Donald Trump Presidency discussion Thread VI

amandstu

drunkmonkey wrote: »

Out of pocket expenses, nothing close to 1/4 of a million, the real issue is naming his employer, you just can't do that in any job let alone his.

Maybe he should have refered to "defendant no 1" or ,daringly The "President" (or the Godfather?)

Overheal

drunkmonkey wrote: »

Out of pocket expenses, nothing close to 1/4 of a million, the real issue is naming his employer, you just can't do that in any job let alone his.

“Nothing close to a quarter of a million” what is your basis for that?

HBO just won its libel suit from Bob Murray, and despite doing absolutely nothing wrong their legal counsel cost almost that amount. It took 2 years.

A Moose Hunter won in the SCOTUS for the right to use his hoverboat in the Alaskan wilderness, it set him back $1.5M and 8 years.

“Naming his employer?” I don’t follow

Water John

A good place here to wish Jimmy Carter well. His presidency was hampered by events but he has made a great quiet contribution to world affairs over the last 40 years since.

Overheal

amandstu wrote: »

Maybe he should have refered to "defendant no 1" or ,daringly The "President" (or the Godfather?)

Individual 1 and Unindicted Coconspirator are also legally and judicially applicable.

Itssoeasy

Water John wrote: »

A good place here to wish Jimmy Carter well. His presidency was hampered by events but he has made a great quiet contribution to world affairs over the last 40 years since.

And from interviews I've watched of him, he seem a unbelievably genuine person. I think if he'd been in different time in history he'd have possibly been a two term president. It was just unfortunate when he became president and I doubt any democrat was stopping Reagan in 1980 from my reading of it.

Overheal

SPLC has obtained some [trigger warning]

”dirt”

on Stephen Miller which demonstrates his white nationalist views

https://www.splcenter.org/hatewatch/2019/11/12/stephen-millers-affinity-white-nationalism-revealed-leaked-emails

everlast75

https://twitter.com/davidjoachim/status/1194289465503764480?s=19

Wait a second!!!! Shouldn't they be looking in the Ukraine????

Overheal

everlast75 wrote: »

https://twitter.com/davidjoachim/status/1194289465503764480?s=19

Wait a second!!!! Shouldn't they be looking in the Ukraine????

Obviously that’s the deep state not the real state duh

drunkmonkey

Overheal wrote: »

“Nothing close to a quarter of a million”
“Naming his employer?” I don’t follow

He's testifying some hearsay why do you think he'll have millions in legal costs, the libel case that may follow?

As for stating he's a US intelligence officer. Think of it like this, A whistleblower appears about Pascal with a tort of carbon tax avoidence, an employee of the revenue commissioner starts up a go fund me page and states that he is looking for funding for the legal case to follow and states he works for the revenue. He puts 20k of his raised 200k towards his legal costs and spends the rest on administration costs. He does not pay tax on the gain as there all small gifts, €10 etc.
You see nothing unusual in that scenario, it's basically what the claim is.

everlast75

drunkmonkey wrote: »

He's testifying some hearsay why do you think he'll have millions in legal costs, the libel case that may follow?

As for stating he's a US intelligence officer. Think of it like this, A whistleblower appears about Pascal with a tort of carbon tax avoidence, an employee of the revenue commissioner starts up a go fund me page and states that he is looking for funding for the legal case to follow and states he works for the revenue. He puts 20k of his raised 200k towards his legal costs and spends the rest on administration costs. He does not pay tax on the gain as there all small gifts, €10 etc.
You see nothing unusual in that scenario, it's basically what the claim is.

I don't follow.

Are you saying you think he *should* testify?.

PropJoe10

Water John wrote: »

A good place here to wish Jimmy Carter well. His presidency was hampered by events but he has made a great quiet contribution to world affairs over the last 40 years since.

Jimmy Carter is a lovely man. I wish him the best.

drunkmonkey

everlast75 wrote: »

I don't follow.

Are you saying you think he *should* testify?.

