Donald Trump Presidency discussion Thread VI

Midlife

Sean.3516 wrote: »

Yes, he was a radical leftist. He was talking about how “we need socialism now”

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/dayton-shooter-reportedly-supported-gun-control-elizabeth-warren-and-socialism

Yes, also he could have been a Warriors fan. I'm not seeing how this inspired his attack.

Maybe you could explain how killing your sister and a bunch of mainly black people is invoking socialism?

That's a pretty big difference tbh.

Edit: Sorry, just read the post a few below yours which says the same. The killing of police in Dallas in 2016 for example could be linked in the same way to dangerous anti-police rhetoric coming from some groups. I'm not sure this is the same.

BluePlanet

Hate crimes increased 226% in places Trump held a campaign rally in 2016, study claims

US counties where President Donald Trump held a campaign rally saw a 226% increase in reported hate crimes over similar counties that did not hold a rally, political scientists at the University of North Texas said

https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-campaign-rally-hate-crimes-study-maga-2019-3

It's obvious to any that Trump fans the flames of hate.



https://twitter.com/RepMcGovern/status/1158023041164689408

PropJoe10

relax carry on wrote: »

But Trump has never taken responsibility for any of his actions in his life. I genuinely feel he doesn't understand how the rest of us work considering his narcissistic personality. Everyone else is wrong and Trump is right

Yep. All this talk of "Trump needs to change his approach and his rhetoric" is a waste of time. This is who he is, and he's not going to change now.

The best and only solution here is for the US population to come together and vote this guy out in 2020, and start the healing process. Having him in office is so damaging to an already divided country.

aloyisious

Some-one mentioned the Pipe-bomber in ref to CNN and suggested [in light of what has happened] the network should increase its security. CNN has reported that the bomber got 20 years today and that his lawyers reportedly say their client was motivated in his acts by President Trump's rhetoric. It'd be interesting to have that claim confirmed first-hand by the bombers lawyers.

FrostyJack

Outlaw Pete wrote:

Depends on your definition of a terror attack and why are you trying to limit the discussion to 2 years anyway?

Outlaw Pete wrote:

What are you on about? What kind of action do you think would be taken?

Literally everything you have posted recently has either been whataboutry or wrong in the last 24 hours. Right wing terror attacks have jumped in the last 2 years, there are plently of websites what document mass shootings and their locations. You can see the trend for yourself once you remove the blinkers.

First of all an islamic attack is not a liberal attack. Second, as you said what could be done, did Trump not implement a ban on Muslims coming into the country because of such attacks? Or did he do it because he doesn't like people of colour? You can't have it both ways. If he wanted to do something to stop fanning the flames of right wing extremists over night, he could stop attacking the media, come down like a ton of bricks on "pundits" like Tucker Carlson, denounce his KKK follows distinctly i.e. you will lock them up, stop singling out women of colour in opposition and telling them to go home etc and stop infringing on LGBTQ rights i.e. military service and stop picking on immigrants. There are enough homegrown murders, rapists and criminals (not just his direct friends) to go after before going after minorities.
As your not well thought out point on homelessness. Income inequality, opiate epidemics and population growth would have more of an affect than immigration but that doesn't suit your narrative.

Igotadose

A bit more detail about the markets yesterday. Thank you, Trump

"The Dow closed at 25,717, erasing all its gains since January 2018. At its lowest point in the day, the index was down a whopping 950 points.

Markets had their worst day since Dec. 4, when the Dow fell 799 points. The S&P 500 closed down 89 points, and the NASDAQ plunged 278 points."

https://thehill.com/policy/finance/456258-dow-plunges-more-than-760-points-amid-us-china-tensions

Leroy42

I always find it amusing that Trump supporters come on stating that nothing Trump has said about immigrants, violence etc has led to anything. In essence they are saying that the POTUS they so support is completely and utterly useless as the leader, since nobody is paying any attention to him.

What sort of endorsement is that?

It took hi two days to give an official response. Two whole days. And it wasn't because he was on dealing with some other major issue, he was on a weekend break at his golf course. SO whilst the US was going through a terrorist attack he sat and did nothing. GWB came under massive pressure for his stiled response to 9/11 (continuing to read to the classroom) but he eventually did react and it could be argued that staying where he did was actually the right thing to do as jumping up would have only raised panic further.

