Donald Trump Presidency discussion Thread VI

Cody montana

MrFresh wrote: »

See these seem like some complete misrepresentations of what happened. In the first case, he didn't say Trump was doing it "only because" h was the eighth letter. He specifically said he wasn't implying it was a deliberate act by Trump. He's saying people read into these things and Trump has to be aware of this.


In the second one, the host was referencing what her guest had said. Despite this, she recognised it was a mistake and apologised afterwards.


When was Trump's last apology? When did a Fox host last apologise for using an inappropriate word?

Fox News is the worst ever.
Very bias.

TomOnBoard

Andrew Mr Cabe has filed a lawsuit challenging his firing by DoJ/FBI. This follows a case filed earlier in the week by Peter Strzok who is seeking reinstatement and backpay.

It's interesting that both these guys are going full on legal to resolve how they were dealt with. By going legal, they'll have significant rights to decision-making information being provided to them through the discovery process. Already, Mr Cabe's case claims that persons dealing with his firing admitted that they weren't following a process, quoting those persons as saying they were making it up as they were going along. Their bottom line seems to be that decisions were made simply to satisfy Trump.

mcmoustache

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

Would ya stop. MSNBC are a bunch of lying leftists. Second only to CNN when it comes to the level of far left propaganda.

How the hell are they far left?


Do you even know what CNN is or what left is?

everlast75

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

Would ya stop. MSNBC are a bunch of lying leftists

So, are you saying lying is a bad thing now?

Because if so, I await your full keyboard outrage towards Trump for his 10,500 plus lies.

Or are you saying it is okay for Trump and Fox to lie?

Because, if so, you do realise that makes your post utterly hypocritical?

Cody montana

everlast75 wrote: »

So, are you saying lying is a bad thing now?

Because if so, I await your full keyboard outrage towards Trump for his 10,500 plus lies.

Or are you saying it is okay for Trump and Fox to lie?

Because, if so, you do realise that makes your post utterly hypocritical?

*Creates another diversion*

It’s very amusing when they don’t call out trump for all the lying.
Very hypocritical.

Igotadose

everlast75 wrote: »

So, are you saying lying is a bad thing now?

Because if so, I await your full keyboard outrage towards Trump for his 10,500 plus lies.

Or are you saying it is okay for Trump and Fox to lie?

Because, if so, you do realise that makes your post utterly hypocritical?

Apparently Trump lied about what happened during his visit, and later went on to brag about it at one of his Nuremberg rallies: https://edition.cnn.com/2019/08/07/politics/fact-check-trump-brown-hospital-visit-dayton/index.html

Heard recently that the 8 victims in one of the cities didn't want to meet with Trump, so they brought back 2 who had been released from hospital that did want to meet with him. Would have hurt his fifis if no one would've met with him. How sad is that?

Seanachai

relax carry on wrote: »

The utter unfitness of this narcissistic, racist conman for any position of authority is the bit that always gets me about this travesty of a presidency. The ceaseless willingness of his supporters and enablers to hide these facts from themselves in order to bask in the con Trump is selling, is just (to rob one of Trump's overused words) sad.

It's gas when people confer so much prestige to the presidency, monarchy etc, even the one that was so loved by the people was a womanising substance abuser. I don't worship the guy, I see him for the narcissist and player that he is, I just don't make a monster out of him, those that do see him as the sum of all their fears are projecting their own crap onto him.

Seanachai

Igotadose wrote: »

Apparently Trump lied about what happened during his visit, and later went on to brag about it at one of his Nuremberg rallies: https://edition.cnn.com/2019/08/07/politics/fact-check-trump-brown-hospital-visit-dayton/index.html

Heard recently that the 8 victims in one of the cities didn't want to meet with Trump, so they brought back 2 who had been released from hospital that did want to meet with him. Would have hurt his fifis if no one would've met with him. How sad is that?

