Donald Trump Presidency discussion Thread VI

everlast75

Itssoeasy wrote: »

NBC news has breaking news saying that chief of staff mick Mulvaney has acknowledged that trump held up aid to Ukraine for political reasons. I mean can we now stop the messing ? The call speaks for itself and trump has been caught doing something he shouldn’t have been doing

Someone had a word in Mick's ear...


https://twitter.com/mkraju/status/1184951595613806592?s=19

Overheal

everlast75 wrote: »

Someone had a word in Mick's ear...


https://twitter.com/mkraju/status/1184951595613806592?s=19

Mulvaney will be cross-examined by the press corp - assuming he doesn't go into a bunker somewhere for a while

Water John

Sorry Mick we have you on tape. We all heard you, what you said and did not say.

Overheal

Water John wrote: »

Sorry Mick we have you on tape. We all heard you, what you said and did not say.

The base doesn't care: they will flog that tweet/that quote like a dead horse. Look at how Outlaw Pete keeps singing there's no QPQ because of Sondland's 'hide the bodies' text where he tried to exculpate himself and Trump.

Water John

The Trump base are not what counts. It's the other Americans are being fought for and they total about 70%.

Overheal

Water John wrote: »

The Trump base are not what counts. It's the other Americans are being fought for and they total about 70%.

They don't see it that way: they just need to divide and conquer that 70% so they don't show up for the other turd sandwich candidate. Republicans do not win elections often these days with high turnout.

aloyisious

Looking back at the events on the 9th, Don sends his letter to Erdogan and then Erdogan sends his forces into Syria. I got the read from the BBC reporter this morning that Erdogan was angered by the letter and ordered the invasion in response.

After the ceasefire deal done today, I'm reading the events differently. Why did Don send a letter to Erdogan asking him to consider his reputation if he did not know that Erdogan was going to invade Syria. My read now is that Erdogan had his forces ready to go at the border with Don in the know so he send's the letter in a cynical move to make himself look the peacemaker and has the two Mikes ready to go after the invasion. He even has the gall to make himself look a part-victim of a Turkish thug by having to pull out US ground forces because of the invasion and a shooting-close incident by Turkish Forces, highlighting the reported incident in the media to boot.

There are US forces on both sides of the Syria/Turkish border with an embassy on the Turkish side with all its staff on good terms with their counterparts in the Turkish Govt agencies so the notion that Don and his admin agencies at home were blindsided by the invasion doesn't ring true.

At the start of the ceasefire, Erdogan has what he wanted, a zone partly cleared of Kurds with them to pull out of it fully, the agreement to it by the Syrian Alliance force general who has the Kurds under his command, the apparent agreement to it by the actual Syrian Govt and its forces who advanced [slowly] to "engage" with the invader as the Syrian Govt put it but without exchanging fire with the Turks who remain on the ground in the invaded area. The Turkish foreign minister issues a statement that it is not a ceasefire, something that would scupper a deal if it was taken at face value. Pardon me for being cynical but it smells of a scripted stage-play with the dead the only ones not aware of the script.

Coincidentally today, on the arrival of the two Mikes, a deal is done almost instantly [despite Erdogan saying in advance that he would talk only to Don and NOT to Pence] and the Beeb reporter is online to the world explaining what happened after Don sent his letter to Erdogan, before Pence had even landed in Turkey.

If both Mikes fly home tomorrow without any need to stay at least 2 days to ensure everything related to the ceasefire is signed up and tickety-boo, I'll see that as a clincher. The statement from Senator Romney [R] slamming Don in respect of his pullout of US forces makes me think he sees through the smokescreen of the script we are supposed to believe except he can't say it as it'll be a godsend to Don.

26000 Elephants

Cody montana wrote: »

It's his worst week since last week.

At this point, a simple formula will suffice:

trumpsWorstWeek = trumpsLastWorstWeek + thisWeek

Outlaw Pete

Overheal wrote: »

The base doesn't care ... Look at how Outlaw Pete ..

Morning, flattered that I'm in your thoughts so much but I'm afraid you're wrong, once again, as all I care about is the truth and also what's right, little else my friend, and whenever Trump does something which I feel is wrong, I have (and have had) absolutely no trouble making it known. A few examples...

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

Disgraceful that he's revoked that order and would certainly be interested in hearing him, or the secretary of defense, challenged on it.

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

... I don't think Trump should be publically saying he thinks Biden and his son are corrupt ..

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

Strong words from Lindsey here, have to say he makes a lot of sense, what the hell is Trump thinking.

So quit implying that anyone who corrects inaccuracies and lies posted about Trump, would in fact defend him no matter what he did or said, as that's 24 carat rubbish.

...keeps singing there's no QPQ because of Sondland's 'hide the bodies' text where he tried to exculpate himself and Trump.

