Donald Trump Presidency discussion Thread VI

everlast75

https://twitter.com/maggieNYT/status/1177748496616701954?s=19

Trump was interested in Trump Tower being built, Russia knew and Trump lied publicly about it. That leaves him open to blackmail.

Trump acknowledges to Russians that Russia helped him win the election, Russia obviously knows and Trump lied publicly about it. That leaves him open to blackmail.

What the hell happened to Crossfire Hurricane, the counterintelligence operation with Trump at the centre?

And if these docs existed in this server, how the hell did Mueller not get to see them?

banie01

Igotadose wrote: »

Pointless to look into the Trump Foundation. It did very little and was closed down by the authorities.

Which is precisely IMO why it is important

Didn't run very long, did very little and was recognised, condemned and closed as being basically a Trump slush/vanity fund.

He wasn't smart to milk a charitable foundation he controlled without being found out.

How long has the Clinton foundation run without similar intervention, or court ordered winding up?

It really is a valid point of comparison IMO.

Now granted, I'm not expecting any of the Threads resident Trumpians to lay out why no sanction has been taken against Hilary when Trump has been found wanting at every regulatory level that has reviewed him.

Is it just that Hilary is a better crook?
If the system is corrupt, why would anyone want someone who is quite clearly shít at being corrupt?
Who's effort to drain the swamp are a transparent attempt to replace the centres of grift?
Versus someone who seems to be so good at the US version of Political corruption that she has yet to be actually indicted, or convicted?

Igotadose

banie01 wrote: »

Which is precisely IMO why it is important

Didn't run very long, did very little and was recognised, condemned and closed as being basically a Trump slush/vanity fund.

He wasn't smart to milk a charitable foundation he controlled without being found out.

How long has the Clinton foundation run without similar intervention, or court ordered winding up?

22 years as of 2019. Started in 1997.

It really is a valid point of comparison IMO.

Now granted, I'm not expecting any of the Threads resident Trumpians to lay out why no sanction has been taken against Hilary when Trump has been found wanting at every regulatory level that has reviewed him.

Is it just that Hilary is a better crook?
If the system is corrupt, why would anyone want someone who is quite clearly shít at being corrupt?
Who's effort to drain the swamp are a transparent attempt to replace the centres of grift?
Versus someone who seems to be so good at the US version of Political corruption that she has yet to be actually indicted, or convicted?

Well, Trump has, pretty much since before being sworn in, to not be able to pick good people and this is reaching some sort of peak with Ukrainegate - their attempt at transparency instead is, basically, airing all the dirty laundry and hoping they can bluster through it.

HRC is corrupt, but perhaps the best way to describe it, is she's corrupt within the legal limits on corruption. She got big $$ to speak at Goldman Sachs conferences. She, like Obama before her, would've been moderate Republicans a generation ago. Pro business, not terribly pro-consumer, and 'big achievements' were very pro-business (ppACA.)

Trump's old-fashioned corrupt. Takes money from whoever whenever as much as he can, and since he believes he's above the law, believes himself immune to consequences. But, it may be he painted himself into enough of a corner that he's finally going to suffer some consequences.

listermint

I'd say trump defenders have used quid pro quo more times in the last 4 days than has been said in the terms history.

Delightful

banie01

Igotadose wrote: »

22 years as of 2019. Started in 1997.


Well, Trump has, pretty much since before being sworn in, to not be able to pick good people and this is reaching some sort of peak with Ukrainegate - their attempt at transparency instead is, basically, airing all the dirty laundry and hoping they can bluster through it.

HRC is corrupt, but perhaps the best way to describe it, is she's corrupt within the legal limits on corruption. She got big $$ to speak at Goldman Sachs conferences. She, like Obama before her, would've been moderate Republicans a generation ago. Pro business, not terribly pro-consumer, and 'big achievements' were very pro-business (ppACA.)

Trump's old-fashioned corrupt. Takes money from whoever whenever as much as he can, and since he believes he's above the law, believes himself immune to consequences. But, it may be he painted himself into enough of a corner that he's finally going to suffer some consequences.

My rhetoric was lost!
Dammit IGD...
You ruined it :P

amandstu

everlast75 wrote: »

And if these docs existed in this server, how the hell did Mueller not get to see them?