I think it's against the terms of his employment and he also tried to make financial gain on the back of a political agenda in an ongoing legal action.

Overheal

drunkmonkey wrote: »

He's testifying some hearsay why do you think he'll have millions in legal costs, the libel case that may follow?

As for stating he's a US intelligence officer. Think of it like this, A whistleblower appears about Pascal with a tort of carbon tax avoidence, an employee of the revenue commissioner starts up a go fund me page and states that he is looking for funding for the legal case to follow and states he works for the revenue. He puts 20k of his raised 200k towards his legal costs and spends the rest on administration costs. He does not pay tax on the gain as there all small gifts, €10 etc.
You see nothing unusual in that scenario, it's basically what the claim is.

It's GoFundMe, the money is not regulated in any extracurricular way that I know of; people are free to throw away their money at people on there. Just as they are free to buy autographed pet rocks from Roger Stone. In most GFM cases involving honest brokers the money left over is later donated to a charity.

He's actually not testifying anything, and the 'hearsay' has since been duly corroborated (most helpfully by the White House). Which to your asinine clapback: blows apart any fantasy you have about the WB being sued for libel, since its all been revealed true.

Don't know that he will incur millions in costs but certainly hundreds of thousands; Lawmakers and the President himself are fighting tooth and nail to have their name published (in any respectable outlet such as those from the WHPC) which would necessitate its own legal defense, as would filing suit against fringe outlets that have published the name if that is indeed the whistleblower. Not to mention the need to protect himself from Retaliation. Plus the fact that most politicians are already slandering him anyway (as a 'deep state operative') without knowing for sure who he is says a lot, and requires its own legal diligence. And there's the fact that this will all happen on a constrained timetable of a few months. So yes it can be quite expensive.

Overheal

drunkmonkey wrote: »

I think it's against the terms of his employment and he also tried to make financial gain on the back of a political agenda in an ongoing legal action.

And idiotic, baseless, unfounded, incendiary armchair allegations like this are why he has a lawyer :rolleyes::rolleyes:

I don't see proof even that the WB instigated the Gofundme

Itssoeasy

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/senior-trump-official-embellished-resume-had-face-fake-time-cover-n1080356

This story on the NBC news website about a senior Trump official who seems to have made stuff up all over the place including making a fake time magazine cover for herself just shows the complete lack of vetting by the administration to what are high level government jobs and at least in this case this woman should be no where near the government of the United States. The article is mental stuff.

Overheal

They only hire the best, unvetted people

Itssoeasy

That article about Steven Miller just shows how much of a nasty piece of work he is.

Overheal

Trump did a perjury

https://lawandcrime.com/high-profile/revealing-testimony-at-roger-stone-trial-indicates-trump-may-have-lied-to-mueller-committed-perjury/?fbclid=IwAR3b0otxcRh_-gx3jOGStU2D35YEcih6W3AIfP1RCaAUjoO8oPIVhnIDgJc

Wow its bad week for Trump and its already monday, just looking around the room at all the news drops today

everlast75

https://twitter.com/BBuchman_CNS/status/1194363157835218944?s=19

And we are to believe he didn't want to fire Mueller....

Or that he didn't fire Comey because he wouldn't pledge loyalty

Overheal

Faced with rocketing debt and deficit and growing calls for Impeachment, Trump is planning to cut middle class taxes by 15%

https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2019/11/12/trump-advisers-exploring-tax-proposal-that-would-lower-middle-class-rate-percent/

"Janet we can't impeach him now, that $200 tax break..."

everlast75

Overheal wrote: »

Faced with rocketing debt and deficit and growing calls for Impeachment, Trump is planning to cut middle class taxes by 15%

https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2019/11/12/trump-advisers-exploring-tax-proposal-that-would-lower-middle-class-rate-percent/

"Janet we can't impeach him now, that $200 tax break..."

And why the **** should anyone believe him this time? He said that before the midterms and nothing ever happened.

