Willie Frazer has died

steddyeddy

janfebmar wrote: »

He had for years as far as is known, like many tens of thousands of people who served in the security services had.

J it's usually hard to make hard not tail of your posts but you're saying Willie Frazer might have had a gun because so did many of the security forces?

steddyeddy

janfebmar wrote: »

Your link only states a journalist who "thought" Adam's had a firearm.

Based on evidence J. Can you dispute he does?

janfebmar

steddyeddy wrote: »

Based on evidence J. Can you dispute he does?

The journalist thought Adam's had a gun licence. Evidence from when he was shot indicate he probably had not. I could'nt care less if he has or not, but if you state he has, you should provide a link to that effect.

FrancieBrady

Ha ha ha, presents no evidence Willie had a gun, blithely ignores again and again, the number of guns in NI.
Ignores report after report that Frazer had application turned down because of his association with loyalist paramilitaries.

Really has turned into a comedy.

janfebmar

steddyeddy wrote: »

J it's usually hard to make hard not tail of your posts but you're saying Willie Frazer might have had a gun because so did many of the security forces?

"make hard not tail"? Do try harder with your grammar, steddyeddy.

Frazer served in the army for 9 years as far as I remember, and back then most if not all security force personnel were entitled to be armed off duty, as far as I know.

steddyeddy

janfebmar wrote: »

The journalist thought Adam's had a gun licence. Evidence from when he was shot indicate he probably had not. I could'nt care less if he has or not, but if you state he has, you should provide a link to that effect.

I did J. Several members of SF have gun licenses. The PSNI didn't do anything to disagree with this either. They did however go out of their way to say that Frazer hadn't got one due to terrorist links.

realdanbreen

Oh come on guys let's stop this bickering and act like grown ups. I've an idea why not have a big bonfire on Friday 12th and we can burn flags and posters and get drunk and sing sectarian songs!

janfebmar

steddyeddy wrote: »

. Several members of SF have gun licenses.

Is that all? That is an astonishingly low number, given that there are something like 44,000 gun licences in N Ireland.

steddyeddy

janfebmar wrote: »

"make hard not tail"? Do try harder with your grammar, steddyeddy.

Frazer served in the army for 9 years as far as I remember, and back then most if not all security force personnel were entitled to be armed off duty, as far as I know.

A former army member wasn't allowed to have a gun yet Gerry Adams apparent head of the IRA got one? Says it all really.

janfebmar

steddyeddy wrote: »

A former army member wasn't allowed to have a gun yet Gerry Adams apparent head of the IRA got one? Says it all really.

Most former army members do not need one. There is no proof Gerry Adam's TD has one either.

careless sherpa

janfebmar wrote: »

"make hard not tail"? Do try harder with your grammar, steddyeddy.

Frazer served in the army for 9 years as far as I remember, and back then most if not all security force personnel were entitled to be armed off duty, as far as I know.

Goes to show the calibre of people they were letting into the army. Give an unstable sectarian bigot a gun and a bit of authority

FrancieBrady

There is proof and a reason why Willie didn't have one. i.e. His connection to paramilitaries.

Firearms are available to those connected in the past to paramilitaries though, as evidenced.

steddyeddy

janfebmar wrote: »

Most former army members do not need one. There is no proof Gerry Adam's TD has one either.

Maybe they don't need one but I'm sure most aren't denied one because they were associates of terrorists. Put it this way it's more likely that Adams has one rather than Frazer .

realdanbreen

FrancieBrady wrote: »

There is proof and a reason why Willie didn't have one. i.e. His connection to paramilitaries.

Firearms are available to those connected in the past to paramilitaries though, as evidenced.

The fact that he was half mad probably didn't help either!

FrancieBrady

realdanbreen wrote: »

The fact that he was half mad probably didn't help either!

'Mad' with bitterness and hate. No doubt about that.

janfebmar

careless sherpa wrote: »

Goes to show the calibre of people they were letting into the army. Give an unstable sectarian bigot a gun and a bit of authority

Ah now, just because Fraser went to a Catholic national school and played GAA does not make him a sectarian bigot. He said many times and others said of him, it was not Catholics he hated, it was the pira / extremist Republicans. Probably understandable as they killed his father and 5 other close family members.

steddyeddy

janfebmar wrote: »

Ah now, just because Fraser went to a Catholic national school and played GAA does not make him a sectarian bigot.

Showing your true colours now J.

janfebmar

steddyeddy wrote: »

Showing your true colours now J.

It is true about Fraser, he did play GAA. Does that make him a bigot? I don't think so.

steddyeddy

janfebmar wrote: »

It is true about Fraser, he did play GAA. Does that make him a bigot? I don't think so.