But two days to even say anything? This is a leader? This is the person they want in charge? And then when he finally gets around to actually talking about it (before getting on AF1) he needs to throw in how great his administration is. So back to him again.

Then he finally gets around to addressing the nation and he gets the place wrong. Toledo! Jebus, the man doesn't even bother to pretend he cares.

251 mass shootings this year in the US and the POTUS has nothing to say, nothing to offer. Nothing. The USA is under attack from within and the POTUS is completely paralysed and more concerned about protecting himself and getting reelected.

serfboard

Leroy42 wrote: »

the POTUS is ... more concerned about protecting himself and getting reelected.

Remember, since the Mueller report, Trump now has an even bigger incentive than regular Presidents to try and get re-elected because if he fails to get re-elected he will likely be immediately facing criminal charges.

And his strategy to getting re-elected? To quote Stephen Colbert: "Balls-out racism".

Nody

aloyisious wrote: »

Some-one mentioned the Pipe-bomber in ref to CNN and suggested [in light of what has happened] the network should increase its security. CNN has reported that the bomber got 20 years today and that his lawyers reportedly say their client was motivated in his acts by President Trump's rhetoric. It'd be interesting to have that claim confirmed first-hand by the bombers lawyers.

The qoute is:

Lawyer wrote:

In this darkness, Mr Sayoc found light in Donald J Trump. The combination of his cognitive deficiencies, steroid-induced delusional thinking, political naivete and his isolation resulted in Mr Sayoc being unable to critically evaluate these claims

taken from the BBC article.

eire4

PropJoe10 wrote: »

Yep. All this talk of "Trump needs to change his approach and his rhetoric" is a waste of time. This is who he is, and he's not going to change now.

The best and only solution here is for the US population to come together and vote this guy out in 2020, and start the healing process. Having him in office is so damaging to an already divided country.

Your right about the president and what needs to happen. But that would require the US to be a functioning democracy and it is anything but with congress mostly bought and paid for by major corporations and I include both parties. Then of course there is the fact that because it is a duopoly on power in Washington and a very corrupt one there is little incentive for many to vote and that has been and will be seen again with I am sure another pathetic voter turnout next year. Last time out it was 56% and last November in the midterms it was 48% and that was high if you can believe it for a midterm election.

Sadly what is likely to happen next year is the Republicans stay in power and drag the US further towards becoming a full on repressive authoritarian state or a corporate Democrat gets in and makes a few cosmetic changes (that ultimately are band aids on gaping wounds) but does nothing of any real note to drag the US back towards being a functioning democracy never mind doing anything that really address the needs and best interests of the vast majority of the people of the US.

amandstu

eire4 wrote: »

Your right about the president and what needs to happen. But that would require the US to be a functioning democracy and it is anything but with congress mostly bought and paid for by major corporations and I include both parties. Then of course there is the fact that because it is a duopoly on power in Washington and a very corrupt one there is little incentive for many to vote and that has been and will be seen again with I am sure another pathetic voter turnout next year. Last time out it was 56% and last November in the midterms it was 48% and that was high if you can believe it for a midterm election.

Sadly what is likely to happen next year is the Republicans stay in power and drag the US further towards becoming a full on repressive authoritarian state or a corporate Democrat gets in and makes a few cosmetic changes (that ultimately are band aids on gaping wounds) but does nothing of any real note to drag the US back towards being a functioning democracy never mind doing anything that really address the needs and best interests of the vast majority of the people of the US.

Are the States just too big to be a democracy? Hopeless to attempt to fit all its States into one basket (a bit like the EU with sovereignty shared in pragmatic and not dogmatic ways)..?

Itssoeasy

I see Donald trump is attacking Beto O Rourke over night. Beto isn’t his given name fair enough but the person he ran against in the mid term election real first name isn’t Ted.

Quin_Dub

Itssoeasy wrote: »

I see Donald trump is attacking Beto O Rourke over night. Beto isn’t his given name fair enough but the person he ran against in the mid term election real first name isn’t Ted.

Everything about the attack just shows how utterly lacking in any kind of empathy or awareness of others he is.

He's ostensibly travelling to El Paso to console the families of the people murdered a few days ago , killed just for being Hispanic.

