Willie Frazer has died

janfebmar

FTA69 wrote: »

Yes they were.

Not according to what I read. And there was no suggestion Frazer was involved or connected in any way.

FrancieBrady

citytillidie wrote: »

How is this still going?

Because somebody is trying desperately to do that most despicable and dishonest thing...reinvent somebody after they have died.

They spend their whole time berating people because she imagines they are condoning or supporting paramilitaries while holding up one who thought that loyalist paramilitaries (who chose people solely because of what religion they were for brutal deaths) were right and should not have gone to jail.

Could you write a more surreal plot?

janfebmar

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Because somebody is trying desperately to do that most despicable and dishonest thing...reinvent somebody after they have died.

Correct, you are right there Francis, some people are trying to turn a victims spokesperson in to something else. Frazer condemned the murder of innocent protestants and innocent Catholics. We are still waiting for you to condemn the paramilitaries on BOTH sides.

pablo128

janfebmar wrote: »

Correct, you are right there Francis, some people are trying to turn a victims spokesperson in to something else. Frazer condemned the murder of innocent protestants and innocent Catholics. We are still waiting for you to condemn the paramilitaries on BOTH sides.

We are still waiting for you to provide a link as to why 99% of applicants for a handgun are refused.

steddyeddy

Isn't it sad that not one unionist poster was brave enough to admit they actually admire this guy?

janfebmar

steddyeddy wrote: »

Isn't it sad that not one unionist poster was brave enough to admit they actually admire this guy?

I do not think many unionists visit this site. And was he very admirable? He had his faults, like everyone else. But he had guts to speak out on behalf of victims of Republican violence. Simon Coveney our tanaiste said words praising him as a victims spokesperson.

janfebmar

pablo128 wrote: »

We are still waiting for you to provide a link as to why 99% of applicants for a handgun are refused.

As said before , Firearms (Northern Ireland) order 2004. Read it for yourself. Do try harder.

We are still waiting for you to condemn the paramilitaries on BOTH sides.

Odhinn

janfebmar wrote: »

No. Happened somewhere else. Nothing to do with the bar Frazer once worked in; which may have had an unrelated uvf man drink there one. Nice try though.

A UVF gang were drinking there, where they targeted the two young lads killed.

FrancieBrady

Odhinn wrote: »

A UVF gang were drinking there, where they targeted the two young lads killed.

In order to defend Frazer you have to lie a great deal about his past. That is what is happening here.

Dreadful exploitation again.

janfebmar

Odhinn wrote: »

A UVF gang were drinking there, where they targeted the two young lads killed.

So you would criticize a person who once worked in a pub , because other people who once visited the pub may have drunk in the pub and thought up a plan to " target two young lads "in the country?

steddyeddy

janfebmar wrote: »

I do not think many unionists visit this site. And was he very admirable? He had his faults, like everyone else. But he had guts to speak out on behalf of victims of Republican violence. Simon Coveney our tanaiste said words praising him as a victims spokesperson.

Yes several unionists visit this site. Most actually denounce him as crazy.

janfebmar

steddyeddy wrote: »

Yes several unionists visit this site. Most actually denounce him as crazy.

Your statistical sample is too small in order to draw any conclusions. Sure Frazer had his difficulties and was not perfect, but do not forget Republicans murdered 6 close members of his family, so maybe he was a bit crazy.. According to the media I think the leaders of all the unionist parties also attended his funeral.

10000maniacs

Who? Was he a boxer too?

Jimmy Garlic

janfebmar wrote: »

So you would criticize a person who once worked in a pub , because other people who once visited the pub may have drunk in the pub and thought up a plan to " target two young lads "in the country?

He RAN THE PLACE. He didn't just work there, it was his bar. A well known at the time watering hole for the UVF who went on to murder two young protestant lads who happened to stray into Willys bar, they said something about some UVF commander then got murdered for that by a couple of Willys regulars.

_blaaz

janfebmar wrote: »

No. Happened somewhere else. Nothing to do with the bar Frazer once worked in; which may have had an unrelated uvf man drink there one. Nice try though.

Your outright lying now?

Them 2 young lads got in a scrap,while playing pool afaik,in that bar for slagging a recently killed uvf man (killed by the lvf iirc)


They were lured to an attack and given a pretty brutal death by all accounts....this isnt anything close to what your trying to paint it as


Frazer stand up for innocent victims me hole,never once spoke up for them two young lads.......but theres no money to be made for speaking out for people killed in loyalist fueds it seems?



