Donald Trump Presidency discussion Thread VI

kilns

RIGOLO wrote: »

so what happened to IMPEACHMENT .. I thought Nancy and Democrat party controlled the House.

Rememebr when Nancy got the gavel and all the anti-Trumpers were like we are going to show him what the power is now.

House kills solo Democrat's bid to impeach Trump


https://edition.cnn.com/2019/07/17/politics/trump-impeachment-house-vote/index.html

doesnt look like the anti-Trumpers are getting it any time soon.

So much for all the calls for impeachment.
Last I checked you cant be impeached for a TWEET.

You do know his tweets will be recorded as official communication by the President.

Pelosi is being smart, as Trump wants an impeachment trial to say they are getting nothing done and only concentrating on him, all the while he knowing it will never pass the Senate due to the cowards that reside there.

Danzy

In no shape or form will Trump ever be impeached.

That's a dead end, its only use is getting likes in Facebook.

Pelosi is choosing not to waste time, even if she had the Senate as well.

Chips Lovell

Chips Lovell wrote: »

Mod Note

The past few pages of the thread have featured a lot of one-liners, name calling, and digs at other posters. Rather than sanction a bunch of people, I'm going to give everyone one last chance to shape up and fly right.

Read the charter. Serious, constructive posts only please. If you post doesn't consist of at least one paragraph, think seriously before hitting "Submit".

We've had to sanction four different people since this mod warning was posted yesterday evening.

If you can't post in a civil and constructive fashion, take it elsewhere.

Thanks

hill16bhoy

Danzy wrote: »

Longest period of growth on record.

Sure that's what people said here in 2007.

It was all illlusory gains storing up an almighty bubble, just like it is in the US now.

And the "naysayers and the doomsayers" were told to "go and commit suicide".

If you warned that the economy was a bubble waiting to pop, you were classed as "unpatriotic".

Some of us have seen all this guff before, you know, and aren't as gullible as Trumpbots.

hill16bhoy

Rush Limbaugh confirms what everybody always knew - Republican rhetoric about deficits has always been utter bullsh!t, and only applies when a Democrat is in the White House.

A quick look at historical figures will show that too.

CALLER: In 2019, there's gonna be a $1 trillion deficit. Trump doesn't really care about that. He's not really a fiscal conservative. We have to acknowledge that Trump has been cruelly used.
LIMBAUGH: Nobody is a fiscal conservative anymore. All this talk about concern for the deficit and the budget has been bogus for as long as it's been around.

https://edition.cnn.com/2019/07/17/politics/rush-limbaugh-debt-trump/index.html

batgoat

RIGOLO wrote: »

feel free to post where Ive been an apologist for any persons racist act.

otherwise its just a statement of your opinion , not fact.

just cos you say its a fact dont make it a fact.

You've praised the fact that he told 4 Congress women to go back to their own countries... Anyone with any sense can see it was an overtly racist remark. Now what do you think of him spreading the Ilhan Omar rumour that has no basis in reality?

Stop moaning ffs

Is there a hope that moderate/swing voters and even some of Trumps base are self reflecting after the statements and building racism coming to the fore?
I know he has a sizeable cohort of devotees that will vote for him no matter what he says but surely people looking on and seeing it’s crazy and racist at the very least, are in the majority? And wouldn’t want to be seen to support it?

PropJoe10

everlast75 wrote: »

I deleted that post, so I could reply to your substantive point.

He is a racist. That is a fact.

Thankfully, we are not living in a world of alternative facts, much to your and Kelly Anne Conway's chagrin.

That rally last night was (hopefully) the closest thing we're going to see to a Nazi propaganda rally in 2019. The 2020 campaign is going to be absolutely horrible.

mcmoustache

Billy Mays wrote: »

He might not become a dictator but he'd certainly love to be a dictator


You're very naive if you think Trump is just going to put his hands up and accept it if he loses the 2020 election

I don't think that he could become a dictator but let's not forget that his presidency means that he can't be indicted for things like that think that he ordered Cohen to do or the obstruction of justice that Mueller couldn't clear him of. Once he's out of office he could be legally vulnerable and he knows it.

He won't go quietly.

mcmoustache

mcmoustache wrote: »

I don't think that he could become a dictator but let's not forget that his presidency means that he can't be indicted for things like that think that he ordered Cohen to do or the obstruction of justice that Mueller couldn't clear him of. Once he's out of office he could be legally vulnerable and he knows it.

He won't go quietly.

Unrelated but this reminds me of Caesar crossing the Rubicon because he was going to lose his immunity when he stopped being governor. I think.

I don't think Trump is going to do anything. What can he honestly do? He doesn't have an army.

26000 Elephants

RIGOLO wrote: »

feel free to post where Ive been an apologist for any persons racist act.

......

just cos you say its a fact dont make it a fact.

Even Trump supporters like yourself have accepted that not only is Trump a racist, but he is actively using racism as an electoral platform or strategy.

Just because you frame a lie as a statement of indignation does not make it any less a deliberate lie.

Thepoet85

RIGOLO wrote:

just cos you say its a fact dont make it a fact.

