No pub in Ballymun residents complain

Fan of Netflix

https://www.dublininquirer.com/2019/06/19/ballymun-should-have-at-least-one-pub-local-residents-say

I can see their point, you would imagine there would be at least one pub there. Is it the case as one resident suggests that anti social behaviour forced the closure of the last pub. If so it is a shame for law abiding members of the community that a minority of bowsies have to spoil it for others.

neris

Is there not a bar in the hotel up there in the middle of Balymun? The towers closed for redevelopment years ago. The autobahns not a far walk from Ballymun

Abba987

neris wrote: »

Is there not a bar in the hotel up there in the middle of Balymun? The towers closed for redevelopment years ago. The autobahns not a far walk from Ballymun

That article says a hotel one is closed

markpb

neris wrote: »

Is there not a bar in the hotel up there in the middle of Balymun? The towers closed for redevelopment years ago. The autobahns not a far walk from Ballymun

I think the hotel closed when some of the upper stories went on fire last year.

neris

Abba987 wrote: »

That article says a hotel one is closed

so it is should have read the article 1st.

get the impression reading that article that the locals nearly think its up to the council or a state agency to stick a pub in for them. Im sure theres plenty of publicans whove checked the area out for a pub and for various reasons (money & trouble) have decided its not worth it.

Fan of Netflix

neris wrote: »

Is there not a bar in the hotel up there in the middle of Balymun? The towers closed for redevelopment years ago. The autobahns not a far walk from Ballymun

Apparently a lot of gardai drink in the autobahn. I've never been in though so dunno what its like..

NuttyMcNutty

Hotel (Fishbowl) closed a while now, to do with travellers. Hotel up the road that was subsidised decides residents only, that includes just going in there for something to eat.


There is only Setanta gaa club at Ballymun library. Fishbowl supposed to be reopening in coming weeks.

Abba987

NuttyMcNutty wrote: »

Hotel (Fishbowl) closed a while now, to do with travellers. Hotel up the road that was subsidised decides residents only, that includes just going in there for something to eat.


There is only Setanta gaa club at Ballymun library. Fishbowl supposed to be reopening in coming weeks.

Deputy mayor is close depending on where you live in ballymun.
What's fishbowl 🀔

Abba987

neris wrote: »

so it is should have read the article 1st.

get the impression reading that article that the locals nearly think its up to the council or a state agency to stick a pub in for them. Im sure theres plenty of publicans whove checked the area out for a pub and for various reasons (money & trouble) have decided its not worth it.

Have to agree. It's not where I would choose to open a pub. Although it seems quieter now than years ago

c_murph

markpb wrote: »

I think the hotel closed when some of the upper stories went on fire last year.

The hotel that went on fire was the Metro, at the corner of Santry Avenue. Looks like it could be reopening soon hopefully.
The one referred to in the article, and where the bar closed recently, is the Travelodge's Metzo Bar - further south, near the Axis theatre.

the_syco

From the article;

Kearney disagrees. “That closed down because of trouble,” she says. “The guards were outside every night of the week.”

Don't see any reason why someone would open a pub there now.

ongarboy

I can't believe the Social Democrat councillor thinks there potentially is a social obligation of the council to provide a pub. Should the tax payer be funding it? Of course not. Alcohol is a discretionary pursuit as would be eating burritos and it's up to the free market and any entrant to decide if a pub or any food/beverage/leisure outlet is viable or not. The residents of Ballymun have surely voted with their feet and decided that drinking at home or elsewhere is preferable. Otherwise, why would the existing pubs have closed?

Fan of Netflix

ongarboy wrote: »

I can't believe the Social Democrat councillor thinks there potentially is a social obligation of the council to provide a pub. Should the tax payer be funding it? Of course not. Alcohol is a discretionary pursuit as would be eating burritos and it's up to the free market and any entrant to decide if a pub or any food/beverage/leisure outlet is viable or not. The residents of Ballymun have surely voted with their feet and decided that drinking at home or elsewhere is preferable. Otherwise, why would the existing pubs have closed?

I'd say trouble is a big element from what is being said although I find that strange as there is pubs in rougher areas in Dublin and elsewhere in the country.

Fan of Netflix

Is it true the Towers used to have Dutch Gold on tap? Never seen it on tap anywhere

odyssey06

ongarboy wrote: »

I can't believe the Social Democrat councillor thinks there potentially is a social obligation of the council to provide a pub. Should the tax payer be funding it? Of course not

Of course the tax payer shouldn't be funding it.

But if the behaviour was so bad the pub closed... I think the social obligation the locals would like to see being fulfilled by the government is to punish such thuggery with jail time; so the law abiding are free to go about their business.

neris

Am I right in thinking there were no windows in the towers? They use to have to get a garda escort to go to the bank with the takings

Skatedude

And the empty new retail units that never opened are owned by Ballymun Regeneration Limited? How much rent are they looking for and why the hell is is called Ballymun Regeneration Limited if they are not intrested in regenerating Ballymun?

L1011

markpb wrote: »

I think the hotel closed when some of the upper stories went on fire last year.

Wrong hotel.