Edit:near certain another young lad was blinded in that pub with a pool cue aswell,in a seperate incident

FrancieBrady

_blaaz wrote: »

Your outright lying now?

Them 2 young lads got in a scrap,while playing pool afaik,in that bar for slagging a recently killed uvf man (killed by the lvf iirc)


They were lured to an attack and given a pretty brutal death by all accounts....this isnt anything close to what your trying to paint it as


Frazer stand up for innocent victims me hole,never once spoke up for them two young lads.......but theres no money to be made for speaking out for people killed in loyalist fueds it seems?



Edit:near certain another young lad was blinded in that pub with a pool cue aswell,in a seperate incident

I think he actually claimed at one time that the killings were part of a plot against him.
The father of one of the victims accused Frazer of withholding info on a radio programme too.

Odhinn

janfebmar wrote: »

So you would criticize a person who once worked in a pub , because other people who once visited the pub may have drunk in the pub and thought up a plan to " target two young lads "in the country?

Who owned a pub. Who was a fellow traveller and associate of the UVF.

steddyeddy

janfebmar wrote: »

Your statistical sample is too small in order to draw any conclusions. Sure Frazer had his difficulties and was not perfect, but do not forget Republicans murdered 6 close members of his family, so maybe he was a bit crazy.. According to the media I think the leaders of all the unionist parties also attended his funeral.

Jan you're not even a unionist so I don't think you should be speaking for them.

Scoundrel

Jimmy Garlic wrote: »

He RAN THE PLACE. He didn't just work there, it was his bar. A well known at the time watering hole for the UVF who went on to murder two young protestant lads who happened to stray into Willys bar, they said something about some UVF commander then got murdered for that by a couple of Willys regulars.

Yes and he would have been running that bar for the UVF

janfebmar

Scoundrel wrote: »

Yes and he would have been running that bar for the UVF

Link? No proof or suggestion on the internet I can see that he ran the bar for the UVF and no proof he knew anything about some customer from the bar killing 2 people out in the countryside. Plenty to show he stood up for victims and victims families.

steddyeddy

janfebmar wrote: »

Link? No proof or suggestion on the internet I can see that he ran the bar for the UVF and no proof he knew anything about some customer from the bar killing 2 people out in the countryside. Plenty to show he stood up for victims and victims families.

In fairness J plenty of people from the unionist community say otherwise. They distance himself from him because of his UVF connections. How could you know him better than the unionist community?

FrancieBrady

steddyeddy wrote: »

In fairness J plenty of people from the unionist community say otherwise. They distance himself from him because of his UVF connections. How could you know him better than the unionist community?

Extraordinary continued defence of this man from janfebmar, who lectures and berates anybody who utters even a bit of support or understanding of republican paramilitaries.

We know exactly who Frazer trenchantly supported and what he seen no wrong in, just by reviewing what he is on record as saying.

mikeym

I'll miss his funny videos on Facebook even though I disagreed with everything he said.

R.I.P

citytillidie

So people who lost family members should act like this man is that what you are saying ?

janfebmar

steddyeddy wrote: »

In fairness J plenty of people from the unionist community say otherwise. They distance himself from him because of his UVF connections. How could you know him better than the unionist community?

You still have not provided a link for your conspiracy theory. Nobody from the unionist community is linking him with the UVF, and as far as I know the leaders of all unionist parties were at his funeral or sent representatives . Nobody ever accused him of being in the UVF and it was not a paramilitary funeral.

steddyeddy

janfebmar wrote: »

You still have not provided a link for your conspiracy theory. Nobody from the unionist community is linking him with the UVF, and as far as I know the leaders of all unionist parties were at his funeral or sent representatives . Nobody ever accused him of being in the UVF and it was not a paramilitary funeral.

With all due respect J I'm friends with people from the unionist community in Northern Ireland you're far removed from those. You've no frame of reference so you're making it up on the spot.

janfebmar

steddyeddy wrote: »

With all due respect J I'm friends with people from the unionist community in Northern Ireland you're far removed from those.

With due respect steddyeddy I have friends also from various backgrounds in N Ireland. If you think Fraser had no respect or support in his community, can you explain why leading politicians like Arlene was at his funeral and spoke highly of him?

FrancieBrady

The reason why Unionist politicians were at his funeral is the same reason they attend Orange marches or won't condemn bigotry at bonfires and at those marches = votes.

janfebmar

FrancieBrady wrote: »

The reason why Unionist politicians were at his funeral .....

Why did so many families of victims on social media support Frazer so?

Fionn1952

janfebmar wrote: »

Why did so many families of victims on social media support Frazer so?