People are entitled to grieve how they choose, there was a father of one of the victims who said he doesn't blame Trump, he was very rational even in his grief.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-49245606

Professor Moriarty

Seanachai wrote: »

It's gas when people confer so much prestige to the presidency, monarchy etc, even the one that was so loved by the people was a womanising substance abuser. I don't worship the guy, I see him for the narcissist and player that he is, I just don't make a monster out of him, those that do see him as the sum of all their fears are projecting their own crap onto him.

He's a failed rich kid businessman. He's a draft dodger. 22 women have accused him of sexual assault. He had an affair with a porn star as his third wife was giving birth to his son. He's a racist. He's divided America. He's a serial liar. He's destroying international relations and trade. He's selling future generations down the toilet by ballooning the deficit and ignoring climate change.

He's a spoilt child in a man's body. Obama, Clinton and both Bushes were infinitely superior people and presidents. In fact, NIxon was a better person and president than Trump.

MrFresh

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

He's a failed rich kid businessman. He's a draft dodger. 22 women have accused him of sexual assault. He had an affair with a porn star as his third wife was giving birth to his son. He's a racist. He's divided America. He's a serial liar. He's destroying international relations and trade. He's selling future generations down the toilet by ballooning the deficit and ignoring climate change.

He's a spoilt child in a man's body. Obama, Clinton and both Bushes were infinitely superior people and presidents. In fact, NIxon was a better person and president than Trump.

Yet he still might make a very good run at the presidency in 2020. The US is broken from its core.

Professor Moriarty

MrFresh wrote: »

Yet he still might make a very good run at the presidency in 2020. The US is broken from its core.

The vilest aspects of American society have found their champion and they're going to stand by him.

Shelga

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.mediaite.com/news/twitter-recoils-at-white-house-photo-op-of-trump-and-first-lady-smiling-with-baby-orphaned-in-el-paso-massacre-act-like-a-human-being/amp/

Trump gives the thumbs up while Melania holds a 2 month old baby boy, whose parents were murdered in the shooting. The baby’s hand was broken when his mother’s dead body fell on him, she died while covering him. The baby had been discharged but was brought back to the hospital for this photo op.

Trump is an absolutely sickening, repugnant, inexcusable human being.

everlast75

Shelga wrote: »

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.mediaite.com/news/twitter-recoils-at-white-house-photo-op-of-trump-and-first-lady-smiling-with-baby-orphaned-in-el-paso-massacre-act-like-a-human-being/amp/

Trump gives the thumbs up while Melania holds a 2 month old baby boy, whose parents were murdered in the shooting. The baby’s hand was broken when his mother’s dead body fell on him, she died while covering him. The baby had been discharged but was brought back to the hospital for this photo op.

Trump is an absolutely sickening, repugnant, inexcusable human being.

no - you see.. it's your fault for calling him exactly what he is*


*Trump follower logic 101

Water John

It's CNN that compiled the info that none of the 8 patients in two hospitals wanted to meet him so they brought back 2 who had been discharged.

No doubt some will be telling us CNN isn't a reputable source.

Seanachai

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

He's a failed rich kid businessman. He's a draft dodger. 22 women have accused him of sexual assault. He had an affair with a porn star as his third wife was giving birth to his son. He's a racist. He's divided America. He's a serial liar. He's destroying international relations and trade. He's selling future generations down the toilet by ballooning the deficit and ignoring climate change.

He's a spoilt child in a man's body. Obama, Clinton and both Bushes were infinitely superior people and presidents. In fact, NIxon was a better person and president than Trump.

He's a failed rich kid businessman - Doesn't make him a monster, mollycoddled and obnoxious, but not Hitler

He's a draft dodger - I'd say half of the US artists in my record collection are draft-dodgers, doesn't stop every progressive person in Ireland clambering for tickets to their gigs when they come into town though.

22 women have accused him of sexual assault - Doesn't mean that he actually committed sexual assault

He had affairs - Still doesn't make him a monster, it's a lousy thing to do, lots of otherwise decent people have affairs, even while their missus is pregnant

He doesn't agree with the man-made climate change consensus, lots of scientists don't either. His record on pollution is a bit weak though.

