Antifa [Mod Warning on post #1 - updated 08/08/19]

p1akuw47h5r3it

snowblind wrote: »

Yet you haven't called the white nationalists terrorists, weird innit?

Wanna list some terrorist attacks by Antifa where they killed people? I've been asking this but it seems like......you can't find one. How are they terrorist. You don't like them because they oppose the good ol fascist boys?

I quite literally posted this today.

DanDan6592 wrote: »

Quite silly to say such a thing after this and other events. It's quite clear that White-nationalism is Americas biggest terrorist threat. I believe the FBI said as much a while ago (though it may have also been MI5 talking about Britain, I can't remember).

In saying that, I do believe the leftist media overstate the number and power of these groups in order to portray America as this huge racist country that's awful for minorities to live in, which isn't true.

You've no credibility.

See your problem is you are so entrenched in your support for anti-fa that you want to set anyone up who criticises them as far-right. This why you believe white-nationalism/supremacists are so prevalent, because it suits you to think this way. Regardless, you don't have to kill to be a terrorist or a terrorist group. You obviously are oblivious to the definition of a terrorism which is

the unlawful use of violence and intimidation, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political aims.

Anti-fa fit this definition.

Anyway, there is no point debating someone as dishonest as yourself. Good-luck.

snowblind

DanDan6592 wrote: »

I quite literally posted this today.



You've no credibility.

See your problem is you are so entrenched in your support for anti-fa that you want to set anyone up who criticises them as far-right. This why you believe white-nationalism/supremacists are so prevalent, because it suits you to think this way. Regardless, you don't have to kill to be a terrorist or a terrorist group. You obviously are oblivious to the definition of a terrorism which is



Anti-fa fit this definition.

Anyway, there is no point debating someone as dishonest as yourself. Good-luck.

So why don't you tell us some examples of "terrorist" antifa activity? You imply and imply, deflecting from the actual talk of actual terrorist murderers, but you offer no data. We have plenty of data of the actual far right terrorists. Is someone hiding the data on antifa violence and only you know about it?

snowblind

https://twitter.com/mtsw/status/1158370002933673985

klaaaz

snowblind wrote: »

So why don't you tell us some examples of "terrorist" antifa activity? You imply and imply, deflecting from the actual talk of actual terrorist murderers, but you offer no data. We have plenty of data of the actual far right terrorists. Is someone hiding the data on antifa violence and only you know about it?

They hurt the right wingers feelings, made them weep and cry when they were confronted about their hate for anyone but white supremacist!

Danzy

hill16bhoy wrote: »

"Supposedly" now equals truth, or something something

Says a lot, doesn't it

Antifa had nothing to do with the Dayton shooting

That is a fact

He fits the type of person in ANTIFA, I doubt they sanctioned it or approve, upper middle class with a love of violence, didn't like people who dared disagree, liked to control others.

He was of a type, mindset and outlook.

Danzy

snowblind wrote: »

Well Danzy is known to propagate nazi propaganda here. It's his schtick. He won't consider any articles that aren't from Stormfront or Breitbart or Fox :pac:

Lol.

Everyone is a Nazi.

p1akuw47h5r3it

snowblind wrote: »

So why don't you tell us some examples of "terrorist" antifa activity? You imply and imply, deflecting from the actual talk of actual terrorist murderers, but you offer no data. We have plenty of data of the actual far right terrorists. Is someone hiding the data on antifa violence and only you know about it?

Today, antifa activists focus on harassing right wing extremists both online and in real life. Antifa is not a unified group; it is loose collection of local/regional groups and individuals. Their presence at a protest is intended to intimidate and dissuade racists, but the use of violent measures by some antifa against their adversaries can create a vicious, self-defeating cycle of attacks, counter-attacks and blame. This is why most established civil rights organizations criticize antifa tactics as dangerous and counterproductive.

Antifa have expanded their definition of fascist/fascism to include not just white supremacists and other extremists, but also many conservatives and supporters of President Trump. In Berkeley, for example, some antifa were captured on video harassing Trump supporters with no known extremist connections. Antifa have also falsely characterized some recent right wing rallies as “Nazi” events, even though they were not actually white supremacist in nature.

https://www.adl.org/resources/backgrounders/who-are-the-antifa

Now, regardless of their motives, they are engaging in unlawful violence and intimidation against civilians. This meets the definition of terrorism.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gJuHh_jUjd0

Watch all of it or particularly from 2.00 minutes onwards to see people being assaulted.

Watch the Andy Ngo videos. Regardless of whether you like him or not he was assaulted quite clearly.

snowblind

Danzy wrote: »

Lol.

Everyone is a Nazi.

Nah, but nazis exist, nazis murder people, and some people will for *some reason* keep claiming they don't really do it as much as news report they do, while offering no counterevidence. Weird huh?

snowblind

Danzy wrote: »

He fits the type of person in ANTIFA, I doubt they sanctioned it or approve, upper middle class with a love of violence, didn't like people who dared disagree, liked to control others.

He was of a type, mindset and outlook.

"of a type, mindset and outlook" lol

Also you just claim that without any facts to back up your argument.

he played in a pornogrind metal band called "menstrual munchies". That is def not typical of an antifa member. But you get your kicks off blaming antifa and defending literal nazis so your agenda is well out in the open.

snowblind

DanDan6592 wrote: »

https://www.adl.org/resources/backgrounders/who-are-the-antifa

Now, regardless of their motives, they are engaging in unlawful violence and intimidation against civilians. This meets the definition of terrorism.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gJuHh_jUjd0

Watch all of it or particularly from 2.00 minutes onwards to see people being assaulted.

