Donald Trump Presidency discussion Thread VI

Outlaw Pete

Great to see the Durham investigation turn into a criminal inquiry, the evidence required it and now those that have been ducking and diving him will no doubt get subpoenaed. Certain officials in Obama's DOJ felt they were above the law and are about to find out they are not. The public were fed lies about a Trump-Russia collusion and meanwhile the real corruption went unaddressed and was largely labelled a conspiracy theory thanks to the mainstream media that had little appetite but for those which were negative about Donald Trump. They enabled these people that are about to have their day of reckoning.


I see Joe Biden was lying about the POTUS again last night and of course yet more accusations he's a racist.


https://twitter.com/TrumpWarRoom/status/1187388186831532032

amandstu

What is/are the best strategy/ies for informing /persuading the electorate in the States of the wrongness of this regime?

I go with raising awareness of its actions against combating mam made climate change but I wonder if it is the most effective since time is short and if Trump is able to get elected he may not be able to be prosecuted for his (well some of his ) crimes owing to the statute of limitations kicking in during a second term.

weisses

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

Great to see the Durham investigation turn into a criminal inquiry, the evidence required it and now those that have been ducking and diving him will no doubt get subpoenaed. Certain officials in Obama's DOJ felt they were above the law and are about to find out they are not. The public were fed lies about a Trump-Russia collusion and meanwhile the real corruption went unaddressed and was largely labelled a conspiracy theory thanks to the mainstream media that had little appetite but for those which were negative about Donald Trump. They enabled these people that are about to have their day of reckoning.


I see Joe Biden was lying about the POTUS again last night and of course yet more accusations he's a racist.


https://twitter.com/TrumpWarRoom/status/1187388186831532032

Poor Joe is fighting a battle he cannot win

score is Donald 12000 Joe 1

Christy42

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

Great to see the Durham investigation turn into a criminal inquiry, the evidence required it and now those that have been ducking and diving him will no doubt get subpoenaed. Certain officials in Obama's DOJ felt they were above the law and are about to find out they are not. The public were fed lies about a Trump-Russia collusion and meanwhile the real corruption went unaddressed and was largely labelled a conspiracy theory thanks to the mainstream media that had little appetite but for those which were negative about Donald Trump. They enabled these people that are about to have their day of reckoning.


I see Joe Biden was lying about the POTUS again last night and of course yet more accusations he's a racist.


https://twitter.com/TrumpWarRoom/status/1187388186831532032

Stating Trump is a racist is more of a fact these than an accusation.

Birther nonsense, accusing people of not being from America due to skin colour (Obama and most of the squad).

There are many more examples but that seems proof enough.

Real corruption? The man tried to hold the G7 at his golf course so his company could earn more money! How blatant do you need his corruption (or attempted corruption in that case) do you need it to be? How much public funding has gone into Maro Lago now? We now have officials stating that his dealings with the Ukraine were pay for play. A massive amount of his high ranking associates are in jail. Any of them innocent?

As for lies on Russia. I still want proof that Russia was not involved. Trump promised it would come in a few weeks. That was in 2017. Why did he promise if he didn't have it?

26000 Elephants

weisses wrote: »

Poor Joe is fighting a battle he cannot win

Joe isn't sweating this low wattage effort: With the brightest and best of the US diplomatic and intelligent services lining up to do their duty towards jailing Trump, you will need to do better.

aloyisious

Manic Moran wrote: »

Interesting OpEd piece on CNN right now from a former Special Forces chap whose wife was killed on deployment in Syria.
https://www.cnn.com/2019/10/24/opinions/syria-kurds-trump-withdrawal-kent/index.html
Can't exactly say he's wrong.

As to the Republicans storming the SCIF, I'm not sure who thought that would be a good idea.

As strategic military plans go, you're right. Don clearly is opposed to US boots, as distinct from weapons, on or over the battlefront. As for the political strategic view, its best seen through the eyes of Von Clausewitz. Don doesn't seem to go along with that theorem, why he sacked Bolton. One probable long term eventuality will be when Iran and Russia fall out over the spoils and start fighting each other through their proxies on the ground. If it went a stage further and national forces got into face-to-face fights an end-game battle might begin. Its interesting to see Russia putting its MP vehicles most visibly on the ground first, regardless of who's actually inside them.

