Donald Trump Presidency discussion Thread VI

Leroy42

stefanovich wrote: »

Quite a bit of hypocrisy from the democrats. They also engaged in all sorts of underhanded and potentially illegal behaviour in the same timeframe.

Really? Who and what?

And of course that is admission that Trump is doing it, not sure that is the best defence.

That the GOP, with majorities in both houses, failed to hold the Dems to account is really something you should up with them.

Finally, this is a Trump thread, you want to talk about HC, Obama or whatever, feel free to do a thread for that purpose.

Igotadose

stefanovich wrote: »

Quite a bit of hypocrisy from the democrats. They also engaged in all sorts of underhanded and potentially illegal behaviour in the same timeframe.

I call bullsh1t. What potentially illegal behaviour are you talking about, considering that during the period in question, the GOP controlled the Presidency and both houses of Congress, the DOJ and FBI, and 'all sorts of ....behaviour' has resulted in what, zero arrests and indictments related to Ukraine?

Christy42

Leroy42 wrote: »

Couple of things.

1st, this notion, still parroted by some posters here that no QPQ has been shown. Mulvaney already admitted that it occurred. The only question is how much Trump was involved.

2nd, why are the likes of Parnas, Rudy, Flynn etc being used. Does the US have no diplomatic core at all? All this military spending, all this bravado and it seems that if they want to get in touch with a foreign government they need to go through a third party, ie Farage in the UK.

Ne would seriously question the power and reach that the US actually has if it is basically resorting to looking up the local 'guy in the know' to try to get things working.

That is an important point. Their diplomatic core must be gone. It will be one hell of a job for the next president to rebuild it.

Gbear

Christy42 wrote: »

That is an important point. Their diplomatic core must be gone. It will be one hell of a job for the next president to rebuild it.

For all the bluster about this that and the other policy by the various Dem candidates, they're going to have to spend their whole first team rebuilidng a shattered government apparatus and reinstituting basic regulations that were stripped away.

If they actually get any of the core policies from their manifestos implemented, they'll probably end up going down as one of the best presidents in history, just from the amount of **** they'll have to shovel to get to anything else done.

Igotadose

Gbear wrote: »

For all the bluster about this that and the other policy by the various Dem candidates, they're going to have to spend their whole first team rebuilidng a shattered government apparatus and reinstituting basic regulations that were stripped away.

If they actually get any of the core policies from their manifestos implemented, they'll probably end up going down as one of the best presidents in history, just from the amount of **** they'll have to shovel to get to anything else done.

And likely rebuild the economy, too. It's showing a lot of signs of shrinking. This holiday season is going to be big for retail - impeachment investigations and articles of impeachment being drafted, probably puts people off from shopping. I expect US travel to be down as well, simply based on the fact that it's still pretty easy to get good flight deals for Thanksgiving this late in the day (a month ago we got fairly cheap Dublin/JFK flights, a year ago there was no chance of same.)

The stock market is still up, which helps, but the types most impacted by an economic downturn aren't usually directly heavily into the market.

Plus, come January, there'll be the next round of the Brexit crisis as there'll be a new inept government in place in the UK, that'll lower people's confidence in the US, too.

Quin_Dub

Igotadose wrote: »

And likely rebuild the economy, too. It's showing a lot of signs of shrinking. This holiday season is going to be big for retail - impeachment investigations and articles of impeachment being drafted, probably puts people off from shopping. I expect US travel to be down as well, simply based on the fact that it's still pretty easy to get good flight deals for Thanksgiving this late in the day (a month ago we got fairly cheap Dublin/JFK flights, a year ago there was no chance of same.)

The stock market is still up, which helps, but the types most impacted by an economic downturn aren't usually directly heavily into the market.

Plus, come January, there'll be the next round of the Brexit crisis as there'll be a new inept government in place in the UK, that'll lower people's confidence in the US, too.

