HATE CRIME IN THURLES

blinding

Franz Von Peppercorn II wrote: »

To be fair they rarely have statues.

And don’t even mention Cartoons ! Joyless lot .

mikemac2

I blame a yahoo from Kilkenny just cos....

Those kats are not welcome

branie2

mikemac2 wrote: »

I blame a yahoo from Kilkenny just cos....

Those kats are not welcome

Tommy "Ram" Dillion?

Timberrrrrrrr

Franz Von Peppercorn II wrote: »

Really, why?

I see a long future of attacks on statutes in our future.

You see our laws getting attacked?


Anywho police have released CCTV footage of the perp, won't be long until he's caught

Doctors room ghost

Same thing happened poor old Padraic o connaire in eyre square.they got some head banger trying to board a bus eireann bus with the head in a bag.
He’s in a museum now.

branie2

Doctors room ghost wrote: »

Same thing happened poor old Padraic o connaire in eyre square.they got some head banger trying to board a bus eireann bus with the head in a bag.
He’s in a museum now.

Head banger or Padraic?

lawred2

I believe he said a great mass

Doctors room ghost

branie2 wrote: »

Head banger or Padraic?

Padraic got the museum head banger got a day in court.
It’s a good while back.
Pretty sad though.we all had pictures took with Padraic as kids and it was a meeting point pre mobile phone days for people.that and the fountain.
All gone now

JayZeus

JayZeus wrote: »

This is a good start.

When will they be removing the rest of these religious statues?

After the removal of all the statues, streetnames and institutions of the British royalist cult that you've a partiality to defending here? I'd be open to compromise and say at the same time.

whisky_galore

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

Most of you here are Catholic.

You can never leave the Church after you're Confirmed.


It's sad to to see this apathy. When you're dying on your death bed you'll be repenting and praying to all the Saints.


Believe me I've seen it first hand with family members.

I left it years ago, the right hand door was open.

kneemos

Tasfasdf wrote: »

Wonder if it was a Islamic statue would you type this, no no you wouldnt

You've obviously never seen a Muslim related thread.

suicide_circus

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-48146305

Here's more of it

Timberrrrrrrr

How is this a "hate crime"?

Franz Von Peppercorn II

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

How is this a "hate crime"?

Attacks on churches are often considered hate crimes. You should know this. As are attacks on mosques and synagogues.

It does depend on who is doing it and why.

Odhinn

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

How is this a "hate crime"?

Firstly you require a shoe-horn. With this you get your agenda and work it in to whatever incident comes to hand.

suicide_circus

Franz Von Peppercorn II wrote: »

Attacks on churches are often considered hate crimes. You should know this. As are attacks on mosques and synagogues.

It does depend on who is doing it and why.

it may turn out not to be a hate crime. the media default would be to label it a hate crime until proven otherwise. i dont see why this case should be different. can anyone with a straight face tell me that if the mosque in Clonskeagh in Dublin were vandalised, it wouldnt be called a hate crime? come off it

Franz Von Peppercorn II

Odhinn wrote: »

Firstly you require a shoe-horn. With this you get your agenda and work it in to whatever incident comes to hand.

Let’s say it happened a few hundred miles north.

(Not that I think this is a hate crime).

kneemos

Franz Von Peppercorn II wrote: »

Let’s say it happened a few hundred miles north.

(Not that I think this is a hate crime).

That would be sectarian.

Odhinn

Franz Von Peppercorn II wrote: »

Let’s say it happened a few hundred miles north.

(Not that I think this is a hate crime).

If it did, but it didn't.

Franz Von Peppercorn II

kneemos wrote: »

That would be sectarian.

How fI you know this isn’t? Nobody can assume anything at the minute. So it probably isn’t, but could be, a hate crime.

kneemos

Franz Von Peppercorn II wrote: »

How fI you know this isn’t? Nobody can assume anything at the minute. So it probably isn’t, but could be, a hate crime.

Our 911.

suicide_circus

amazing how unwilling people are to use the Hate Crime label isnt? do we feel it is perhaps somewhat overused?

JustAThought

Im sitting in my house for the past 2 hours listening to my off his neighbour roaring at me that he is going to kill me . Im also waiting,locked into the house, for the gards to come. Still. As the threats comtinue and the banging at my door. There is too lenient an approact taken to the vermin in 'society' and the country has come to the state that everyone knows that you can do whatever you want and there will be no consequence. Umtil we start with a no tolerance approach and prompt respknses and proper punishment this kind of thing will be allowed to continue. It is only getting worse. Gaurds are 5 minutes away from me and could hear the treats and banging of my door on the 999 call. What hope have statues.