Seems a very good question.

amandstu

Being discussed elsewhere
https://twitter.com/lilbobby37/status/1177898072837373952

Igotadose

Sky news live youtube said exclusive interview with Rudy coming up

Stacksofwacks

Igotadose wrote: »

Sky news live youtube said exclusive interview with Rudy coming up

If he was any kind of sane human he would keep his mouth shut. That Trump surrounds himself with these kind of Limelight seeking weirdos tells its own story..anyway he'll be in jail soon enough so he might aswell spill the beans

duploelabs

Stacksofwacks wrote: »

If he was any kind of sane human he would keep his mouth shut. That Trump surrounds himself with these kind of Limelight seeking weirdos tells its own story..anyway he'll be in jail soon enough so he might aswell spill the beans

Trump's team often play the Rudi card to control the narrative, well I use the word 'control' in its broadest sense. He pours a liquid on the fire, that liquid could be petrol or water, who knows but it usually ends up with people talking about what he said, which in turn directs to focus away

Stacksofwacks

duploelabs wrote: »

Trump's team often play the Rudi card to control the narrative, well I use the word 'control' in its broadest sense. He pours a liquid on the fire, that liquid could be petrol or water, who knows but it usually ends up with people talking about what he said, which in turn directs to focus away

I dont think this administration is that sophisticated, or has any plan or tactics at all, besides what random conspiratorial thing that may come into Trumps mind at any given time. It just reacts to whatever disastrous events as they pop up, usually with awful results. Its a dumpster fire regime, if it wasnt then they wouldnt be under impeachment

Outlaw Pete

Stacksofwacks wrote: »

I'm not interested in your crazy posts..

Then why quote them.

....you've lost your mind, you need to check yourself in and get help somewhere

Ad hominem nonsense, the story was inaccurate, hence the NYT editing it. If you have an argument against something I wrote in the post you quoted, let's hear it.

Christy42

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

You post grossly inaccurate / deliberately false news reports and when a user points that out, you label that as them 'grasping at straws'?? Ha.

Funny how you are all mad keen to keep posting stories which suggest Trump is guilty of quid pro quos ven when there is little or no evidence to back these allegations up, but when a democrat politician who it certainly appears did engage in a quid pro quo (and where there is even footage of him admitting to doing so) the reaction is 'nothing to see here' and generally just crickets in response.

Which tells me that all the outrage we are seeing at the mere possibility that Trump was guilty of a quid pro quo (with the MSM backing it up and joining in on the mass pearl clutching) is fake and motive driven, as if it wasn't, then there would be a similar reaction, or even a somewhat closer reaction, to the fact that a politician admitted in public that when they were Vice-President of the United States they used the granting of a billion dollar loan as leverage to ensure that a prosecutor within a foreign country was fired. One can only imagine the reaction if footage was released of Trump laughing his ass off at withholdng such an approved payment before a prosecutor was fired in the Ukraine ... especially if that prosecutor had been investigating a company that had made Don jnr rich.

When did Pay to play become quid pro quo? I remember pay to play being the far more frequent phrase when people were trying to accuse others of this crime.

Why did the name change now that it is a Republican being accused of it?

Biden does not admit pay to play. The prosecutor he is talking about had a reputation for being corrupt. The IMF also pushed for this.https://www.nytimes.com/2016/03/30/world/europe/political-stability-in-the-balance-as-ukraine-ousts-top-prosecutor.html

If anything Biden put his son in further legal danger by removing a prosecutor who would never have convicted them.

duploelabs

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

Then why quote them.



Ad hominem nonsense, the story was inaccurate, hence the NYT editing it. If you have an argument against something I wrote in the post you quoted, let's hear it.

Hey Pete, third time of asking. What's your view on the white house moving non classified transcripts of phone calls to a code word secured server? What do you think they're trying to hide?

Outlaw Pete

Great to see that despite all that Trump has to contend with, with regards to the nonsense calls for his impeachment, accusations he's racist, losing his mind etc, he's just getting on with doing his best to run the country and his base love him for it.


https://twitter.com/thehill/status/1177796573654376448

duploelabs

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

Great to see that despite all that Trump has to contend with, with regards to the nonsense calls for his impeachment, accusations he's racist, losing his mind etc, he's just getting on with doing his best to run the country and his base love him for it.


https://twitter.com/thehill/status/1177796573654376448

They certainly mindlessly lap up anything their golden god spews, tell me again how he's such an honest joe when he has to hide normal conversations from world leaders, why do you think that is?

amandstu

duploelabs wrote: »

They certainly mindlessly lap up anything their golden god spews, tell me again how he's such an honest joe when he has to hide normal conversations from world leaders, why do you think that is?