Local side issues: Russia wont give its temporary partner Iran what it want technology-wise, given the religious bias both leaders have, so those bones of contention wil be in the background, same as between US and Iran. Russia won't like the developing relationship between Turkey and some Balkan countries as that involves Turkey using Syrian territory for its own purposes, not just against the Kurds. The Russians will eventually begin using the Kurds in the region to keep the [internal Islamic religious row] pot simmering: Pax Russia instead of Pax USA.

The storming the gates was stupid "we want to hear what going on" with the courts [USSC] available, which goes to show the GOP knows it'll lose there [even with its supposed stacked rack]. It was a media-show, pure and simple.
The GOP won't even go to the USSC to shut down the hearings on the grounds of the committees being party-biased, which shows how Nancy is right to go the subpoena route, even for volunteer witnesses [tick all the boxes]. It'd be interesting to see if the Dems moved a contempt of congress motion against them in the house and use the house ethics committee to punish the idiots.

Overheal

Manic Moran wrote: »

Interesting OpEd piece on CNN right now from a former Special Forces chap whose wife was killed on deployment in Syria.
https://www.cnn.com/2019/10/24/opinions/syria-kurds-trump-withdrawal-kent/index.html
Can't exactly say he's wrong.

As to the Republicans storming the SCIF, I'm not sure who thought that would be a good idea.

Group effort, and if I’m being honest it was cooked up most likely in the WH when they all were talking to Trump about the plan last week (it was reportedly pushed back because of Cummings’ death). Conspiracy to commit felonies and the commission of felonies.

Trump probably promised to pardon all of them - they damn well expected the Dems to overreact and throw the whole lot in jail, so Trump could make a big show of pardoning them to own the libs.

Overheal

Quin_Dub wrote: »

And yet , the latest CNN poll shows Trump support among GOP voters remains at 90% with only 6% supporting impeachment and removal at this stage.

That 90% and 6% are the only 2 numbers that matter.

As long as they stay like that , no evidence in the world will make the Senate find him guilty.

Not at all surprising given the campaign of process arguments by republicans. Expect that number to shift when open hearings happen before th judiciary committee in the House - hopefully in about 3 weeks according to lawmakers.

Keep in mind there are still deadlines for the DOJ and State Dept and WH to provide documents or testimony (even if they refuse) while some people early in the inquiry flat out said it was moving too fast to provide the requested documents (stalling of course) so here we are.

aloyisious

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

Great to see the Durham investigation turn into a criminal inquiry, the evidence required it and now those that have been ducking and diving him will no doubt get subpoenaed. Certain officials in Obama's DOJ felt they were above the law and are about to find out they are not. The public were fed lies about a Trump-Russia collusion and meanwhile the real corruption went unaddressed and was largely labelled a conspiracy theory thanks to the mainstream media that had little appetite but for those which were negative about Donald Trump. They enabled these people that are about to have their day of reckoning.


I see Joe Biden was lying about the POTUS again last night and of course yet more accusations he's a racist.


https://twitter.com/TrumpWarRoom/status/1187388186831532032

Just on two related issues: 1. do you think the GOP should go to the USSC and their supposed stacked-deck there to shut down the biased "lynching-party" hearings there on the grounds of party bias, AND 2. if the GOP doesn't do that, what do you believe is the reason for their failure to do so?

Do you perhaps think they know they would lose because they can show the USSC no committee bias, just good legal procedural moves by the committees under the guidance of Nancy, following the house rules?

Quin_Dub

B0jangles wrote: »

But what proportion of the overall voting population are still willing to identify themselves to a pollster as a GOP voter, and is that number increasing or decreasing? As far as I can see, the poll relies on respondents identifying themselves as rep/dem/other voters, and there was a significant gap between self-identified reps and dems:

I can't see how it's a good strategy to alienate the fringes of your own voter base to appease the extremely hardcore.

Well,

The Democrat number are an almost exact inverse with 87% supporting Impeachment and about 3 or 4% thinking Trump is doing a good job.

The Independents are at 50% support for Impeachment so holding the overall average.

That would suggest that the self Identified GOP voters are at least about equal to the self identified Dem Voters , regardless of how many said they were independent

Fundamentally though , absent the few "swing" state GOP Senators , most are in bullet-proof GOP seats so that 90% GOP support number is what matters to them.

