Antifa [Mod Warning on post #1 - updated 08/08/19]

SEPT 23 1989

If you can’t show your face you don’t really have the conviction of your beliefs

_blaaz

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

If you can’t show your face you don’t really have the conviction of your beliefs

What if they ugly though?

Boggles

Franz Von Peppercorn II wrote: »

A journalist is someone who gets paid for journalism. Or even does it for free. Generally an employee but not always.

So everyone essentially is a journalist.

Bit arbitrary to put it in the headline so.

Just as obvious to put in "Mad with beating heart Attacked".

20Cent

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

If you can’t show your face you don’t really have the conviction of your beliefs

Or don't want to joint the 50 people killed by white supremacists last year.

Boggles

peddlelies wrote: »

You wrote
After I posted a video of Trump supporters being attacked leaving a rally. You made your intention clear, don't have much time for playing stupid I'm afraid.

So from that you got this.

peddlelies wrote: »

So you agree that it's fine to sucker punch random people leaving Trump rallies. At least you've made your stance crystal clear, good man.

You may not have time for playing stupid but you are give it a fairly good rattle to be fair to you.

Kimsang

20Cent wrote: »

Antifa randomly beat up "journalists" but not this time. Maybe he did something since then to piss people off.

Patriot prayer organised it. It's well established they are a far right white nationalist and fascists.

These are the citations wikipedia gives for Patriot Prayer being a 'far right white nationalist group'

Patriot Prayer's events, designed to troll and taunt Portland progressives and antifascists, have regularly devolved into violent scrums. Saturday was no exception—despite a turnout of less than 100 people.

https://www.wweek.com/news/courts/2017/12/10/right-wing-slugger-tiny-toese-arrested-again-while-trolling-portland/

With permits now issued for five events this weekend in San Francisco’s Crissy Field, one of them organized by a right-wing group and the other four reportedly groups out to protest the right-wingers, the stage is being set for a possible showdown between white nationalists and a city that has come out roundly against them.

https://www.mercurynews.com/2017/08/23/whos-behind-this-weekends-right-wing-rally-at-crissy-field/


That's exactly how it works these days. Two Antifa 'journalists' label such groups as far right, then it gets a wikipedia definition, then it becomes common 'fact'. All without any citations.

This is what the BBC says:

According to the BBC, Patriot Prayer have been connected to the alt-right as well as other far-right groups. Gibson denies this, saying the group is neither white nationalist nor alt-right and that they support "freedom, love and peace". The group's stated aim is support of the First Amendment, free speech and to "liberate the conservatives on the West Coast".

Did the counter protesters have a legitimate point to protest or not? Stop avoiding the elephant with your smear tactics.

20Cent

Kimsang wrote: »

These are the citations wikipedia gives for Patriot Prayer being a 'far right white nationalist group'


https://www.wweek.com/news/courts/2017/12/10/right-wing-slugger-tiny-toese-arrested-again-while-trolling-portland/


https://www.mercurynews.com/2017/08/23/whos-behind-this-weekends-right-wing-rally-at-crissy-field/


That's exactly how it works these days. Two Antifa 'journalists' label such groups as far right, then it gets a wikipedia definition, then it becomes common 'fact'. All without any citations.

This is what the BBC says:




Did the counter protesters have a legitimate point to protest or not? Stop avoiding the elephant with your smear tactics.

Looked up the wikipedia on them. From the very first paragraph.

White nationalists as well as far-right groups, such as Proud Boys,[9] and Hell Shaking Street Preachers,[10][11][12] have attended the rallies organized by Patriot Prayer, sparking controversy and violence.[13][14][15]

MoashoaM

Matt Barrett wrote: »

FYI: Stalin, Pol Pot, Kim Jong Un and China aren't communist.

FYI: Antifa members I've seen identify as either Stalinists or Maoists. I guess they're not really communist either, just very malevolent.

Kimsang

20Cent wrote: »

Looked up the wikipedia on them. From the very first paragraph.

White nationalists as well as far-right groups, such as Proud Boys,[9] and Hell Shaking Street Preachers,[10][11][12] have attended the rallies organized by Patriot Prayer, sparking controversy and violence.[13][14][15]

First it was organized by the far-right, now far-right were in attendance. Nice shift of the goalposts to guilt by association.
Did this protest have reasonable people protesting or not? Was it fair for those people to meet those scumbag antifa there?

_blaaz

Kimsang wrote: »

First it was organized by the far-right, now far-right were in attendance. Nice shift of the goalposts to guilt by association.
Did this protest have reasonable people protesting or not? Was it fair for those people to meet those scumbag antifa there?

Mate patriot prayer is listed as a far right organisation on wikipedia?

Kimsang

_blaaz wrote: »

Mate patriot prayer is listed as a far right organisation on wikipedia?

Did you check the citations? North Korea is listed as the Democratic People's Republic.

Blueshoe

https://youtu.be/0aS6oz0iMrg

_blaaz

Kimsang wrote: »

Did you check the citations? North Korea is listed as the Democratic People's Republic.

That is north koreas name??


Your happy to accept wiki info once yous can dismiss it outta hand....but when ya cant go rooting through citations for weakest reason imaginable to man to dismiss it


How is that?