You shouldn't ask impertinent question about the Great Leader.

Obviously all his conversations have to be given very special treatment and saved for posterity . I expect these recordings are destined for his MASSOLEUM (although I didn't mention that as of course he will be with us always)

duploelabs

amandstu wrote: »

You shouldn't ask impertinent question about the Great Leader.

Obviously all his conversations have to be given very special treatment and saved for posterity . I expect these recordings are destined for his mausoleum (although I didn't mention that as of course he will be with us always)

Seems commander in bone spurs has all bravery of his supporters when challenged, you'd think that someone who proclaims to know the real truth would be able to answer all questions. All the spine of a jellyfish

Quin_Dub

amandstu wrote: »

You shouldn't ask impertinent question about the Great Leader.

duploelabs wrote: »

Seems commander in bone spurs has all bravery of his supporters when challenged, you'd think that someone who proclaims to know the real truth would be able to answer all questions. All the spine of a jellyfish

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duploelabs

Pompeo is subpoenaed

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-49860079

everlast75

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

he's just getting on with doing his best to run the country

Run.... or ruin?

The deficit is through the roof, he is losing a trade war with china and had to bail out farmers, he makes a show of himself and the U.S. on the world stage, he's creating enemies, pushing allies away, exposing himself to blackmail through absolute stupidity and operating the country like one of his defunct companies.

When he is removed/resigns or beaten, the sad part about it is his followers will still believe every single person in the world is wrong, and Trump is right.

26000 Elephants

everlast75 wrote: »

When he is removed/resigns or beaten, the sad part about it is his followers will still believe every single person in the world is wrong, and Trump is right.

And they will still be screaming "Buttery Males!", whoever they are.

PropJoe10

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

Great to see that despite all that Trump has to contend with, with regards to the nonsense calls for his impeachment, accusations he's racist, losing his mind etc, he's just getting on with doing his best to run the country and his base love him for it.


https://twitter.com/thehill/status/1177796573654376448

Does his "best" include the racist attack today on Schiff, Nadler and the three women that told to go back to their own country? Interested to hear your take on that.

duploelabs

PropJoe10 wrote: »

Does his "best" include the racist attack today on Schiff, Nadler and the three women that told to go back to their own country? Interested to hear your take on that.

Don't bother, he just scrapers when challenged. Useless poster

Water John

Wondered why WH released the edit transcript? Looks like McConnell pushed for it. Now that's interesting.
If Fox moves away from him, and looks like they might, he's toast. The extreme presenters they have are losing sponsors.

aloyisious

I see that Kurt Volker the now retired special envoy is being called Don's special envoy and not a State Dept envoy, despite my initial understanding that it was the State Dept he retired from. If he's a direct link to Don in what the Admin was trying to arrange with Ukraine's Govt, it's understandable as to why he's named in the whistle-blowers report and the related W/H "recollected" summary, too high a profile to hide.

It may be why Rudy is saying he got instruction texts from the State on what to do, trying to distract people from Volker being Don's special envoy and not an actual State Dep't staffer but some-one [like Rudy] tasked by Don to act solely for him in Ukraine.

aloyisious

Water John wrote: »

Wondered why WH released the edit transcript? Looks like McConnell pushed for it. Now that's interesting.
If Fox moves away from him, and looks like they might, he's toast. The extreme presenters they have are losing sponsors.

Maybe Mitch was genuinely kept out of the loop in the delay on the forwarding of the Senate funds to Ukraine and it's not just a plausible denial story to protect him from fallout. It might be a way for Mitch to part company legitimately with Don and keep up the appearance that he is genuinely running the GOP interests in the senate.

Water John

McConnell would be sharp and probably has already assessed, it's too hot to handle. He doesn't care who's in the WH to implement right wing GOP policy. Pence, if he escapes will do fine.

duploelabs

Water John wrote: »

McConnell would be sharp and probably has already assessed, it's too hot to handle. He doesn't care who's in the WH to implement right wing GOP policy. Pence, if he escapes will do fine.

Pence will be subpoenaed given what Trump said about his calls

Ludo

duploelabs wrote: »

Pence will be subpoenaed given what Trump said about his calls

Might be subpoenad but that is fine. As unlikely as it is that they will remove Trump, there is no way on earth that both Trump and Pence will be taken out by this as that would create President Pelosi.