Why did so many condemn him, Mary?

janfebmar

Fionn1952 wrote: »

Why did so many condemn him, Mary?

Willie Frazer was an outspoken campaigner on behalf of victims of republican violence during the N. Ireland Troubles, so not surprising many Republicans condemned him. Some even attacked him. However many people from the community the Republicans had attacked seemed to respect him, judging by thousands of comments on social media. Arlene Foster at the funeral paid tribute to the ‘fearless’ and ‘tireless’ Loyalist victims’ campaigner, as did other DUP politicians and the leader of the Ulster Unionist Party Robin Swann who were also in attendance.

steddyeddy

janfebmar wrote: »

With due respect steddyeddy I have friends also from various backgrounds in N Ireland. If you think Fraser had no respect or support in his community, can you explain why leading politicians like Arlene was at his funeral and spoke highly of him?

Well again J you've previously said you had nothing to do with the unionist community. Arelene also attended Martin McGuiness' funeral. If she didn't respect or support the Provisional IRA why did she do that?

janfebmar

steddyeddy wrote: »

Well again J you've previously said you had nothing to do with the unionist community.

You are making up stuff again. I said I know people from different backgrounds in N Ireland ( when you insinuated I did not). You are getting confused again.
And this thread is on a victims campaigner, someone who lost 6 close family members targeted by Republicans, and who highlighted atrocities like Kingsmill etc. Nice try at deflection though.

FrancieBrady

steddyeddy wrote: »

Well again J you've previously said you had nothing to do with the unionist community. Arelene also attended Martin McGuiness' funeral. If she didn't respect or support the Provisional IRA why did she do that?

Janfebmar will ignore that Arlene also attended McGuinness's funeral.
Anybody with any understanding will know that Arlene would have wanted to be anywhere else on the planet. She attended because of political pressure.
The exact same pressures to attend the funeral, brought to bear by voters in her base that have the same outlook as Willie had.

There is a reason there are jokes about politician's attending funerals.

steddyeddy

janfebmar wrote: »

You are making up stuff again. I said I know people from different backgrounds in N Ireland ( when you insinuated I did not). You are getting confused again.
And this thread is on a victims campaigner, someone who lost 6 close family members targeted by Republicans, and who highlighted atrocities like Kingsmill etc. Nice try at deflection though.

But J Arelene also went to Martin McGuiness' funeral. By your standards she must be an IRA member. It's irrelevant if she went to Frazer's funeral.

steddyeddy

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Janfebmar will ignore that Arlene also attended McGuinness's funeral.
Anybody with any understanding will know that Arlene would have wanted to be anywhere else on the planet. She attended because of political pressure.
The exact same pressures to attend the funeral, brought to bear by voters in her base that have the same outlook as Willie had.

There is a reason there are jokes about politician's attending funerals.

Ah in fairness he/she's good for a laugh

janfebmar

steddyeddy wrote: »

But J Arelene also went to Martin McGuiness' funeral. By your standards she must be an IRA member.

Was McGuinness not a government employee though, and the man who helped get the pira to surrender its weapons/ get them put beyond use?

Frazer was a friend of hers, it was said they chatted on the phone every few weeks. They both had a father attacked by Republicans, a lot in common, like thousands of others.

FrancieBrady

steddyeddy wrote: »

Ah in fairness he/she's good for a laugh

Amazing and hilarious to read the gyrations and gymnastics on this thread in particular.

A loudmouthed bigot (fact, and on the record) and loyalist agitator,(fact and on the record) and associate of loyalist paramilitaries, (fact and on the record) and suspected of fraud and who was forced to leave the groups he set up has his funeral attended almost exclusively by Unionist politicians in the month when those same Unionist politicians will remain silent on repeated instances of bigotry and loyalist agitation.

Jimmy Garlic

janfebmar wrote: »

Was McGuinness not a government employee though, and the man who helped get the pira to surrender its weapons/ get them put beyond use?

Frazer was a friend of hers, it was said they chatted on the phone every few weeks. They both had a father attacked by Republicans, a lot in common, like thousands of others.

No surprises there, alot in common alright.they were both members of Ian Paisleys free puritianical cult. They would both hated taigs just as much, Arlene had to tone down her hatred of popeish fenians, at least in public.

janfebmar

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Amazing and hilarious to read the gyrations and gymnastics on this thread in particular.

A loudmouthed bigot (fact, and on the record) and .

Did not read the rest of your post. Frazer has said many times, and it was said by others, he had nothing against ordinary Roman Catholics, it was the pIRA he hated. So if that makes him a bigot so be it. He was not a bigot against Catholics when he attended a Catholic school and played gaa. He was a bigot against extremist Republicans when they murdered his father and 5 other close relatives.