This is a Schiffism, as you're using an inherently nefarious term ('hide the bodies') when referring to Sondland's text, in much the same way Schiff did when he described the Trump-Zelensky call as a 'mafia like shakedown' - and the reason for doing that is obvious ... because if you were to just refer to either event using only words which were actually used at the time within either, that wouldn't result in the listener then inferring that something untoward had been said. Someone has to be manipulated first in order for that to occur you see, hence the overdramatic 'hide the bodies' tag and with some that kind of thing works. CNN viewers are particularly prone to it.

As to this Mulvaney chap's presser which seems to have everyone all exited, I haven't had a chance to watch it as of yet.

26000 Elephants

"You got to let them fight: like two kids in a lot, you got to let them fight it out"

This was Trumps justification for his betrayal of the Kurds. Said during a rally last night.

It could also be his strategy against mass shootings at schools, it's hard to tell.

Christy42

26000 Elephants wrote: »

"You got to let them fight: like two kids in a lot, you got to let them fight it out"

This was Trumps justification for his betrayal of the Kurds. Said during a rally last night.

It could also be his strategy against mass shootings at schools, it's hard to tell.

So he admits he knew about the incoming invasion when he made the decision to withdraw. Interesting to see how they spin his role in this massacre now.

I mean it was obvious to everyone what would happen and presumably someone told him this since he might not have copped it.

Christy42

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/oct/17/g7-trump-miami-doral-resort-venue-next-summit

Speaking of corruption a Trump golf course has been selected as the next venue for the G7.

What a totally crazy happenstance after what I am sure was a fair review of all possible locations.

He doesn't even try to hide the corruption anymore. What is the point. His fans won't care and Rob money from their taxes while they cheer him on for it.

26000 Elephants

Christy42 wrote: »

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/oct/17/g7-trump-miami-doral-resort-venue-next-summit

Speaking of corruption a Trump golf course has been selected as the next venue for the G7.

What a totally crazy happenstance after what I am sure was a fair review of all possible locations.

He doesn't even try to hide the corruption anymore. What is the point. His fans won't care and Rob money from their taxes while they cheer him on for it.

Yeah, we had a clip posted earlier where even Fox news were railing against this - that funny judge guy was pretty unequivocal that this falls under the emoluments clause.

Murdoch is definitely getting ready to jettison Trump and his enablers.

Christy42

26000 Elephants wrote: »

Yeah, we had a clip posted earlier where even Fox news were railing against this - that funny judge guy was pretty unequivocal that this falls under the emoluments clause.

Murdoch is definitely getting ready to jettison Trump and his enablers.

Ah sorry. Hadn't realised it was a repost. Been busy and have started missing the odd page here and there.

everlast75

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

As to this Mulvaney chap's presser which seems to have everyone all exited, I haven't had a chance to watch it as of yet.

Ah, the ould Arsene Wenger approach to a question about one of his players fouling someone and giving away a penalty. Classic!

PS - love the "That chap" reference. What next - he was merely a covfefe boy?

duploelabs

Christy42 wrote: »

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/oct/17/g7-trump-miami-doral-resort-venue-next-summit

Speaking of corruption a Trump golf course has been selected as the next venue for the G7.

What a totally crazy happenstance after what I am sure was a fair review of all possible locations.

He doesn't even try to hide the corruption anymore. What is the point. His fans won't care and Rob money from their taxes while they cheer him on for it.

Trump is clearly in the 'stuff the silverware in his pockets before he's ejected' mode

FrostyJack

Outlaw Pete wrote:

This is a Schiffism, as you're using an inherently nefarious term ('hide the bodies') when referring to Sondland's text, in much the same way Schiff did when he described the Trump-Zelensky call as a 'mafia like shakedown' - and the reason for doing that is obvious ... because if you were to just refer to either event using only words which were actually used at the time within either, that wouldn't result in the listener then inferring that something untoward had been said. Someone has to be manipulated first in order for that to occur you see, hence the overdramatic 'hide the bodies' tag and with some that kind of thing works. CNN viewers are particularly prone to it.

The GOP and Trump are masters of this for years, "death panels", "crooked Hillary" and the likes. Every single thing they critise the Dems for they put a spin on it. 'Unpresidential" tanned suits, "socialist" tax policy etc. It is amazing that you called it a Schiffism, but I suppose if you are only looking for negatives from one side you might miss that.

looksee

Quote:
Originally Posted by Outlaw Pete
... I don't think Trump should be publically saying he thinks Biden and his son are corrupt ..

Originally Posted by Outlaw Pete
Biden is not above the law and while I don't think Trump should be publically saying he thinks Biden and his son are corrupt (although the Nikelback tweet was funny) there is absolutely nothing wrong with a POTUS asking the president of the Ukraine to investigate reports of corruption involving both their countries, and especially so when someone who was a member of the last administration has in the interim spoke publicly about how when they were Vice-President they threatened to withhold $1billion in approved US aid from that country unless they got rid of one of their prosecutors.