You might get the half dozen or so swing-state Senators to vote against him and that's a significant might. But with support number like that , none of the other will shift at all.

In a lot of GOP states , Trumps support levels far exceed the support of the sitting Senator (Graham and McConnell to name two) so there's no way they vote against him , no matter what the evidence shows sadly.

Brian?

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

Great to see the Durham investigation turn into a criminal inquiry, the evidence required it and now those that have been ducking and diving him will no doubt get subpoenaed. Certain officials in Obama's DOJ felt they were above the law and are about to find out they are not. The public were fed lies about a Trump-Russia collusion and meanwhile the real corruption went unaddressed and was largely labelled a conspiracy theory thanks to the mainstream media that had little appetite but for those which were negative about Donald Trump. They enabled these people that are about to have their day of reckoning.


I see Joe Biden was lying about the POTUS again last night and of course yet more accusations he's a racist.


https://twitter.com/TrumpWarRoom/status/1187388186831532032

Hey Pete. What’s your opinion on Trump withholding military aid to Ukraine until they publicly announced an investigation into Biden.

spacecoyote

Quin_Dub wrote: »

Well,

The Democrat number are an almost exact inverse with 87% supporting Impeachment and about 3 or 4% thinking Trump is doing a good job.

The Independents are at 50% support for Impeachment so holding the overall average.

That would suggest that the self Identified GOP voters are at least about equal to the self identified Dem Voters , regardless of how many said they were independent

Fundamentally though , absent the few "swing" state GOP Senators , most are in bullet-proof GOP seats so that 90% GOP support number is what matters to them.

You might get the half dozen or so swing-state Senators to vote against him and that's a significant might. But with support number like that , none of the other will shift at all.

In a lot of GOP states , Trumps support levels far exceed the support of the sitting Senator (Graham and McConnell to name two) so there's no way they vote against him , no matter what the evidence shows sadly.

538 have started, as you would expect then to, a polling tracker for opinions on impeachment:

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/impeachment-polls/?ex_cid=rrpromo

Currently it stands at:

49% Pro Impeachment
43% Anti Impeachment

At the beginning of the month they were breaking even at around 45% each, and prior to that the anti impeachment group was larger.

So, as things stand, and are trending, there is a shift towards the pro impeachment side in all polls

everlast75

Now this is interesting...


https://twitter.com/ShimonPro/status/1187718522430001155?s=20

Overheal

Throwback to when the Obama's going to a broadway show was the worst abuse of the office in US History

https://www.facebook.com/thedailyshow/videos/1267354836779428/

(Trump makes much the same travel arrangements most weekends to go to Mar a Lago, shutting down the city).

https://www.palmbeachdailynews.com/news/20190416/trump-in-palm-beach-traffic-restrictions-announced-for-presidents-expected-visit
https://www.wptv.com/news/region-c-palm-beach-county/flight-restrictions-in-place-for-president-trumps-potential-trip-to-south-florida
https://www.palmbeachdailynews.com/news/traffic/traffic-restrictions-near-mar-lago-set-begin-thursday/AaCmRKXBresqrd3SyPettN/
https://www.sun-sentinel.com/local/palm-beach/92551743-132.html
https://www.townandcountrymag.com/society/politics/a9505/mar-a-lago-donald-during-trump-visit/
https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/style/palm-beach-used-to-be-a-nice-town-for-billionaires-then-trump-came-along/2019/01/08/a14b1708-1049-11e9-84fc-d58c33d6c8c7_story.html
https://www.palmbeachpost.com/news/20190306/trump-in-palm-beach-traffic-restrictions-to-begin-at-5-am-friday-ahead-of-expected-visit

And I wonder how many 45 minute delays he's caused in NYC

https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/2017/01/25/commander--congestiontrump-tower-security-slowed-traffic-crawl/97003146/

Manic Moran

listermint wrote: »

Husband of soldier killed in operation has opinion on operations...


Sorry manic but this story is as old as time , maybe gender reversed.

I think you've said it yourself that it's part of the job. And you don't have to agree with deployments. The notion trump was right in pulling this maneuver has no support anywhere. And I'm surprised ... Actually not surprised you agree with it. Trump.. after all


We all know as do you it was done to create a new news source for deflection from his problems. It had the added bonus of assistanting his supporters outside the US we all know the ones.