It's obvious that you find the man reprehensible, he didn't create the mess we're in though. I still don't think he even reaches the starting gate in the rottenness levels as Bill Clinton and Obama, Nixon even seems a lot more human in light of their careers.

I can see stuff coming out a decade after the Clinton's are gone that would curl people's toes. People always seem to fall for the smooth operator, even if he's rotten to the core, Trump is outwardly obnoxious but he's not in these guys league.

Stop moaning ffs

There’s a vast gulf between reality and how certain factions perceive Trump. As in flawless unfailing caring president vs reality, a cold uncaring hatefilled narcissist. This is indefensible. None of the victims wanted to meet him.
So he resorts to type and makes it all about how amazing he is.
Just watch the clip. It’s undeniable.

https://twitter.com/cbs4local/status/1159306347114110976?s=21

Professor Moriarty

Seanachai wrote: »

He's a failed rich kid businessman - Doesn't make him a monster, mollycoddled and obnoxious, but not Hitler

He's a draft dodger - I'd say half of the US artists in my record collection are draft-dodgers, doesn't stop every progressive person in Ireland clambering for tickets to their gigs when they come into town though.

22 women have accused him of sexual assault - Doesn't mean that he actually committed sexual assault

He had affairs - Still doesn't make him a monster, it's a lousy thing to do, lots of otherwise decent people have affairs, even while their missus is pregnant

He doesn't agree with the man-made climate change consensus, lots of scientists don't either. His record on pollution is a bit weak though.

It's obvious that you find the man reprehensible, he didn't create the mess we're in though. I still don't think he even reaches the starting gate in the rottenness levels as Bill Clinton and Obama, Nixon even seems a lot more human in light of their careers.

I can see stuff coming out a decade after the Clinton's are gone that would curl people's toes. People always seem to fall for the smooth operator, even if he's rotten to the core, Trump is outwardly obnoxious but he's not in these guys league.

No offence, but that's not much of a defence of Trump.

duploelabs

Seanachai wrote: »

He's a failed rich kid businessman - Doesn't make him a monster, mollycoddled and obnoxious, but not Hitler

He's a draft dodger - I'd say half of the US artists in my record collection are draft-dodgers, doesn't stop every progressive person in Ireland clambering for tickets to their gigs when they come into town though. He's Commander in Chief of the Army, doesn't exactly lead by example

22 women have accused him of sexual assault - Doesn't mean that he actually committed sexual assault Many of the accusers have been paid off or retracted their statements from imtimidation

He had affairs - Still doesn't make him a monster, it's a lousy thing to do, lots of otherwise decent people have affairs, even while their missus is pregnant. He preeches christian values but can't hold to them himself

He doesn't agree with the man-made climate change consensus, lots of scientists don't either. His record on pollution is a bit weak though. Less than 1% of scientists is hardly 'Lots of'

It's obvious that you find the man reprehensible, he didn't create the mess we're in though. I still don't think he even reaches the starting gate in the rottenness levels as Bill Clinton and Obama, Nixon even seems a lot more human in light of their careers.

I can see stuff coming out a decade after the Clinton's are gone that would curl people's toes. again nothing proven in court, show me where they've paid people off or imtimidated people. People always seem to fall for the smooth operator, even if he's rotten to the core, Trump is outwardly obnoxious but he's not in these guys league.

See points above in bold

Seanachai

Stop moaning ffs wrote: »

There’s a vast gulf between reality and how certain factions perceive Trump. As in flawless unfailing caring president vs reality, a cold uncaring hatefilled narcissist. This is indefensible. None of the victims wanted to meet him.
So he resorts to type and makes it all about how amazing he is.
Just watch the clip. It’s undeniable.

https://twitter.com/cbs4local/status/1159306347114110976?s=21

I'd imagine there's also a sizeable amount of silent voices who are either neutral about his personality or actually loathe him but still support him, solely because they can't stomach the alternative on offer.