His response to Beto O'Rourke is simply staggering in its lack of sensitivity or humanity.

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1158950196560171014

He has a cut off him for having a Hispanic nickname , then has a dig about the relative crowd sizes for their competing political rallies a few months ago and then , utterly lacking in self awareness suggests that O'Rourke should respect the victims and their families and be quiet!!

Midlife

amandstu wrote: »

Are the States just too big to be a democracy? Hopeless to attempt to fit all its States into one basket (a bit like the EU with sovereignty shared in pragmatic and not dogmatic ways)..?

The problem with the states IMO is unregulated capitalism.

At some point sensible government has to come in as it's better for a society if not everything in a country is left to market forces.

There's a point when an economy can become too market driven and that creates social ills and social anger. Similarly, on the other end of the scale, communism sucks.

If you want a cohesive happy society, you have to invest in it.

26000 Elephants

America's problemail is that at a federal level it already is a socialist state. Wealthy eastern states carry dirt poor southern and desert states. The fact that most of the wealthy states are solid Democrat and the poor ones staunchly Republican is hilarious.

amandstu

26000 Elephants wrote: »

America's problemail is that at a federal level it already is a socialist state. Wealthy eastern states carry dirt poor southern and desert states. The fact that most of the wealthy states are solid Democrat and the poor ones staunchly Republican is hilarious.

How much actual funding do those poorer States get from the wealthier ones ,I wonder though?

Not much ,I would say (a pure guess really)

B0jangles

amandstu wrote: »

How much actual funding do those poorer States get from the wealthier ones ,I wonder though?

Not much ,I would say (a pure guess really)

Graph shows how much each state gets back per dollar they hand over in federal income tax -so South Carolina gets nearly 8 dollars back for every dollar it pays in, whereas Delaware only gets about 50 cents back for every dollar they pay in.


https://ww w.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2014/05/which-states-are-givers-and-which-are-takers/361668/

Quin_Dub

amandstu wrote: »

How much actual funding do those poorer States get from the wealthier ones ,I wonder though?

Not much ,I would say (a pure guess really)

The States don't get a huge amount directly , but the residents of those States do via Social Security and Medicaid/Medicare payments.

If you look at the bottom 5 ranked States for things like Employment , Education levels , Life expectancy and other "Quality of life" type measures , they are almost all Republican controlled states (and have been for quite some time).

I saw a report recently in the wake of Trump having a dig at Baltimore and they listed 4 categories like the above and 16 of the 20 states in the bottom 5 were Republican controlled - But only 2 or 3 out of 20 in the Top 5 categories were.

Quin_Dub

B0jangles wrote: »

Graph shows how much each state gets back per dollar they hand over in federal income tax -so South Carolina gets nearly 8 dollars back for every dollar it pays in, whereas Delaware only gets about 50 cents back for every dollar they pay in.


https://ww w.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2014/05/which-states-are-givers-and-which-are-takers/361668/

So , looking at that list it seems that only 14 states (from California down) are net contributors to the Federal government.

And looking at this only 4 of those are GOP controlled

B0jangles

Quin_Dub wrote: »

So , looking at that list it seems that only 14 states (from California down) are net contributors to the Federal government.

And looking at this only 4 of those are GOP controlled

I think that's how it works, yeah. Within the article there's a link to the original source with more comprehensive information on the total amount each state gets in federal funding versus how much it pays in (not just directly via federal taxes but in multiple ways).

PropJoe10

Quin_Dub wrote: »

Everything about the attack just shows how utterly lacking in any kind of empathy or awareness of others he is.

He's ostensibly travelling to El Paso to console the families of the people murdered a few days ago , killed just for being Hispanic.

His response to Beto O'Rourke is simply staggering in its lack of sensitivity or humanity.

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1158950196560171014

He has a cut off him for having a Hispanic nickname , then has a dig about the relative crowd sizes for their competing political rallies a few months ago and then , utterly lacking in self awareness suggests that O'Rourke should respect the victims and their families and be quiet!!

Absolutely disgraceful, but you'd actually feel numb towards it now, which is dangerous in itself.

I also see he's claiming that his rhetoric brings people together. Sure, it brings the white supremacist movement together, I suppose.

https://news.sky.com/story/donald-trump-on-mass-shootings-my-rhetoric-has-no-impact-on-us-11779437

martingriff

PropJoe10 wrote: »

Absolutely disgraceful, but you'd actually feel numb towards it now, which is dangerous in itself.