This fella is tearing apart the fabric of the US and your own armed forces standing and capabilities yet you still don't look at his actions rationally.


Just
...... Beyond belief.

Usually the arguments work the other way. "Make her sacrifice mean something, don't pull out after all this".

Who says I'm not looking at the actions rationally? What is the purpose of US forces in Syria? Can we achieve those goals? If there is no clear answer to the first, and no affirmative answer to the second, we should not be there. End of story. What's not rational about that? That may or may not be the reasoning behind his actions, but that doesn't make them wrong. For the record, this applies equally to Iraq, Afghanistan, Saudi, Poland, or anywhere else we have been sending troops recently.

This is a separate issue from the on/off actions with respect to US sanctions on Turkey, of which I disapprove (but note that no other countries, be they EU, Arab or anyone else seems to be doing much on that aspect either)

As an aside, on the topic of destabilising NATO, the US is currently in the middle of its largest reinforcement exercise of Europe since the Cold War. About a month ago, there was a snap activation of about 25 reserve transport ships, which hasn't been done since the 1991 war. (Normally, it's four or five at a time). Several brigades have since landed in Europe, mainly in Netherlands and Germany, and have been transported east. It's not quite a Reforger, but old-timers are not missing the parallels.

listermint

Manic Moran wrote: »

Usually the arguments work the other way. "Make her sacrifice mean something, don't pull out after all this".

Who says I'm not looking at the actions rationally? What is the purpose of US forces in Syria? Can we achieve those goals? If there is no clear answer to the first, and no affirmative answer to the second, we should not be there. End of story. What's not rational about that? That may or may not be the reasoning behind his actions, but that doesn't make them wrong. For the record, this applies equally to Iraq, Afghanistan, Saudi, Poland, or anywhere else we have been sending troops recently.

This is a separate issue from the on/off actions with respect to US sanctions on Turkey, of which I disapprove (but note that no other countries, be they EU, Arab or anyone else seems to be doing much on that aspect either)

As an aside, on the topic of destabilising NATO, the US is currently in the middle of its largest reinforcement exercise of Europe since the Cold War. About a month ago, there was a snap activation of about 25 reserve transport ships, which hasn't been done since the 1991 war. (Normally, it's four or five at a time). Several brigades have since landed in Europe, mainly in Netherlands and Germany, and have been transported east. It's not quite a Reforger, but old-timers are not missing the parallels.

What is the purpose of your president putting troops in today to protect Syrian oil fields. Yes the same troops he was supposedly moving out .



Any explanation anything to say about his actions there ?

Rationally. I wonder what the Gold star guy has to say in that

Overheal

Rudy talked out of his ass in a series of butt dials stretching between September and October - to reporters. Dammit Rudy!

10/16/2019 to NBC reporter:

“Is Robert around?” Giuliani asks.

“He’s in Turkey,” the man responds.

Giuliani replies instantly. “The problem is we need some money.”

The two men then go silent. Nine seconds pass. No word is spoken. Then Giuliani chimes in again.

“We need a few hundred thousand,” he says.

It’s unclear what the two men were talking about. But Giuliani is known to have worked closely with a Robert who has ties to Turkey.

His name is Robert Mangas, and he’s a lawyer at the firm Greenberg Traurig LLP, as well as a registered agent of the Turkish government.

Giuliani himself was employed by Greenberg Traurig until about May 2018.

Mangas’s name appears in court documents related to the case of Reza Zarrab, a Turkish gold trader charged in the U.S. with laundering Iranian money in a scheme to evade American sanctions.

9/28/2019

“In the message, Giuliani is heard talking to at least one other person. The conversation appears to pick up almost exactly where Giuliani’s phone call with the reporter left off the day before, with Giuliani insisting he was the target of attacks because he was making public accusations about a powerful Democratic politician.

“I expected it would happen,” Giuliani says at the start of the recording. “The minute you touch on one of the protected people, they go crazy. They come after you.”

“You got the truth on your side,” an unidentified man says.

“It’s very powerful,” Giuliani replies.

Giuliani spends the entire three minutes railing against the Bidens. He can be heard recycling many of the unfounded allegations he has been making on cable news and in interviews with print reporters.

Among the claims: that then-Vice President Biden intervened to stop an investigation of a Ukrainian gas company because Hunter sat on the board, and that Hunter traded on his father’s position as vice president to earn $1.5 billion from Chinese investors.