NuttyMcNutty wrote: »

Hotel up the road that was subsidised decides residents only, that includes just going in there for something to eat.

The Metro only had a residents bar licence - not a case of deciding residents only.




The two pubs in the shopping centre (Towers and Penthouse) closed in part due to lease issues due to the centre being knocked - or meant to be knocked and then held up for a decade. Its the largest densely populated area of the city without a pub now; only the area with UCD covering most if it is similar in size and it has the SU bar (members club like a GAA club, but students are the members) anyway.

the_syco

ongarboy wrote: »

I can't believe the Social Democrat councillor thinks there potentially is a social obligation of the council to provide a pub.

She lives in east Finglas. She's only saying it for the votes, not because it'll ever happen.

odyssey06 wrote: »

I think the social obligation the locals would like to see being fulfilled by the government is to punish such thuggery with jail time; so the law abiding are free to go about their business.

Who foots the bill for the daily calls that the Gardai will get for the place?

odyssey06

the_syco wrote: »

Who foots the bill for the daily calls that the Gardai will get for the place?

Why would they getting daily calls... why arent the trouble makers behind bars?

There will never be enough garda resources if there are no consequences for illegal behaviour.
Doubtless the trouble makers arent saints outside the pub either.

Dyr

The fishbowl was a sh*thole long before it was forced to close.

Lack of a pub is not a problem in Ballymun, the place is at least quiet at night now

Lack of the everything else retail wise is a problem, but hey, it's getting 600 student beds because that's what the place needed, apparently

Franz Von Peppercorn II

Isn’t Ballymun gentrifying a bit?

donspeekinglesh

L1011 wrote: »

The Metro only had a residents bar licence - not a case of deciding residents only.

When did that change? Wasn't like that when it first opened.

L1011

donspeekinglesh wrote: »

When did that change? Wasn't like that when it first opened.

As far as I know it has always only had a residents licence. They may not have been aware of the limitations

donspeekinglesh

L1011 wrote: »

As far as I know it has always only had a residents licence. They may not have been aware of the limitations

We used to live nearby until 2008 and went there frequently for dinner/drinks, and there was never an issue.

L1011

I could give you a (short) list of a few other hotels that serve non residents on a residents licence. Doesn't mean it's legit.

JustAThought

Was at the Axis theatre in Bmun a while back -it has a bar & noone was asking to see tickets to buy a drink when I went in. Also the pub at the gates of DCU - country style pub doing big nosh lunches - all sofy.lighting & plush wooden interiors - ditto.the one a few doors up. There is also the Swiss Cottage (is that still open?) And the TWO new hotels wih multiple bars and drinking areas across the road from the Coulty 'estate' in Ballymun. Is their problem that there isnt a scummy enough pub for them to drink in, or do they want a pub on every street corner of their state paid council house estates courtesy of the taxpayer - or do they want someone to pour the drink down their nexks for.them while they lie on their couches counting their dole.

Dyr

JustAThought wrote: »

Was at the Axis theatre in Bmun a while back -it has a bar & noone was asking to see tickets to buy a drink when I went in. Also the pub at the gates of DCU - country style pub doing big nosh lunches - all sofy.lighting & plush wooden interiors - ditto.the one a few doors up. There is also the Swiss Cottage (is that still open?) And the TWO new hotels wih multiple bars and drinking areas across the road from the Coulty 'estate' in Ballymun. Is their problem that there isnt a scummy enough pub for them to drink in, or do they want a pub on every street corner of their state paid council house estates courtesy of the taxpayer - or do they want someone to pour the drink down their nexks for.them while they lie on their couches counting their dole.

Are any of those pubs, whether they're open or closed (or exist only in your imagination ) in Ballymun? Nope.

Kind of odd to have an Irish town with a population of around 20k and no pub. Ballymun is also really odd in that it was designed along a long horizontal axis which was meant to have a town centre in the middle, with that gone, people at the end of either arm tend to have a long ways to go to get anywhere


The Slipper and Autobahn are about a 20 minute walk from the civic offices in
the middle of Ballymun, and they're full of Ballymunners. As was the Swiss, none of them are what you'd call local though

Skatedude

Bambi wrote: »

Are any of those pubs, whether they're open or closed (or exist only in your imagination ) in Ballymun? Nope.

Kind of odd to have an Irish town with a population of around 20k and no pub. Ballymun is also really odd in that it was designed along a long horizontal axis which was meant to have a town centre in the middle, with that gone, people at the end of either arm tend to have a long ways to go to get anywhere


The Slipper and Autobahn are about a 20 minute walk from the civic offices in
the middle of Ballymun, and they're full of Ballymunners. As was the Swiss, none of them are what you'd call local though

Er, the Swiss was knocked down, pile of bricks now

s7ryf3925pivug

Populist politics.

Was Ballymun not recently declared the most littered place in Ireland?

There are serious issues in Ballymun. However, the very same issues are in most estates across the country now, as the Policing, Judicial and Legislative arms of the country simply couldn't be assed dealing with anti-social behaviour. Ballymun just has a higher concentration of these issues.

Until that's dealt with, you'll see the same issues in Ballymun appear elsewhere, too, over time.