Yes, you did express some/a little/mild disapproval of Trump's comment, but then...

biko

French reporter: "You have a very low unemployment rate in the US, and we have a very unemployment rate in France. How come? What's the recipe for --"

President Trump: "Well maybe we have a better president than you do."

https://twitter.com/thehill/status/1185028756089556992/video/1

rossie1977

French unemployment rate was 9.5% when Macron was elected more than double the US unemployment rate of 4.7% when Trump got elected

everlast75

biko wrote: »

French reporter: "You have a very low unemployment rate in the US, and we have a very unemployment rate in France. How come? What's the recipe for --"

President Trump: "Well maybe we have a better president than you do."

https://twitter.com/thehill/status/1185028756089556992/video/1

I don't think the French president is being impeached....

Igotadose

Some ceasefire: https://apnews.com/861d1b2de7c041afa84ad593a6bcefa5

Fighting in Kurdish-held Syrian town despite cease-fire

Stallingrad

The US has zero foreign policy credibility any more, no-one trusts them or believes a word they say, this is even before the Kurds were thrown under the bus. I'd say Erdogan told Pence what he wanted to hear, without any intention of easing up on the invasion.

When you campaign under the banner 'America First' you send out the green light to despots everywhere. Turkey First, NK First, SA First, etc, why should they care if the US doesn't?

Someone here, unbelievably, said a while back:

"I don't see how debasing the office of the presidency affects anyone for example."

This latest tragedy is just another example oh how debasing the Presidency effects people.

everlast75

Igotadose wrote: »

Some ceasefire: https://apnews.com/861d1b2de7c041afa84ad593a6bcefa5

Fighting in Kurdish-held Syrian town despite cease-fire

The response from Erdogan was quite something...


https://twitter.com/BBCJonSopel/status/1185173924155404288?s=20

Meanwhile, here is a former Turkish Ambassador to the US' take on it.

https://twitter.com/NamikTan/status/1185060253458714625?s=20


Do you remember when Trump said people were laughing at the US, and now he is in charge, they won't?

Overheal

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

This is a Schiffism,

Oh spare me your pearl clutching.

"PRESIDENTIAL HARASSMENT"

"WITCH HUNT"

"NO PRESIDENT HAS BEEN TREATED WORSE!"

"COUP!"

"WAR!"

etc.

You're intelligent enough to know what I'm referring to. Anyone reading that text can see a clear attempt to exculpate a crime.

Stallingrad

Well this is depressing.

pixelburp

All this was coming, it had to have been. We chortled and put our heads in our hands as Trump floundered and made a show of himself in front of the cameras at various Summits, but ultimately it was harmless stuff. Meanwhile, seasoned politicians and leaders kept quiet, observed, and took notes. As a user said pages back, the world kept spinning. Well here is where the lunacy comes to fruition.

And of course, Erdogen is no shrinking violet himself; he's exactly the kind of strongman Trump has seemed to admire in the past, but critically only one of those two either knows - or chooses to know - how the game of geopolitics is played. Not that it isn't plain as day by now, and ultimately I'm just repeating myself, but Trump is so woefully out of his depth, his one strategy played out and easily dodged it's beyond amusing - it's plain pathetic to watch. It's route-one politicking; a noisy rank amateur swinging big while the dab hands circle and dodge Trumps braggadocio.

What's equally amusing is that the Ukraine's own leader - that country now potentially central in Trumps downfall - is a novice himself, and while I know nothing of Volodymyr Zelensky beyond being an actor (who once played a teacher who becomes president of the Ukraine!), he can't be floundering anymore than his American equivalent. In fact it's unlikely, given that by and large comedians tend to be very intelligent, learned people. The best people, you could say.

Outside of an actual war, this is probably Trumps biggest test of his geopolitical credentials, and he has failed. Spectacularly. A bone headed move that'll cost lives and further upend an entire region, then gets conned into a "ceasefire" already shown to be barely that. His bullish, empty vulgarity might work as a two-bit real estate magnate in NY, but out in the world where stupid decision cost lives, he's getting shown to be the empty vessel he threatened to be.

26000 Elephants

everlast75 wrote: »

The response from Erdogan was quite something...


https://twitter.com/BBCJonSopel/status/1185173924155404288?s=20

Meanwhile, here is a former Turkish Ambassador to the US' take on it.

https://twitter.com/NamikTan/status/1185060253458714625?s=20


Do you remember when Trump said people were laughing at the US, and now he is in charge, they won't?

We should remember, as Outlaw Pete pointed out, that it's all about SCHIFFISM.

The US is being roundly humiliated on the international stage, but ..... Schiffism.


On the Moodys prediction:
Give me a break! Moodys are for hire. During the lead up to the 2007 crisis, Moodys were bigging up the market in response to their biggest clients- the Banks. If its within the remit of Robert Mercer to get that clown elected President, it's well within his means to swing a Moodys Media Soundbite.

It's all part of the con.

Itssoeasy

everlast75 wrote: »

I don't think the French president is being impeached....

Can a French President be impeached ?

Brian?

Itssoeasy wrote: »

Can a French President be impeached ?

I believe they can be recalled by popular vote, not that it’s ever happened.


Edit: scratch that. They can be impeached by the parliament or high court.