If a charismatic leader came through here with policies I agreed with, I'd still support them even if they had an obnoxious personality. It's the smooth guys with the perfect smiles that say all the right things that makes the hairs stand on the back of my neck.

Leroy42

Seanachai wrote: »

He's a failed rich kid businessman - Doesn't make him a monster, mollycoddled and obnoxious, but not Hitler

He's a draft dodger - I'd say half of the US artists in my record collection are draft-dodgers, doesn't stop every progressive person in Ireland clambering for tickets to their gigs when they come into town though.

22 women have accused him of sexual assault - Doesn't mean that he actually committed sexual assault

He had affairs - Still doesn't make him a monster, it's a lousy thing to do, lots of otherwise decent people have affairs, even while their missus is pregnant

He doesn't agree with the man-made climate change consensus, lots of scientists don't either. His record on pollution is a bit weak though.

It's obvious that you find the man reprehensible, he didn't create the mess we're in though. I still don't think he even reaches the starting gate in the rottenness levels as Bill Clinton and Obama, Nixon even seems a lot more human in light of their careers.

I can see stuff coming out a decade after the Clinton's are gone that would curl people's toes. People always seem to fall for the smooth operator, even if he's rotten to the core, Trump is outwardly obnoxious but he's not in these guys league.

Really? How many and who are they?

He made not have created the mess but he is doing his best to ensure that it gets worse. He identified racism under the surface in the US and has promoted it to top spot for his own gains.

Rottenness levels of Clinton and Obama? Really? One might not agree that Obama was a good POTUS, but rotten? What scale are you using to judge that? And have you submitted Trump to the same scale?

But we already know plenty of things about Trump. His paying of of porn stars, his lack of empathy, his lack of ethics in business. What makes you think that this is all you have to learn about Trump? You seem to think that nothing more will be learnt about him, that he is being open and transparent? No, he is simply distracting from the real issues.

He even admitted, around the time of his inauguration, that he had worked out deals in Saudi, but put the off. But we have no idea what deals he has gone ahead with. We know he is scamming the tax payer for his frequent trips to Mar-a-Lago. We know he cost the US taxpayer millions by having his wife stay in NY for months. We know he tried to use his position as POTUS to get companies to continue to do business with Ivanka. We know that shortly after meetings with China, Ivanka gained Trademark rights in China.

But even though you know all of that, you think to yourself, well surely thats it. We know everything. Well except for his tax returns which he continually lied about and for some reason this man is continually under audit by the US revenue service!

Christy42

Seanachai wrote: »

He's a failed rich kid businessman - Doesn't make him a monster, mollycoddled and obnoxious, but not Hitler

He's a draft dodger - I'd say half of the US artists in my record collection are draft-dodgers, doesn't stop every progressive person in Ireland clambering for tickets to their gigs when they come into town though.

22 women have accused him of sexual assault - Doesn't mean that he actually committed sexual assault

He had affairs - Still doesn't make him a monster, it's a lousy thing to do, lots of otherwise decent people have affairs, even while their missus is pregnant

He doesn't agree with the man-made climate change consensus, lots of scientists don't either. His record on pollution is a bit weak though.

It's obvious that you find the man reprehensible, he didn't create the mess we're in though. I still don't think he even reaches the starting gate in the rottenness levels as Bill Clinton and Obama, Nixon even seems a lot more human in light of their careers.

I can see stuff coming out a decade after the Clinton's are gone that would curl people's toes. People always seem to fall for the smooth operator, even if he's rotten to the core, Trump is outwardly obnoxious but he's not in these guys league.

I mean he is a racist so that is enough for the monster tag for me.

Nixon seems more human in comparison to Trump. Trump didn't create the mess, that has been there for centuries really for partisanship and racism. But he is more than willing to use it and help it along for his own benefit.

Obama is absolutely a far, far better human being than Trump.

Professor Moriarty

duploelabs wrote: »

See points above in bold

His attack on McCain was as hypocritical as you can get.