Which is why Trump is barking at the Fed again to lower interest rates. He needs to goose it one more time to keep the dead cat in the air until the elections.

The other day he said "Our Interest rates should be lower than anyone elses , we're the USA"

Not sure which school of economic thought that view is from though.

Gbear

The lack of self-awareness to comment on Biden's son being a cheat, when the actual Republican candidate and current President has said creepy things about his own daughter, has ****ed pornstars when his current wife was pregnant, has had multiple rape accusations, including from a former wife under oath, and on, and on the sexual misconduct allegations go (again, some of which are criminal in nature and not just poor form)...

It just makes you look an utter fool. Do you not see that?

drunkmonkey

I don't think people will get what your on about, CNN are doing the editing here again today. Can't have anyone looking bad that's a Democrat. Unreal. This is why you can't believe mainstream media.

Gbear

drunkmonkey wrote: »

I don't think people will get what your on about, CNN are doing the editing here again today. Can't have anyone looking bad that's a Democrat. Unreal. This is why you can't believe mainstream media.

Maybe you should start a Hunter Biden thread and put it there?

drunkmonkey

Gbear wrote: »

Maybe you should start a Hunter Biden thread and put it there?

So I can be told Trump is a bad man, Bidens are nice people and didn't do anything worth investigating. Mainstream media is gone off the rails you can't believe anything with Google, Facebook and Twitter playing whack a mole with any dissent. There making Geobbels look like Mary Poppins.

DrumSteve

drunkmonkey wrote: »

So I can be told Trump is a bad man, Bidens are nice people and didn't do anything worth investigating. Mainstream media is gone off the rails you can't believe anything with Google, Facebook and Twitter playing whack a mole with any dissent. There making Geobbels look like Mary Poppins.

I think he just said to start a thread about Hunter Biden if you want to have a moan there...?

Trump isa bad man.

Surely the Stormy Daniels affair thought everyone that.

drunkmonkey

DrumSteve wrote: »

I think he just said to start a thread about Hunter Biden if you want to have a moan there...?

Trump isa bad man.

Surely the Stormy Daniels affair thought everyone that.

No don't need a moan, post reappeared everything ok in the world. Just thought it was some breaking news to throw in the mix.

What's Stormy got do with anything...Trump likes women, not something I'd hold against him, he's married with kids that's a lot more than can be said of other world leaders especially in Europe, it's actually worrying when you think about it. Ireland, France, Germany, UK the list goes on..

listermint

DrumSteve wrote: »

I think he just said to start a thread about Hunter Biden if you want to have a moan there...?

Trump isa bad man.

Surely the Stormy Daniels affair thought everyone that.

They can both be bad.

I think drunk monkey fails to see that.

Can't be questioning the Messiah...

Christy42

drunkmonkey wrote: »

No don't need a moan, post reappeared everything ok in the world. Just thought it was some breaking news to throw in the mix.

What's Stormy got do with anything...Trump likes women, not something I'd hold against him, he's married with kids that's a lot more than can be said of other world leaders especially in Europe, it's actually worrying when you think about it. Ireland, France, Germany, UK the list goes on..

I am sorry what exactly is your problem with Varadkar's marital status? Spell it out. Or Merkel's or Macron's? Boris I get is a horrible cheat bit hey he just likes women, why hold it against him as you say?

Why does married with kids make you a better person? Trump is married with kids and is a scummy cheater.

I can't see how you are holding Biden more accountable for his scummyness than Trump being a lying cheat to his wife. Stormy is actually relevant to Trump (see thread title).

Quin_Dub

drunkmonkey wrote: »

Classy...

https://twitter.com/KatiePavlich/status/1197326044077969409?s=19

I don't think you'll find anyone here saying that Hunter Biden is a paragon of virtue

Evidence would suggest that he's not a particularly great guy and has been living off the family name to a certain extent.

All of that however is meaningless in the context of Trump and Ukraine.