Franz Von Peppercorn II

Odhinn wrote: »

If it did, but it didn't.

We don’t know the reason here. And can atheists be sectarian? Maybe.

Seeing one decapitation of a statue as a hate crime, and another as not does in fact depend on the circumstances. However it can in fact be a hate crime.

As far as I know the poster who incredulously asked how this could be considered a hate crime is from a jurisdiction where it mostly certainly would be.

It’s a strange question to ask.

Franz Von Peppercorn II

kneemos wrote: »

Our 911.

Don’t drag the debate into stupidity. If this attack was from non Catholics it’s a hate crime. And, no I’m not a believer.

Franz Von Peppercorn II

JustAThought wrote: »

Im sitting in my house for the past 2 hours listening to my off his neighbour roaring at me that he is going to kill me . Im also waiting,locked into the house, for the gards to come. Still. As the threats comtinue and the banging at my door. There is too lenient an approact taken to the vermin in 'society' and the country has come to the state that everyone knows that you can do whatever you want and there will be no consequence. Umtil we start with a no tolerance approach and prompt respknses and proper punishment this kind of thing will be allowed to continue. It is only getting worse. Gaurds are 5 minutes away from me and could hear the treats and banging of my door on the 999 call. What hope have statues.

Worth mentioning that in another thread. It is interesting how working class areas are abandoned.

kneemos

Franz Von Peppercorn II wrote: »

Don’t drag the debate into stupidity. If this attack was from non Catholics it’s a hate crime. And, no I’m not a believer.

What the **** is a 'hate crime"supposed to be. Somebody didn't like the statue for whatever reason,calling it a hate crime doesn't make it any better or worse.

Or is it code for less blame the Muslims?

suicide_circus

kneemos wrote: »

What the **** is a 'hate crime"supposed to be. Somebody didn't like the statue for whatever reason,calling it a hate crime doesn't make it any better or worse.

agreed.

Franz Von Peppercorn II

kneemos wrote: »

What the **** is a 'hate crime"supposed to be. Somebody didn't like the statue for whatever reason,calling it a hate crime doesn't make it any better or worse.

Or is it code for less blame the Muslims?

No it’s not.

For the hard of thinking, here is all that I said.

This could be a hate crime but probably isn’t.

(Well it definitely isn’t in Ireland where there’s no such legislation but you get the idea).

The question is whether this crime was motivated by sectarian hatred, or just drunken high jinks etc.

Almost certainly the latter.

the_pen_turner

do the perpitrator have to be non catholic for this to be a hate crime.

if a gay man atacked another gay man because he was gay would that be any diferent than if a straight man did it

suicide_circus

the_pen_turner wrote: »

do the perpitrator have to be non catholic for this to be a hate crime.

if a gay man atacked another gay man because he was gay would that be any diferent than if a straight man did it

i think that example would still be a hate crime. as far as i can tell its the motivation behind it not the identity of the perpetrator

kneemos

Franz Von Peppercorn II wrote: »

No it’s not.

For the hard of thinking, here is all that I said.

This could be a hate crime but probably isn’t.

(Well it definitely isn’t in Ireland where there’s no such legislation but you get the idea).

The question is whether this crime was motivated by sectarian hatred, or just drunken high jinks etc.

Almost certainly the latter.

Or both,or neither.

Odhinn

Franz Von Peppercorn II wrote: »

We don’t know the reason here. And can atheists be sectarian? Maybe.

Seeing one decapitation of a statue as a hate crime, and another as not does in fact depend on the circumstances. However it can in fact be a hate crime.

As far as I know the poster who incredulously asked how this could be considered a hate crime is from a jurisdiction where it mostly certainly would be.

It’s a strange question to ask.

It might be, but odds are its a pissed eejit crime.

Franz Von Peppercorn II

Odhinn wrote: »

It might be, but odds are its a pissed eejit crime.

That’s all I’m saying!

screamer

Feral kids on summer holiday.... simples. Little scrotes just getting started on their lawless paths.

And sheesh, when did a prank become s hate crime? Be jaysus we’re gone very precious altogether

kneemos

Metoerites get away with murder.

Odhinn

kneemos wrote: »

Metoerites get away with murder.

Tis true enough. Millions of Dinos dead, no one ever charged.

LETHAL LADY

I reckon twas John Kiely's men trying to psych us out.