Professor Moriarty

Christy42 wrote: »

I mean he is a racist so that is enough for the monster tag for me.

Nixon seems more human in comparison to Trump. Trump didn't create the mess, that has been there for centuries really for partisanship and racism. But he is more than willing to use it and help it along for his own benefit.

Obama is absolutely a far, far better human being than Trump.

When people defend Trump's dismissal of climate change, I stop listening.

Seanachai

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

No offence, but that's not much of a defence of Trump.

It's not supposed to be a character defence, I wouldn't want to hang out with the guy, it's supposed to give some perspective on how people are allowing their personal dislike of him to paint him as Satan.

All this while the likes of Justin Trudeau is fawned over, it really irks me how even here people will cross the street to talk to the local fella who's a charmer, but is a complete dodgy louse at the back of it all. We get fooled by the exterior.

If the modern democratic party, social democrats, centre left or whatever they consider themselves to be really hate him and his policies so much why did they have such contempt for blue collar America? They still haven't even copped on! they're still speaking down to them on tv and in the press. Do they think they're going to get those deplorables back on side by dictating to them on what is the correct way to view the world?

If and when Trump gets back in the upper echelons of the left in America will have nobody to blame but themselves and their media.

Leroy42

Talking down to them? Like how? By explaining the facts about climate change for example? Or telling them straight that coal jobs are not coming back?

Or that racism is not acceptable, that people should be treated equally and fairly, that healthcare should be more important to people than guns?

You think it is better that you get a conman like Trump to lie to them, but do it in a style they appreciate?

And if the role of the POTUS, or any PM etc, was simply to run the company then I would have some sympathy for your position. But they don't. he role requires them to cover the moral standing of the country, to be its leader in more ways that just as an economy. It should be about making the country better for everyone.

Do other leaders, such as Trudeau have issues? Of course, they are human and everyone has their issues. Are they anything like the issues that Trump has? Not even close.

Seanachai

Christy42 wrote: »

I mean he is a racist so that is enough for the monster tag for me.

Nixon seems more human in comparison to Trump. Trump didn't create the mess, that has been there for centuries really for partisanship and racism. But he is more than willing to use it and help it along for his own benefit.

Obama is absolutely a far, far better human being than Trump.

The whole people liking Obama thing makes me want to roll out a program in school with speakers on psychopathy. His body language, covert narcissism (much worse than overt) that grin, if people weren't duped by his type there's be a lot less carnage on the micro and macro levels in society.

Christy42

Seanachai wrote: »

The whole people liking Obama thing makes me want to roll out a program in school with speakers on psychopathy. His body language, covert narcissism (much worse than overt) that grin, if people weren't duped by his type there's be a lot less carnage on the micro and macro levels in society.

Still not addressing the racism point. I mean you don't have to but it speaks louder that you don't.

Quin_Dub

Seanachai wrote: »

It's not supposed to be a character defence, I wouldn't want to hang out with the guy, it's supposed to give some perspective on how people are allowing their personal dislike of him to paint him as Satan.

All this while the likes of Justin Trudeau is fawned over, it really irks me how even here people will cross the street to talk to the local fella who's a charmer, but is a complete dodgy louse at the back of it all. We get fooled by the exterior.

If the modern democratic party, social democrats, centre left or whatever they consider themselves to be really hate him and his policies so much why did they have such contempt for blue collar America? They still haven't even copped on! they're still speaking down to them on tv and in the press. Do they think they're going to get those deplorables back on side by dictating to them on what is the correct way to view the world?

If and when Trump gets back in the upper echelons of the left in America will have nobody to blame but themselves and their media.

Here's the thing - if we take the comparisons with Bill Clinton as an example.

Clinton doesn't really seems to be a particularly nice guy underneath it all , more than a bit of a womanising a**hole. BUT he was fairly good at his job , he ran the country reasonably effectively , was able to represent the country overseas well , left the country with a budget surplus etc. He could also manage to attend a funeral or other solemn event and not be a complete d**k.