Surely at this stage lying 13000 plus times should mean something to the electorate

Overheal

Trump lost his Scottish Windmill lawsuit and was ordered to pay the Scottish Government's legal fees*

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-organization-ordered-to-pay-290000-after-losing-battle-against-scottish-wind-farm/2019/11/12/3657cdd4-0561-11ea-ac12-3325d49eacaa_story.html

*@Drunkmonkey why don't you take a stab at around how much money that is!

Stacksofwacks

In this man ever out of court/legal trouble, this whole thing has got to be some kind of a wind up

Water John

People should go back and view 'You've Been Trumped' to get an up close feel of the reality of dealing with the Trump family.
The phrase he used about others a few days ago, comes to mind.

Itssoeasy

Overheal wrote: »

Trump did a perjury

https://lawandcrime.com/high-profile/revealing-testimony-at-roger-stone-trial-indicates-trump-may-have-lied-to-mueller-committed-perjury/?fbclid=IwAR3b0otxcRh_-gx3jOGStU2D35YEcih6W3AIfP1RCaAUjoO8oPIVhnIDgJc

Wow its bad week for Trump and its already monday, just looking around the room at all the news drops today

Ah so that's what was redacted in the mueller report where it mentions an airport. So as mueller and his team would have had the unredacted version of that part, and then got Trumps written answers which at best shows a lack of candour from Trump(I know but let's give him the benefit of the doubt), and at worst the sitting president of the United States committed perjury.

Itssoeasy

Water John wrote: »

People should go back and view 'You've Been Trumped' to get an up close feel of the reality of dealing with the Trump family.
The phrase he used about others a few days ago, comes to mind.

Is that the one on Netflix ?

Water John

It's a docu from 2011. Obviously made with a sympathy for the local objectors but the Trumps speak on it and their own words are damning of them.

PropJoe10

Overheal wrote: »

Trump did a perjury

https://lawandcrime.com/high-profile/revealing-testimony-at-roger-stone-trial-indicates-trump-may-have-lied-to-mueller-committed-perjury/?fbclid=IwAR3b0otxcRh_-gx3jOGStU2D35YEcih6W3AIfP1RCaAUjoO8oPIVhnIDgJc

Wow its bad week for Trump and its already monday, just looking around the room at all the news drops today

At this stage all I really want to see is Trump being forced to testify under oath. He's utterly incapable of telling the truth, it'd be absolutely box office viewing.

Outlaw Pete

Democrats' narrative is that Trump only wanted Biden's alleged corruption investigated because it would benefit him in the 2020 election. Well, that narrative is of course paper thin and Catherine Croft's testimony should make it even thinner.

Trump Lectured Previous Ukraine President About Corruption, Too

Catherine Croft, a State Department official specializing in Ukraine, told a closed-door meeting that Trump, through the Office of Management and Budget (OMB), held up the first grant of military aid to the Ukrainian government of then-President Petro Poroshenko partly because of concerns about the country’s corruption and the president’s frustration that the U.S. was expected to pay for its defense.

Another concern was how Russia would react to the first provision of lethal weapons — which President Barack Obama had denied to Ukraine despite ongoing Russian attacks.

Croft testified that prior to the now-infamous hold on aid in the summer of 2019, there had been a hold in late 2017 for “a week or two” at the direction of OMB Director Mick Mulvaney, acting on behalf of President Trump.

The main reason, she said, was concern about “the Russian reaction” — the same reason that Obama administration officials had been cautious about providing military aid.

Eventually, President Trump provided the aid, particularly Javelin anti-tank missiles, which helped Ukraine push back the Russian advance.

But he did so, she said, after lecturing President Poroshenko — to his face — about Ukraine’s corruption and inability to pay for its own defense:

StringerBell

You are spending too long in the bubble (the right wing one)

The quoted text doesn't make any "narrative" thinner. Not even a little bit, what's more amusing is how much of a stretch people have to make to try to deflect or defend the man when they are so keen to dismiss the overwhelming evidence contrary to whatever particular point needs obfuscation today.

The article in fact backs up the fact that Ukraine did know trump would withhold aid as he had done so already.