I'll remember that the next time you claim Donald has had another super week, it's just your opinion and not fact right?

Danzy

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Unrelated but this reminds me of Caesar crossing the Rubicon because he was going to lose his immunity when he stopped being governor. I think.

I don't think Trump is going to do anything. What can he honestly do? He doesn't have an army.

If he loses he'll be out the door on inauguration day.

We all know that but there is no drama in it.

Much more exciting to pretend he'll launch a coup.

Proletariat squads setting up check point, the media and Wall St execs being put under house arrest.

Leafy Suburbia have its heart flutter and outrage moments.

Penn

mcmoustache wrote: »

I don't think that he could become a dictator but let's not forget that his presidency means that he can't be indicted for things like that think that he ordered Cohen to do or the obstruction of justice that Mueller couldn't clear him of. Once he's out of office he could be legally vulnerable and he knows it.

He won't go quietly.

It depends more so on the Senate than anything. If the GOP retain the Senate but Trump loses the Presidency, the Senate might still afford him enough protection.

If they lose the Presidency and the Senate, there's only so much he can do before the Dems take over the Senate (and therefore the DOJ too) and any hope he'd have of trying to hold on to power is gone. I'd say best bet is he'd strike a deal with Dems to leave quietly so long as they don't pursue any charges.

hill16bhoy

Danzy wrote: »

If he loses he'll be out the door on inauguration day.

We all know that but there is no drama in it.

Much more exciting to pretend he'll launch a coup.

Proletariat squads setting up check point, the media and Wall St execs being put under house arrest.

Leafy Suburbia have its heart flutter and outrage moments.

Again, no real point to the above post, except to ridicule other posters with attempted trigger words, and distract.

Trump strategy 101 in action again.

It's tremendously interesting how all his supporters here and on other places on the internet use the exact same techniques as the man himself.

I guess when you decide to post in support of somebody like him, you have to throw yourself completely into the lifestyle, the the philosophy, the strategy.

It's an all-encompassing cult of devotion to the glorious leader, really.

Danzy

hill16bhoy wrote: »

Again, no real point to the above post, except to ridicule other posters with attempted trigger words, and distract.

Trump strategy 101 in action again.

It's tremendously interesting how all his supporters here and on other places on the internet use the exact same techniques as the man himself.

I guess when you decide to post in support of somebody like him, you have to throw yourself completely into the lifestyle, the the philosophy, the strategy.

It's an all-encompassing cult of devotion to the glorious leader, really.

Anyone who thinks Trump will not leave on the day his term ends is delusional or at the least wilful in it, as it gives an edge of excitement.

In all honesty do you believe there is any scenario in which he'll be in the White House after his term ends.

No, course not.

Billy Mays

Danzy wrote: »

Anyone who thinks Trump will not leave on the day his term ends is delusional or at the least wilful in it, as it gives an edge of excitement.

In all honesty do you believe there is any scenario in which he'll be in the White House after his term ends.

No, course not.

Do you think he'll accept the result of the election if he is beaten?

mcmoustache

Deleted User wrote: »

Unrelated but this reminds me of Caesar crossing the Rubicon because he was going to lose his immunity when he stopped being governor. I think.

I don't think Trump is going to do anything. What can he honestly do? He doesn't have an army.

I don't think he'll do much beyond not accept the result.

pixelburp

Danzy wrote: »

Anyone who thinks Trump will not leave on the day his term ends is delusional or at the least wilful in it, as it gives an edge if excitement.

In all honesty do you believe there is any scenario in which he'll be in the White House after his term ends.

No, course not.

Will he refuse to leave office? Well he has intimated that he mightn't recognise the result - recently, and back in 2016 don't forget - but I doubt his decision would last longer than the time it'd take for legal / criminal action to be threatened against him.

Where I'd worry is with the rhetoric the man wields without thinking; as we're seeing right with his racism, lies and encouragement of his rallies to chant "Send her back". My concern would be that rather than accept "losing" - which is something he shows great insecurity over, and loves calling his rivals this as a pejorative - he would whip up a narrative of conspiracy, stolen elections and illegitimacy. The question then becomes what do his "Ultras" make of this, and what they might do next. Honestly, I could predict small-scale riots and violent reaction - which in of itself is a horrendous course for US politics to take.

amandstu

Can he adopt a policy of deligitimizing the election?

Point to ,say Chinese hacking and call a state of emergency?


Someone should ask him if he is doing anything to prevent Chinese electoral interference.

Leroy42

That would fall under the same thinking of of course he will release his tax returns. Or of course he will divest his business. Or of course he won't employ his own kids.

Or of course he won't attempt to pressure the head of the FBI to drop an investigation. Or of course he won't side with Putin over all his security services over election interference.

Or of course he won't ball out the PM of his closest ally, whilst at the same time singing the praises of dictators such as KJU.

Or of course he isn't racist. Of course he wouldn't simply make up stories about Obama spying on him. Of course he won't have paid off a porn star. Of course he won't call out republicans simply for disagreeing with him.

Of course he won't call American hero and senator John McCann a loser.

I am going go with the Trump play book on this.