“There’s plenty more to come out,” Giuliani says. “He did the same thing in China. And he tried to do it in Kazakhstan and in Russia.””

Manic Moran

listermint wrote: »

What is the purpose of your president putting troops in today to protect Syrian oil fields. Yes the same troops he was supposedly moving out .

Any explanation anything to say about his actions there ?

Rationally. I wonder what the Gold star guy has to say in that

The stated objective is to deny ISIS control of the oil fields. That seems like something which actually can be done, and is not without merit.

duploelabs

Overheal wrote: »

Rudy talked out of his ass in a series of butt dials stretching between September and October - to reporters. Dammit Rudy!

10/16/2019 to NBC reporter:



9/28/2019

The fact that he arce dialled him really gives weight to the phrase 'stupid watergate'

everlast75

Overheal wrote: »

Rudy talked out of his ass in a series of butt dials stretching between September and October - to reporters. Dammit Rudy!

10/16/2019 to NBC reporter:



9/28/2019

He wire tapped himself!

Trump truly does know the best people lol

TomOnBoard

I read that the Courts have decided that the hitherto redacted Grand Jury elements of the Mueller Report must be released to the House Committees involved in the impeachment enquiry.

I am confused as to whether this deals with the redactions alone, or all of the evidence given to the GJ. In any event, it's a win for Congress and Constitutional process and another loss for Trump.

The same Court decision clearly agrees that the ongoing impeachment proceedings are entirely legal.

Edit: further reading clarifies the ruling to refer to anything redacted in the report, as well as ANY underlying evidence or presentations to the GJ that reference/underpin the content of such redactions. Now, thats gonna hurt the Don and the DoJ...

aloyisious

TomOnBoard wrote: »

I read that the Courts have decided that the hitherto redacted Grand Jury elements of the Mueller Report must be released to the House Committees involved in the impeachment enquiry.

I am confused as to whether this deals with the redactions alone, or all of the evidence given to the GJ. In any event, it's a win for Congress and Constitutional process and another loss for Trump.

The same Court decision clearly agrees that the ongoing impeachment proceedings are entirely legal.

Edit: further reading clarifies the ruling to refer to anything redacted in the report, as well as ANY underlying evidence or presentations to the GJ that reference/underpin the content of such redactions. Now, thats gonna hurt the Don and the DoJ...

I read it to mean the black-markered out parts so the whole of the printed documents can be read properly and it might just help the committee/s reveal the whole. It might also be the reason why AG Barr wants to sink the Mueller investigation by "investigating" its origins, giving the GOP a reason to shout "we told you it was dirty" before the committee chair reads the document contents into the house record and makes them public. Question is will Barr get much assistance from within DOJ or the FBI, as both will be investigating themselves, and which party get to the revelations start-line first?

Overheal

aloyisious wrote: »

I read it to mean the black-markered out parts so the whole of the printed documents can be read properly and it might just help the committee/s reveal the whole. It might also be the reason why AG Barr wants to sink the Mueller investigation by "investigating" its origins, giving the GOP a reason to shout "we told you it was dirty" before the committee chair reads the document contents into the house record and makes them public. Question is will Barr get much assistance from within DOJ or the FBI, as both will be investigating themselves, and which party get to the revelations start-line first?

Ultimately: they're all mob-heads, and they're all used to mob lawyering. The investigations are a way to impugn so they can get the case against them dismissed.

That may work really well in the lower courts of the justice system: you commit a crime, but the case could still be thrown out because of due process petitions. The problem here is politics though. Here, the public really might not care that the inculpatory evidence didn't become public in the most straightforward way (like.... Hillary's missing emails?????), they do however care to see that public figure thrown into a full inquiry, to separate fact from hearsay.

I guess it really depends on what kind of suspected crimes the Durham probe is now attempting to prosecute: if it's some procedural 'oopsadaisie,' like a FISA warrant maybe expired on Tuesday and was Renewed on Thursday and a bunch of inculpatory evidence was collected on Wednesday, kind of thing - then I don't think that's going to convince anyone to toss out the Mueller report. I don't think they will be able to incriminate Mueller in anything though, for instance, and so his work will still be valid; if there was another Carter Page style situation, I really don't think that should nullify an impeachment (again, a cop, biased against crooks, who finds hard, irrefutable evidence against crooks, should not have their prosecutions nullified by the bias), I do think it would cause all of the evidence related to such a person to be re-examined and cross-examined in the impeachment trial.