I don't know what you think J. Previous versions of you have ranged from a Gerry Adams admiring unionist, to a Willie Frazer admiring nationalist.

janfebmar

steddyeddy wrote: »

I don't know what you think J. Previous versions of you have ranged from a Gerry Adams admiring unionist, to a Willie Frazer admiring nationalist.

Other versions of you include a sf admirer / defender, with 20,000 posts defending Sinn Fein, and pira activities in the past, yet you never voted SF in your life. Or so you say.

Pedro K

janfebmar wrote: »

The journalist thought Adam's had a gun licence. Evidence from when he was shot indicate he probably had not. I could'nt care less if he has or not, but if you state he has, you should provide a link to that effect.

Like if you state that 99% of people in NI are denied firearms licences for the specific reason that they associate with paramilitaries, you should provide a link to that effect. Otherwise, give your head a wobble. Your inconsistency is ridiculous.

janfebmar

Pedro K wrote: »

Like if you state that 99% of people in NI are denied firearms licences for the specific reason that they associate with paramilitaries, you should provide a link to that effect. Otherwise, give your head a wobble. Your inconsistency is ridiculous.

99% of civilians (non security related) have no need for a firearms licence. The government is trying to, and has, reduced the amount of firearms licences. See the Northern Ireland Order 2004, as far as I remember.

FrancieBrady

:D:D:D:D Steddyeddy has 20,000 posts defending Sinn Fein, and pira activities in the past. :D:D

We can see who Willie left his scattergun of spurious allegations to anyhow.

Pedro K

janfebmar wrote: »

99% of civilians (non security related) have no need for a firearms licence. The government is trying to, and has, reduced the amount of firearms licences. See the Northern Ireland Order 2004, as far as I remember.

Except that's not what you said, is it?

steddyeddy

janfebmar wrote: »

99% of civilians (non security related) have no need for a firearms licence. The government is trying to, and has, reduced the amount of firearms licences. See the Northern Ireland Order 2004, as far as I remember.

99% have no need? Glad to know Gerry Adams was one of the 1% who do need one.

janfebmar

FrancieBrady wrote: »

:D:D:D:D Steddyeddy has 20,000 posts defending Sinn Fein, and pira activities in the past. :D:D

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It has already been questioned if davycc and you are the same, what about you and steddyeddy?

janfebmar

steddyeddy wrote: »

99% have no need? Glad to know Gerry Adams was one of the 1% who do need one.

Other TDs do not have one, I doubt if he has one either.
When he was attacked once in N Ireland he did not have one.

FrancieBrady

Poster has inherited the tinfoil hat too, it seems.

pablo128

janfebmar wrote: »

I never followed him on Facebook.

You probably never heard of him before this thread started.

janfebmar

Deflection, fails to answer point. Do try harder Francie.

Franz Von Peppercorn II

janfebmar wrote: »

Other TDs do not have one, I doubt if he has one either.
When he was attacked once in N Ireland he did not have one.

Mary. Are you not joining the marching up north? Join in with the fleg burners?.

They’d be delighted to see you no doubt, and admire those lovely fenian tones.

You can also look around British Ireland and see if it’s the place for you.

FrancieBrady

pablo128 wrote: »

You probably never heard of him before this thread started.

The poster has shown herself to be spectacularly uninformed on the subject alright.

Seeing Frazer as only a victim campaigner is just ludicrious. His primary effect on Irish life was as a loyalist agitator.

janfebmar

pablo128 wrote: »

You probably never heard of him before this thread started.

Of course I had heard of him, he is quite well known. Even before the Love Ulster victims parade. Unlike Francie though, I have better things to be doing than following him on social media. A bit creepy for a known supporter of the pIRA (someone who supported pIRA actions) to be following a victims spokesperson on social media, but there you go.

FanadMan

There is something wrong in the last few pages. There has been no mention of the genocide (according to some people).

Jesus, there has been enough death and destruction from both sides. Some seem to want to keep the ****e going - Real/New IRA, Unionists/Loyalists/Orangemen....you all just want to keep stirring the pot of **** and pick at the scabs.

Why the hell don't the lot of you just **** off and die and just leave 21st century people to get on with things. You lot are living 20+ years ago and all that ****e should be left where it is......in the history books.

FrancieBrady

FanadMan wrote: »

There is something wrong in the last few pages. There has been no mention of the genocide (according to some people).

Jesus, there has been enough death and destruction from both sides. Some seem to want to keep the ****e going - Real/New IRA, Unionists/Loyalists/Orangemen....you all just want to keep stirring the pot of **** and pick at the scabs.

Why the hell don't the lot of you just **** off and die and just leave 21st century people to get on with things. You lot are living 20+ years ago and all that ****e should be left where it is......in the history books.