Gimme A Pound

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

Most of you here are Catholic.

You can never leave the Church after you're Confirmed.


It's sad to to see this apathy. When you're dying on your death bed you'll be repenting and praying to all the Saints.


Believe me I've seen it first hand with family

A person can't pretend to believe in something they don't believe in. As long as I leave you to your religious beliefs and practices and respect that that's your belief/faith (and I do) you should imo respect that I don't believe - I can't. I'd imagine it is a really nice thing, very comforting - and lovely messages and values come from the interpretation of new testament Christianity that Christ appealed for, and it is awesome when it helps people turn their lives around after prison, drug addiction etc, but I simply cannot force myself to believe.

You either do or don't, or don't know what to think.

JustAThought

Franz Von Peppercorn II wrote: »

Worth mentioning that in another thread. It is interesting how working class areas are abandoned.

Houses going here for from 400-650k. Everybody working - not "working" class.


Re.religion I agree..it's very rare to not have a religious funeral -despite what the papers wpuld have you believe.very few people take that risk.

Church on Tuesday

Franz Von Peppercorn II wrote: »

No it’s not.

For the hard of thinking, here is all that I said.

This could be a hate crime but probably isn’t.

(Well it definitely isn’t in Ireland where there’s no such legislation but you get the idea).

The question is whether this crime was motivated by sectarian hatred, or just drunken high jinks etc.

Almost certainly the latter.

In either case it's still a pathetic act of destruction of public property.

We bang on about the vandalism, rightly, of the Luke Kelly statue yet the neck-beard edge-lords(and some ladies) here that are still sticking it to the CC post secondary school cheer this ****e on like it's some kind of act of heroism. Go figure.

I'm not religious in the slightest, this statue means jot all to me but there's many for whom this statue does mean or represent something positive to them.

But hey every Catholic and institution is vermin so...

kneemos

JustAThought wrote: »

Houses going here for from 400-650k. Everybody working - not "working" class.


Re.religion I agree..it's very rare to not have a religious funeral -despite what the papers wpuld have you believe.very few people take that risk.

Fifteen percent in 2016 were non religious. A decent number given the captive audience they had back in the day.



https://www.irishcentral.com/news/irishvoice/more-irish-opt-for-non-religious-funerals

OldMrBrennan83

Are people not allowed to be Catholic at all these days? Just more of the "change everything" attitude of people who want to wipe their own country out.

Timberrrrrrrr

OldMrBrennan83 wrote: »

Are people not allowed to be Catholic at all these days? Just more of the "change everything" attitude of people who want to wipe their own country out.

You can be a tuxedo wearing catholic fire breathing dragon for all i care, how is anyone trying to "wipe their own country out"?

OldMrBrennan83

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

You can be a tuxedo wearing catholic fire breathing dragon for all i care, how is anyone trying to "wipe their own country out"?

That's just a general attitude the new breed of 'Irish' people have. Anything that used to be done MUST be changed simply because it used to be done.
That's not for this thread though, just that the attitude to Catholicism is just another element of it.

Aren't you a protestant Briton anyway? I can't see why you're interested in hate crimes in Tipperary. Are you looking for ideas or something?

kneemos

OldMrBrennan83 wrote: »

That's just a general attitude the new breed of 'Irish' people have. Anything that used to be done MUST be changed simply because it used to be done.
That's not for this thread though, just that the attitude to Catholicism is just another element of it.

Aren't you a protestant Briton anyway? I can't see why you're interested in hate crimes in Tipperary. Are you looking for ideas or something?

The new breed of 'Irish' are just as Irish as the old breed.

Change happens in every generation.

OldMrBrennan83

kneemos wrote: »

The new breed of 'Irish' are just as Irish as the old breed.

Change happens in every generation.

These are a disgrace to the country and they'll end up selling us out and back to Britain before all is said and done.

Church on Tuesday

OldMrBrennan83 wrote: »

These are a disgrace to the country and they'll end up selling us out and back to Britain before all is said and done.

Ah, cop yourself on with that ****e.

OldMrBrennan83

Church on Tuesday wrote: »

Ah, cop yourself on with that ****e.

They crave kudos for being progressive and modern. They'll end this country in an effort to get them.

Church on Tuesday

OldMrBrennan83 wrote: »

They crave kudos for being progressive and modern. They'll end this country in an effort to get them.

What, English people !?

You do realise some four million English are Catholic right?

Stop trying to derail the thread just because you don't like the English.