To date, not one iota of evidence of actual wrong doing by either him or his father has been brought forward , despite all the efforts of those the the Trump orbit.

A very simple question for you.

The Democrats (and others) claim that Trump and his inner circle are bad people that have done lots of bad maybe illegal things. Equally the Republicans claim that Biden/Clinton/Obama and their inner circles have done lots of bad maybe illegal things.

Both could of course be true but so far despite ,in the case of Clinton at least decades of investigations the only tangible hard evidence of wrong doing along with convictions has been for Trump and his allies.

Why is that?

Are we really supposed to believe that the GOP are so utterly impotent that they have been unable to identify a single indictable offence and the Democrat machine is so all-powerful that even when the GOP control all branches of government they can still manage to get people like Manafort, Cohen etc. convicted and get themselves off scot free?

Is that really the viewpoint being held here?

drunkmonkey

It's just a bit odd that so many leaders are childless. I'd just like to see more balance. I'm saying that as a parent.

pixelburp

drunkmonkey wrote: »

It's just a bit odd that so many leaders are childless. I'd just like to see more balance. I'm saying that as a parent.

Not to be pedantic, but unless you got stats for EVERY world leader, all ~200 of them, then really you're just spitballing based on nothing but the prickling on the back of your neck. Many world leaders are probably Brunette, for all the meaning that has.

If you're trying to insinuate something, then spell it out; otherwise, whether or not a leader has children has no baring on their ability to run a country. The combination of pragmatism & empathy is a far more worthwhile virtue to have. There are plenty of sh*tty parents in the world, it's not a guarantee of superior or more compassionate judgement; Trump alone should be a pointer towards that.

If there IS a pattern, it's probably more to do with the fact that being a Politician is so full-time & committed a job, it means having children is not necessarily an option. Probably even seen in other careers that demands a near constant intensity.

everlast75

drunkmonkey wrote: »

Classy...

https://twitter.com/KatiePavlich/status/1197326044077969409?s=19

Do you want me to post comments about Sarah Palin's kids?

Overheal

everlast75 wrote: »

Do you want me to post comments about Sarah Palin's kids?

Wow that’s a reminder and a half back to Track Palin

Dohnjoe

drunkmonkey wrote: »

It's just a bit odd that so many leaders are childless. I'd just like to see more balance. I'm saying that as a parent.

The bizarre deflection and denial going on by Trump's supporters is staggering

Fact-checkers show that this man tells falsehoods on an almost daily basis, how hard is it for some people to accept the notion that he might, you know, be lying about this issue. Is that such a stretch considering his relationship with the truth?

The facts also show us he has surrounded himself with, let's say, people of dubious character. I mean Sondland literally paid for his position. There's a half dozen close associates serving time or awaiting sentencing. Is it that hard to imagine some of these people, e.g. Giuliani, have no issues playing dirty, Real Politik?

At the very least supporters should be honest with themselves and accept that they support Trump despite the lies, despite the fact he may be lying about this. But to play this endless game of deflection and denial really is beyond any reason or objectivity

Overheal

Well that’s why we get the “yeah it happened but so what” defense from Trumpworld.

Dohnjoe

Dohnjoe wrote: »

The bizarre deflection and denial going on by Trump's supporters is staggering

Fact-checkers show that this man tells falsehoods on an almost daily basis, how hard is it for some people to accept the notion that he might, you know, be lying about this issue. Is that such a stretch considering his relationship with the truth?

The facts also show us he has surrounded himself with, let's say, people of dubious character. I mean Sondland literally paid for his position. There's a half dozen close associates serving time or awaiting sentencing. Is it that hard to imagine some of these people, e.g. Giuliani, have no issues playing dirty, Real Politik?