You alright there?

Far from being an unhinged "victims' campaigner" whom we can laugh at, it seems from BBC Spotlight this week that the real Willie Frazer was responsible for the murder of numerous innocent Irish nationalists.

MI5 destroyed material on NI security force collusion – BBC documentary

The programme also revealed that victims campaigner Willie Frazer was former UDA commander Johnny Adair’s contact within the loyalist paramilitary group Ulster Resistance in the 1990s, and was its key distributor of automatic rifles and rocket launchers.

Adair told the programme the weapons it received from Ulster Resistance were “a Godsend” and led to an escalation of loyalist violence.

Jimmy Garlic

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wxpYW_w5pgo

Scoundrel

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Far from being an unhinged "victims' campaigner" whom we can laugh at, it seems from BBC Spotlight this week that the real Willie Frazer was responsible for the murder of numerous innocent Irish nationalists.

MI5 destroyed material on NI security force collusion – BBC documentary

Yeah I wonder will his defenders on here and elsewhere be as loud now the shameful spectacle of media and politicians describing this murdering bastard as a victims campaigner was sickening over 70 innocent Catholics murdered with guns this animal gave to DUP/UDA.

blinding

At least he has not Resurrected ! When I saw the thread I thought he might be back !

SharpshooterTom

https://twitter.com/SJAMcBride/status/1181343731498307584
https://twitter.com/Mon_The_Hoops81/status/1181443067074813953

I'm the OP to this thread as I mentioned earlier I hated his politics but thought he wasn't anything much more than a crazy sectarian blowhard, but if this stuff is true then certainly I would withdraw any sympathy for his death.

I don't hate people based on their background or whatever their political affiliations are, but I absolutely draw the line at those who think violence is acceptable in furthering their political aims especially killing innocent civilians.

careless sherpa

Always knew that Adair would start to tell all as he rots away in insignifance. Him and Frazer deserved eachother

The Satanist

Just another example of how every single facet of British involvement in Ireland is and has been hostile. Arms supplied to loyalists for decades, to the likes of Adair for sectarian killings, at best under the noses of the "security services" (or at worse with their help/ approval). They can never be trusted.

SharpshooterTom

https://twitter.com/JamieBrysonCPNI/status/1181467890140233728

He still has his supporters though evidently.

realdanbreen

ThomasFlynn wrote: »

https://twitter.com/JamieBrysonCPNI/status/1181467890140233728

He still has his supporters though evidently.

Sure wasn't Ulster Resistance the brainchild of the Reverend Ian Paisley. Himself and Peter Robinson delighted in marching around in their Red berets.

blinding

Kinda hard to take Fine Gael / FF / Lab seriously on the Irish Border and the North of Ireland when they turned a blind eye to what these people were doing in Ireland . I give the Dublin / Monaghan bombs as an example of that .

FrancieBrady

blinding wrote: »

Kinda hard to take Fine Gael / FF / Lab seriously on the Irish Border and the North of Ireland when they turned a blind eye to what these people were doing in Ireland . I give the Dublin / Monaghan bombs as an example of that .

There is no doubt that FG and lately FF, under M. Martin were more than willing to remain silent on characters like this. happy to let them indulge their fantasies of being peacemakers/reformed if they attacked SF reps politically or damaged them.
SF reps deserve to be called out as much as anybody but this 'look the other way' activity of FG is at best, mercenary and at worst, sinister.

Did Willie ever get a photo-op on the steps of the Dail one wonders?

MrAbyss

I was convinced he was a psychological weapon created by Sinn Fein to make them look sane.

padd b1975

realdanbreen wrote: »

Sure wasn't Ulster Resistance the brainchild of the Reverend Ian Paisley. Himself and Peter Robinson delighted in marching around in their Red berets.

Lol.

While waving gun licences in the air!

Uncle Charlie

ThomasFlynn wrote: »

https://twitter.com/SJAMcBride/status/1181343731498307584
https://twitter.com/Mon_The_Hoops81/status/1181443067074813953

I'm the OP to this thread as I mentioned earlier I hated his politics but thought he wasn't anything much more than a crazy sectarian blowhard, but if this stuff is true then certainly I would withdraw any sympathy for his death.

I don't hate people based on their background or whatever their political affiliations are, but I absolutely draw the line at those who think violence is acceptable in furthering their political aims especially killing innocent civilians.

Not sure if I believe the fake news media about this.



Wasn't Frazer suppose to be against terrorism ?

Odhinn

Uncle Charlie wrote: »

Not sure if I believe the fake news media about this.



Wasn't Frazer suppose to be against terrorism ?

...against Republican terrorism.