20Cent

Kimsang wrote: »

First it was organized by the far-right, now far-right were in attendance. Nice shift of the goalposts to guilt by association.
Did this protest have reasonable people protesting or not? Was it fair for those people to meet those scumbag antifa there?

As you acknowledge he brings racists, white supremacists and far right elements. These aren't "reasonable people". It's good the community came out to counter protest them.

Kimsang

20Cent wrote: »

As you acknowledge he brings racists, white supremacists and far right elements. These aren't "reasonable people". It's good the community came out to counter protest them.

They were raising awareness to men who had been falsely accused of sex crimes.

Go away with yourself..

20Cent

Kimsang wrote: »

They were raising awareness to men who had been falsely accused of sex crimes.

Go away with yourself..

Yeah and Patriot Prayer get together to pray for the country.
Naive.

Looked up that Him Too thing.
There was an event where victims of sexual assault were speaking about their experiences.
Patriot Prayer showed up at it with their crew of nazi's.

No wonder these guys keep getting beaten up.

Kimsang

20Cent wrote: »

Yeah and Patriot Prayer get together to pray for the country.
Naive.

Nice cop out.

There was an event where victims of sexual assault were speaking about their experiences.
Patriot Prayer showed up at it with their crew of nazi's.

Can you please provide evidence for your claims?

SnakePlissken

20Cent wrote: »

Patriot prayer organised it. It's well established they are a far right white nationalist and fascists.

This isn't correct at all, that an organisation founded by a person of colour, with members of many different races and sexualities could be smeared so easily as white nationalists to stem debate is pathetically disingenuous.

20Cent

Kimsang wrote: »

Nice cop out.



Can you please provide evidence for your claims?

You don't seem to even know anything about these events you keep commenting on. Look it up yourself.

20Cent

SnakePlissken wrote: »

This isn't correct at all, that an organisation founded by a person of colour, with members of many different races and sexualities could be smeared so easily as white nationalists to stem debate is pathetically disingenuous.

Just coincidence that nazis and white supremacists keep showing up at their events which usually cause a riot.

Kimsang

20Cent wrote: »

You don't seem to even know anything about these events you keep commenting on. Look it up yourself.

I know all about whats happening in Portland, I've been paying close attention to a long time now. I have read Ngo's articles in the past on Quillette, as others have, and this is precisely why this story has become so big. But it seems not many of boardsies, because apparently the font is not nice enough.

The argument, 'they were just fighting nazis' is so old at this stage, it's growing fungus.

We need to pay attention to the attack on Andy Ngo - CNN
Andy Ngo, a photojournalist and editor at the online magazine Quillette, who has made a cottage industry of exposing instances of manufactured hate crimes, was viciously assaulted while covering an Antifa rally held as a counter-protest to a rally of right-wing groups, including the Proud Boys, in Portland, Oregon.

https://edition.cnn.com/2019/07/02/opinions/antifa-andy-ngo-gagliano/index.html

Kimsang

20Cent wrote: »

Just coincidence that nazis and white supremacists keep showing up at their events which usually cause a riot.

If you label Antifa scum alongside nazis you can say the exact same thing for the other side. Do you not see the clear hypocrisy here?

Guilt by association fallacy

20Cent

Kimsang wrote: »

If you label Antifa scum alongside nazis you can say the exact same thing for the other side. Do you not see the clear hypocrisy here?

Guilt by association fallacy

Nope I'd be on the side without the nazis, white supremacists and fascists thanks.
Why do you support them?

Kimsang

20Cent wrote: »

Nope I'd be on the side without the nazis, white supremacists and fascists thanks.
Why do you support them?

Your circular arguments get tiresome.

manual_man wrote: »

https://twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1125177376546201601
When certain obstructionists become too irritating, label them, after suitable buildups, as fascist or Nazi or anti-Semitic, and use the prestige of antifascist and tolerance organizations to discredit them.

Danzy

We know that Antifa bashed a gay Vietnamese man, we know they have previously bashed a Jewish man at the door of a Jewish museum.

These attacks are not unusual for them.

Patriot Prayer sound far right but with their African American leader and multi racial mix, they appear to not be as far right as ANTIFA.

20Cent

Danzy wrote: »

We know that Antifa bashed a gay Vietnamese man, we know they have previously bashed a Jewish man at the door of a Jewish museum.

These attacks are not unusual for them.

Patriot Prayer sound far right but with their African American leader and multi racial mix, they appear to not be as far right as ANTIFA.

Who is their African American leader?

Danzy

20Cent wrote: »

Who is their African American leader?

Typo, Asian American.

Kimsang

20Cent wrote: »

Who is their African American leader?

Apparently he's part Japanese and part Irish aswell.

Blueshoe

20Cent wrote: »

Who is their African American leader?

Now what will you say?

Kimsang

Blueshoe wrote: »

Now what will you say?

Gibson expressed opposition to Antifa, a group that frequently protests at his events, and said regarding white nationalists, "I would say the same thing to them that I would say to any black nationalist or Mexican nationalists [sic] group, we have to drop the identity of politics and focus on what is on the inside."

What a raging nazi!