At the very least supporters should be honest with themselves and accept that they support Trump despite the lies, despite the fact he may be lying about this. But to play this endless game of deflection and denial really is beyond any reason or objectivity

This thread has shown that it doesn't matter to Trump fans that he's a lying cheating low life. Normal standards of decency don't apply to the orange one, but if anyone else is less than perfect then they are obviously the spawn of satan.
Not knowing anything about Hunter Biden, myself, that headline makes him look like a bit of a scum bag, but how is he any worse than the current incumbent in the white house? You can't come onto a thread about Trump and criticise Biden Jnr without looking at Trump's far longer history of scum bag behaviour.

Zubeneschamali

Overheal wrote: »

Well that’s why we get the “yeah it happened but so what” defense from Trumpworld.

Ultimately, we all know that's what is going to happen in any Senate trial on impeachment charges, the Rs will vote in lock step along party lines to acquit Trump.

The point is simply to put it all on the record and make them vote for him, the very worst their party has or ever will have. Make them own it.

Zubeneschamali

Deleted User wrote: »

Not knowing anything about Hunter Biden, myself, that headline makes him look like a bit of a scum bag, but how is he any worse than the current incumbent in the white house?

More to the point, what does it matter if he is worse?

He is not an elected official. He is not running for President. It is pure distraction.

The Phantom Jipper

I'm surprised this Hunter Biden horse is still being flogged here, after Sondland's testimony blew a massive hole in this talking point. He noted that what was required of the Ukranians was that they announce an investigation into Hunter Biden, not that an investigation actually take place. It's redundant to continue to pretend Trump was concerned about Ukrainian corruption at this stage.

amandstu

Zubeneschamali wrote: »

The point is simply to put it all on the record and make them vote for him, the very worst their party has or ever will have. Make them own it.

Makes you wonder what will crawl out from there once Trump is no longer their leader.

He has a very loyal base;maybe that is because he represents them well?

PropJoe10

Deleted User wrote: »

This thread has shown that it doesn't matter to Trump fans that he's a lying cheating low life. Normal standards of decency don't apply to the orange one, but if anyone else is less than perfect then they are obviously the spawn of satan.
Not knowing anything about Hunter Biden, myself, that headline makes him look like a bit of a scum bag, but how is he any worse than the current incumbent in the white house? You can't come onto a thread about Trump and criticise Biden Jnr without looking at Trump's far longer history of scum bag behaviour.

One of the great beliefs of the Trump base is that it doesn't matter what Trump does because "What about Hillary?" "What about Hunter Biden?" "What about everyone else in the world?" They seem to feel that there's a moral equivalency for everything so basically everyone is at it, meaning that everyone can do whatever they like.

The ironic thing is that this sort of "whataboutism" is an old Soviet tool that's only designed to create confusion and discord. What other people may have done wrong is surely worthy of investigation but that doesn't excuse Trump behaving like a King/mob boss in the Oval Office. And that's before I even start on his childish and infantile behaviour on social media. He's so unsuited for public office in general, it's not even funny.

I'm still hopeful that at some stage people will start to realise that there's a reason why so many Trump associates/appointees are now facing federal prosecution. The cult will surely start to crumble at some stage - as to when that'll happen is anyone's guess, but hopefully it happens before it's too late and he's re-elected again next year.

aloyisious

drunkmonkey wrote: »

No don't need a moan, post reappeared everything ok in the world. Just thought it was some breaking news to throw in the mix.

What's Stormy got do with anything...Trump likes women, not something I'd hold against him, he's married with kids that's a lot more than can be said of other world leaders especially in Europe, it's actually worrying when you think about it. Ireland, France, Germany, UK the list goes on..

As distractions from how Don and his re-election chances are going, the Bidens will do fine, if you feel they're necessary for the success of Don's re-election. Don working as a publicity agent for Joe is only good for Joe. Attacking US allies heads of Govt at a personal level is something Don hasn't resorted to yet, even in Ukraine.

Cody montana

Trump is having a gigantic meltdown on Twitter at the moment.

Well done Schiff.

Overheal

My right wing of social media insists Trump is innocent unless there’s an audio recording of him breathing into a microphone and admitting to high crimes.