He didn't get everything right, no one ever does and there are things that he did wrong that he is and should be criticized about.

Trump on the other hand is an awful human being on multiple levels AND he is utterly incapable of doing the job that he holds. He's ruining the US global reputation , he's running the economy into a wall and he's removing masses of regulations designed to protect the country and its citizens to allow the wealthy to get more wealthy.

Someone who can't even visit sick/injured citizens following a national tragedy , whether from a Natural disaster (Puerto Rico) or any of the multiple Mass shootings and not behave like a spoilt child is beneath contempt.

All of your other examples of high profile people with failings (The Clintons , Trudeau , Bezos) they all have some redeeming qualities . We can debate the value of those qualities and whether they offset their failings for sure , but the existence of those positive qualities isn't really a huge matter for debate.

However , Trump is utterly without any redeeming qualities.

Seriously - Try completing the sentence "Trump is **Something bad** , but at least he's good at XXXXX"

ancapailldorcha

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reg114

Seanachai wrote: »

He's a failed rich kid businessman - Doesn't make him a monster, mollycoddled and obnoxious, but not Hitler

He's a draft dodger - I'd say half of the US artists in my record collection are draft-dodgers, doesn't stop every progressive person in Ireland clambering for tickets to their gigs when they come into town though.

22 women have accused him of sexual assault - Doesn't mean that he actually committed sexual assault

He had affairs - Still doesn't make him a monster, it's a lousy thing to do, lots of otherwise decent people have affairs, even while their missus is pregnant

He doesn't agree with the man-made climate change consensus, lots of scientists don't either. His record on pollution is a bit weak though.

It's obvious that you find the man reprehensible, he didn't create the mess we're in though. I still don't think he even reaches the starting gate in the rottenness levels as Bill Clinton and Obama, Nixon even seems a lot more human in light of their careers.

I can see stuff coming out a decade after the Clinton's are gone that would curl people's toes. People always seem to fall for the smooth operator, even if he's rotten to the core, Trump is outwardly obnoxious but he's not in these guys league.

The problem here is Trump doesnt even feign an air of integrity.

As slimy and sneaky as Clinton and Nixon were , they at least attempted to talk the talk and act in some way presidential until of course they were caught out. Trump doesnt make any attempt to conceal his own agenda and actually boldface lies every single time he opens his mouth to support his own narrative.

The issue with Trump is also the consequences of his trying to appeal to his own narcissism / base. His soapbox statements about illegal immigrants can be directly linked to the recent killings in El Paso. When the president irresponsibly refers to Mexicans as murderers and rapists it is going to have consequences. In this regard Trumps recklessness is monstrous.

No Trump isnt Hitler, he doesnt have a grand heinous plan like Hitler did. Trump is purely interested in Trump and doesnt have an actual ideology.

Trump is the ultimate political whore in that he will say anything that gets him support and if that means denigrating a soft target like illegal mexicans then so be it. No other president would have resorted to such tactics. While JFK and Clinton were adulterers and Nixon a proven racist, all of them had the cop on to at least keep their transgressions behind closed doors and feign an air of being presidential.

These are dark times for America and they could get darker still because Im seeing no legitimate opponent on the democrat side that could realistically unseat Trump. Ive said before while Sanders might have a groundswell of support he rants and raves too much , plus he looks older than Trump. Why replace a ranter and raver with another from across the political divide albeit one with an actual brain and integrity. Im thinking of a political debate between Sanders and Trump, and Sanders would lose. Warren's problem is she's a woman and I do not believe american voters are ready for a female president. Biden is a liability and again too old. Harris, as super intelligent as she is, is hamstrung by her sex and ethnic background. O Rourke has no hope. Buttigieg is an unknown quantity, but from what ive seen of him he needs to ramp up the passion when talking publicly. He comes across as highly educated, mild mannered and has an answer for every question but he needs to really inject his delivery with more intensity. Democrats need to row in behind a s single candidate before they dilute all momentum and give Trump another 4 years.