I also see he's claiming that his rhetoric brings people together. Sure, it brings the white supremacist movement together, I suppose.

https://news.sky.com/story/donald-trump-on-mass-shootings-my-rhetoric-has-no-impact-on-us-11779437

I replied to a post on Donald Trumps twitter who said we all have mass shootings even Ireland/UK. So I responded so how many in Ireland this year. Someone reponded and went well they did not remember last year do you remember 1998 and all those people died. I went I do and what has happened since.

Got a reply today that went so how long are you independent now you are defenseless to stop someone taking the country over. Once I stopped rolling around the floor laughing I responded come and have a go but what would your gun do against an army and tanks. Had to give them props for going its for defending the country aint argument straight off the gap

TomOnBoard

House Judiciary Committee has finally filed its case to force McGahn to testify.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1KPobulyZ0sTxgeDIsuyNInUSlhb21jkz/view

EltonJohn69

Biden just gave a fairly impressive speech... good energy/passion... I didn’t think he had it in him.....

Itssoeasy

Trump is rage tweeting again. He went as President of the United States to a place that was the victim of a mass shooting and started off okay but he could not help himself by attacking Sherrod Brown and the Mayor of Dayton Ohio.

They held a press conference after he left and according to the paradigm of honesty, how they described his visit went wasn't how his visit went. Whether the Mayor should've had a press conference isn't the point, she isn't the commander in chief, Donald Trump is. Does he not get that his role as president at a time like this is to be above all the noise that comes along with the aftermath of these far too frequent events that only happen at the numbers they do in America ?

I know people have called him a racist and he probably is given what he's done over his life, but whether he is or not, the white supremisist handbangers THINK he's on their side. That's a big problem because racism didn't go away in america once the Civil rights act was signed in the 1960's but now they feel they have someone in the White House who will help them so they feel emboldened to act the bollocks.

everlast75

Travelling from one mass shooting site to another, *this* is what is foremost in his brain...



https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1159177811573166081?s=19


He is a narcissist beyond help, with zero empathy for anyone else and a number of other things i would get carded for calling him on here.

Such a despicable ******

EltonJohn69

everlast75 wrote: »

Travelling from one mass shooting site to another, *this* is what is foremost in his brain...



https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1159177811573166081?s=19


He is a narcissist beyond help, with zero empathy for anyone else and a number of other things i would get carded for calling him on here.

Such a despicable ******

I wonder if because people are so normalized to his low life behavior will he ramp it up coming into 2020 if he feels he is getting no attention.......not sure where he can go though, he seems to have already really pushed the boat out.....

aloyisious

Quin_Dub wrote: »

Everything about the attack just shows how utterly lacking in any kind of empathy or awareness of others he is.

He's ostensibly travelling to El Paso to console the families of the people murdered a few days ago , killed just for being Hispanic.

His response to Beto O'Rourke is simply staggering in its lack of sensitivity or humanity.

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1158950196560171014

He has a cut off him for having a Hispanic nickname , then has a dig about the relative crowd sizes for their competing political rallies a few months ago and then , utterly lacking in self awareness suggests that O'Rourke should respect the victims and their families and be quiet!!

Maybe its because Texas is Beto's home turf and that has Donald unsettled as its Bushland and republican as well. He'll take the blame if the state switches party.

Itssoeasy

The press pool haven't been allowed to either of the visits that trump has made today because it wasn't meant to be a publicity event and it was meant to be private. That's grand if it was left at that. The problem with that is that the White House have released photos of the visit which have been retweeted but the trump campaign twitter account.

prinzeugen

Itssoeasy wrote: »

The press pool haven't been allowed to either of the visits that trump has made today because it wasn't meant to be a publicity event and it was meant to be private. That's grand if it was left at that. The problem with that is that the White House have released photos of the visit which have been retweeted but the trump campaign twitter account.

And they turned the visit into a TV commercial.

https://mobile.twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1159193146271473664

And Trumps assistant tweeted that he was "treated like a rockstar" .

https://mobile.twitter.com/Scavino45/status/1159170408894959616

I suspect the press pool were not invited as he does not want to answer awkward questions.