Right now it's all about public perception warfare.

Outlaw Pete

Great to see Trump getting the Bipartisan Justice Award for his work on the First Step Act.

Just shows that the narrative which the left, along with the mainstream media, are fixated upon, oftentimes doesn't actually reflect real world America at all.


https://twitter.com/troopsfortrump/status/1187832812503781377

Overheal

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

Great to see Trump getting the Bipartisan Justice Award for his work on the First Step Act.

Just shows that the narrative which the left, along with the mainstream media, are fixated upon, oftentimes doesn't actually reflect real world America at all.


https://twitter.com/troopsfortrump/status/1187832812503781377

Only 7 students were in attendance for the event at Benedict University. In fact secret service basically coordinated to have students largely stay in their dorms. Kamala Harris has withdrawn from the forum. She and Sen. Tim Scott were previous awardees. Oh - and this is an Historically Black College/University (HBCU)

You can see this brewing into a ****storm already. What, exactly, was Trump's involvement with the bill outside of saying "yeah that sounds good" and signing it?

“The campus was closed and streets surrounding the campus were shut down to all vehicle traffic from 1:30 p.m. -3:00 p.m. Faculty, staff, and student who were on campus were asked to stay inside, but if anyone needed to go to work or to another building, it was not problem,” Hunter said.

Snacks were delivered to dorms between 1 p.m. and 2 p.m., Hunter said. Students are no longer being asked to stay in their dorm rooms, Hunter said.

Benedict sophomore Nia Byas also said the campus was on “lockdown.” Other local media outlets have quoted Benedict College students saying they were asked not to leave their dorm rooms during the president’s visit. The State spoke to student protesters who also said they were told to stay in their dorms from 3-4 p.m.

Reese said he understands the need for security, but sees no reason why officials can’t secure a relatively small place like Benedict, compared to the massive venues Trump often speaks at.

Students were largely left out of Trump’s speech, where Trump gave a speech on criminal justice to approximately 300 people, according to a previous article from The State. Roughly 10 of those were students, according to the article.

“Sure, I would love to go to the event,” said Reese, who is neither a supporter nor an opponent of Trump’s. “Just to hear a sitting president, I wouldn’t want to miss that.”

https://www.thestate.com/news/politics-government/politics-columns-blogs/the-buzz/article236652858.html

Media cyclone writes itself: "Kamala Harris plays the race card" "Trump fills event at HBCU with megadonors" "black students confined to quarters for Trump award ceremony" etc. - probably too late for Trump to hold a 'town hall' with students to smooth it over huh? Kamala already seized the moment

aloyisious

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

Great to see Trump getting the Bipartisan Justice Award for his work on the First Step Act.

Just shows that the narrative which the left, along with the mainstream media, are fixated upon, oftentimes doesn't actually reflect real world America at all.


https://twitter.com/troopsfortrump/status/1187832812503781377

He had 20 Republicans and 20 leftie liberals on the stage with him at the award event?

everlast75

Maybe someone who was found to have obstructed justice multiple times should not be awarded any such award. Just my take on things.


Anyhoo, in other election promise news, man who bankrupted multiple business, including a ****ing casino, is bankrupting the Country.

https://twitter.com/byHeatherLong/status/1187790989953585152?s=19

Another fact his supporters choose to ignore/not care about.

Stallingrad

everlast75 wrote: »

Maybe someone who was found to have obstructed justice multiple times should not be awarded any such award. Just my take on things.


Anyhoo, in other election promise news, man who bankrupted multiple business, including a ****ing casino, is bankrupting the Country.

https://twitter.com/byHeatherLong/status/1187790989953585152?s=19

Another fact his supporters choose to ignore/not care about.

But the server and the emails and....

Itssoeasy

The trump family will be costing the us taxpayer more money it seems. Jared and Ivanka are celebrating their ten year anniversary at camp David.

Timberrrrrrrr

Itssoeasy wrote: »

The trump family will be costing the us taxpayer more money it seems. Jared and Ivanka are celebrating their ten year anniversary at camp David.

Instead of his beautiful resorts where he wants to hold G7 summits because camp David wasn't fit for purpose?

Well colour me surprised.