FrancieBrady

Jimmy Garlic wrote: »

No surprises there, alot in common alright.they were both members of Ian Paisleys free puritianical cult. They would both hated taigs just as much, Arlene had to tone down her hatred of popeish fenians, at least in public.

Arlene is the leader of a community that will go ballistic if you attend the wrong football match, the wrong commemoration in Dublin or the wrong funeral, or shake the wrong hand.

Look at the angst she went through in deciding to attend a flipping football match, the respectful and inclusive commemoration of an event 100 years ago, the funeral of a colleague in government? All within the last few years.

steddyeddy

janfebmar wrote: »

Did not read the rest of your post. Frazer has said many times, and it was said by others, he had nothing against ordinary Roman Catholics, it was the pIRA he hated. So if that makes him a bigot so be it. He was not a bigot against Catholics when he attended a Catholic school and played gaa. He was a bigot against extremist Republicans when they murdered his father and 5 other close relatives.

Actually J Willie was also known to tell people to vote Sinn Fein/IRA when it suited him.

Here's a video of him praising the provos.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=18icwdL_A2Y

janfebmar

steddyeddy wrote: »

Actually J Willie was also known to tell people to vote Sinn Fein/IRA when it suited him.

Here's a video of him praising the provos.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=18icwdL_A2Y

He must have really annoyed some Republicans when they went to the trouble of stitching that together lol

Jimmy Garlic

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Arlene is the leader of a community that will go ballistic if you attend the wrong football match, the wrong commemoration in Dublin or the wrong funeral, or shake the wrong hand.

Look at the angst she went through in deciding to attend a flipping football match, the respectful and inclusive commemoration of an event 100 years ago, the funeral of a colleague in government? All within the last few years.

She came a lot further than wee Willy who freaked out and knee jerked when he saw an Italian flag at a primary school and called an IRA training camp. Willy was an attention seeker, a sh!t stirrer an an unintentional comedian. Wouldn't surprise me if he burnt his own car for the attention, probably wouldn't have surprised the psni either.

steddyeddy

janfebmar wrote: »

He must have really annoyed some Republicans when they went to the trouble of stitching that together lol

Ha ha the thing is some unionists actually thought that was really and went on the attack at Willie as a result

FrancieBrady

Jimmy Garlic wrote: »

She came a lot further than wee Willy who freaked out and knee jerked when he saw an Italian flag at a primary school and called an IRA training camp. Willy was an attention seeker, a sh!t stirrer an an unintentional comedian. Wouldn't surprise me if he burnt his own car for the attention, probably wouldn't have surprised the psni either.

Trying to paint Willie as anything but a sad bigot is pointless.

Membership of Free Presbyterian Church Of Ulster and the Orange Order automatically and immediately makes you anti-Roman Catholic and the defenders of Orangism and Free Presbyterians can try to deny that all day long. It is pointless.

Both security forces on this island the RUC/PSNI and the Gardai have made public allegations that Willie was associated with loyalist paramilitary groups like the Red Hand Defenders (see Smithwick Tribunal and Willies ludicrous attempt to get a legal gun)

janfebmar

Jimmy Garlic wrote: »

Wouldn't surprise me if he burnt his own car for the attention, .

And how would you explain the numerous violent assaults on him by Republicans, some of them caught on video?

steddyeddy

janfebmar wrote: »

And how would you explain the numerous violent assaults on him by Republicans, some of them caught on video?

J you're saying nonsensical statements about denial of gun licences and poo being dropped from planes and you think people owe you a explanation of their posts?

janfebmar

steddyeddy wrote: »

J you're saying nonsensical statements about denial of gun licences and poo being dropped from planes and you think people owe you a explanation of their posts?

I did not make nonsensical statements, so please stop suggesting I did as a way of diverting the subject. Again, we ask you to explain the numerous violent assaults on Frazer by Republicans, including some caught on video ?

FrancieBrady

steddyeddy wrote: »

J you're saying nonsensical statements about denial of gun licences and poo being dropped from planes and you think people owe you a explanation of their posts?

I remember Willie posting a video from his CCTV to his FB page of a man on a walking stick walking to his door and the two of them rolling on to the lawn in a 'fight'. (Looked more like the kiss scene in From Here to Eternity tbh! )

Willie was demanding action on it until somebody asked him how come his CCTV was able to follow the action and zoom in. Clearly somebody was there filming it all.

Set-up? You decide.