I heard, I was told by someone on my team, that Trump is definitely going to try to stay in the WH no matter what the election outcome. I mean,I don't really know but...

That seems to work ok for Trump.

mcmoustache

Billy Mays wrote: »

Do you think he'll accept the result of the election if he is beaten?

He won't but I don't see what he can do to remain in power besides start whinging on twitter.

Penn

pixelburp wrote: »

Will he refuse to leave office? Well he has intimated that he mightn't recognise the result - recently, and back in 2016 don't forget - but I doubt his decision would last longer than the time it'd take for legal / criminal action to be threatened against him.

Where I'd worry is with the rhetoric the man wields without thinking; as we're seeing right with his racism, lies and encouragement of his rallies to chant "Send her back". My concern would be that rather than accept "losing" - which is something he shows great insecurity over, and loves calling his rivals this as a pejorative - he would whip up a narrative of conspiracy, stolen elections and illegitimacy. The question then becomes what do his "Ultras" make of this, and what they might do next. Honestly, I could predict small-scale riots and violent reaction - which in of itself is a horrendous course for US politics to take.

Let's not forget, he was complaining about the 2016 election and how there was election interference etc, even though he won that election. He was complaining just because his ego was so hurt by losing the popular vote by 3million.

dinorebel

Deleted User wrote: »

Yeah. Why would you ask me such a question?

Because of the mental gymnastics a lot of Trump supporters use to defend him.

Leroy42

Penn wrote: »

Let's not forget, he was complaining about the 2016 election and how there was election interference etc, even though he won that election. He was complaining just because his ego was so hurt by losing the popular vote by 3million.

Exactly. He claimed there was widespread voter fraud in 2016 in an attempt to try to make people believe he had won the popular vote.

He was claiming prior to the election that he wouldn't accept the result.

Are people really trying to claim that he will simply accept a defeat in 2020? All the evidence is that Trump is prepared to do whatever he needs to do with get what he wants. If even wrote about it in his book.

Dytalus

Leroy42 wrote: »

I heard, I was told by someone on my team, that Trump is definitely going to try to stay in the WH no matter what the election outcome. I mean,I don't really know but...

That seems to work ok for Trump.

I can easily imagine Trump wants to. He very much is styling himself after some dictators.

But he is also acts like a coward when things get serious. How many times has he badmouthed other world leaders up until the very moment he's in a room with them? If he can't manage that, he can hardly manage a coup. The greater worry is how his followers will react to a loss. If they get suitably enraged, suitably riotous, then maybe he'll pluck up the courage to try and stick around.

Much more likely he'll whinge on twitter, get his followers riled up and causing trouble, but still try and get himself out of the firing line and away from any potential danger that might cross his path. He's hardly going to stand up to the Capitol Police and Secret Service (assuming they act to serve the office and not the man).

peddlelies

Billy Mays wrote: »

Do you think he'll accept the result of the election if he is beaten?

I do, anything he says in that manner is a strategy or guise to rattle up the electorate, us against a corrupt system etc.

By all accounts on the night of the 2016 election, Trump had resigned himself to having left everything on the play field and if he loses so be it.

The day he does something insane like refusing to hand over power then the cries of fascist will be meaningful, until now though it's all hot air.

everlast75

I don't know how any of ye might feel about it, but imagine living in the US.

Before now, I would have certainly signed up for the Dem candidate and obviously voted for him or her.

After last night, I would spend every waking moment canvassing, raising money, placing calls etc in order to get this political abomination out of office.

Stop moaning ffs

peddlelies wrote: »

I do, anything he says in that manner is a strategy or guise to rattle up the electorate, classic "Us against the rest".

By all accounts on the night of the 2016 election, Trump had resigned himself to having left everything on the play field and if he loses so be it.

The day he does something insane like refusing to hand over power then the cries of fascist will be meaningful, until now though it's all hot air.

I never was of the opinion he truly wanted the job. It was an ego run to promote his brand.

Theres a photo of him and all the campaign staff watching a tv as the final count came in. They’re all celebrating and he looks like he’s been told he’s got a terminal illness.

TheIrishGrover

Well, he'll get in. But, in the off chance that he doesn't, unless it is a total landslide (It won't be) he will drag it on tooth and nail. It will go on for 6 months. They won't call another election or anything like that but it will get ugly.... VERY ugly. You think his rhetoric and his rabid dogs and baseball-cap wearing banjo-players are reprehensible now? They will be even more stomach-turning then. I believe there would be violence. They'll come out with their confederate flags.... The "good people" from that side. They'll march on the streets - which is their right! But it will then turn nasty. You will see the nasty underbelly then. Personally, I wouldn't want to be any of the people he has a problem with because his yokels will take matters into their own hands..... He will come out with some limp-wristed excuse "I didn't tell 'em to do it but y'know, this is 'Murica" but people will be hurt or worse.

My concern is what will happen after he and his swamp are gone - Either next year or 2024. All his professional croneys. I have a feeling it will be like some Central/southern American or African state: When they finally get rid of the leader they will find the bank vault empty. All his swamp buddies will have siphoned off public money to their corporations and the US will be left tied into unbreakable private contracts with his crew for 70 years.