Watch the Andy Ngo videos. Regardless of whether you like him or not he was assaulted quite clearly.

So they say stuff. How do you feel about freedom of expression?

How does arguing with people compare to shooting people in yr opinion? Close enough that you can call murderers and word users similar extremists?

So if someone is bullied at school, the bullies are by your definition terrorists? Widening a definition to include anyone who argues with other people is surely a totally normal thing when trying to downplay mass shootings

snowblind

You still use the same ONE example of assault. You'd kinda think if you were to prove an organisation is a terrorist organisation, you'd have more than one assault a few years ago plus some apparent oral "harrassment".

You'd wanna call all football fans terrorists if above is how you define it. But you're clearly not aiming to be consistent, you just want to downplay white nationalism. But the murders speak clearly.

p1akuw47h5r3it

snowblind wrote: »

So they say stuff. How do you feel about freedom of expression?

No they beat people up.

snowblind wrote: »

How does arguing with people compare to shooting people in yr opinion? Close enough that you can call murderers and word users similar extremists?

No idea what your trying to say.

snowblind wrote: »

So if someone is bullied at school, the bullies are by your definition terrorists? Widening a definition to include anyone who argues with other people is surely a totally normal thing when trying to downplay mass shootings

No I've defined what terrorism is to you already. You're the one who doesn't know what it is. But I'm a nice guy, so I'll teach it to you again:

the unlawful use of violence and intimidation, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political aims.

I've not widened the definition. I've shown anti-fa members clearly engaging in violent attacks and intimidation, and they do it for political reasons vis a vis they are terrorists.
And I'm not downplaying mass shootings. Again, this thread is literally about Anti-fa, it's literally the name of the thread: "Antifa"

FrancieBrady

Sorry to interrupt.

What is the correct pronunciation of Antifa? Trump was just on the telly there and called it 'Ann-tea-fa'. Is that right?

snowblind

DanDan6592 wrote: »

No they beat people up.


No idea what your trying to say.


No I've defined what terrorism is to you already. You're the one who doesn't know what it is. But I'm a nice guy, so I'll teach it to you again:



I've not widened the definition. I've shown anti-fa members clearly engaging in violent attacks and intimidation, and they do it for political reasons vis a vis they are terrorists.
And I'm not downplaying mass shootings. Again, this thread is literally about Anti-fa, it's literally the name of the thread: "Antifa"

Maybe you should have more examples of "them beating people up" than just one from couple of years ago.

When you oppose a violent group that does mass murders, sometimes violence happens in the clash. It happens between football fans as well. However, none of those are comparable to a movement that commits mass murder regularly.

Your record is skipping. This thread IS about Antifa. Antifa does good work where the government and police turn a blind eye to white nationalist terrorist threat. If white nationalists are marching promoting genocide, I'm glad Antifa are there and willing to match violence to violence if necessary. Mass murdering people is completely different, cowardly, and unsurprisingly a white nationalist tactic. Getting so huffy because of a couple of fights is just dumb, but you do it intentionally, so it's just super dumb, and intentionally plays to fascist narrative.

snowblind

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Sorry to interrupt.

What is the correct pronunciation of Antifa? Trump was just on the telly there and called it 'Ann-tea-fa'. Is that right?

Guy is barely literate and no, that is not correct. correct one here

Woodsie1

snowblind wrote: »

It's not. Antifa opposes those murderers. People like you ignore those murderers while blaming Antifa without any proof of them being "terrorists". You propagate nazi propaganda while not accepting the reality where we are living.

Show me where Ive done anything youve said,or simply retract your bull**** lies.

p1akuw47h5r3it

snowblind wrote: »

Maybe you should have more examples of "them beating people up" than just one from couple of years ago.

There is Berkely, Andy Ngo, the bloke who tried to firebomb and ICE center, them attacking cops and journalists in Charlotteville* etc etc. How many examples do you need.



*https://www.vox.com/identities/2018/8/12/17681986/antifa-leftist-violence-clashes-protests-charlottesville-dc-unite-the-right

snowblind wrote: »

When you oppose a violent group that does mass murders, sometimes violence happens in the clash.

Oh so you admit they are violent. Progress at last. And they are not always opposing "mass murders", from my previous post:

Antifa have expanded their definition of fascist/fascism to include not just white supremacists and other extremists, but also many conservatives and supporters of President Trump. In Berkeley, for example, some antifa were captured on video harassing Trump supporters with no known extremist connections. Antifa have also falsely characterized some recent right wing rallies as “Nazi” events, even though they were not actually white supremacist in nature.

https://www.adl.org/resources/backgr...are-the-antifa

snowblind wrote: »

It happens between football fans as well. However, none of those are comparable to a movement that commits mass murder regularly.

Pure whataboutery. If they are targeting civilians with the unlawful use of violence and harassment for political aims, which they are, then they meet the definition of terrorism, which for your benefit I'll post again:

the unlawful use of violence and intimidation, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political aims.

I don't know why you keep banging on about football fans.

snowblind

Woodsie1 wrote: »

Show me where Ive done anything youve said,or simply retract your bull**** lies.

Retract lol

We are talking about Antifa and Antifa oppose white nationalism, the cause of more terrorist mass murders in the US than any other group. You try to deflect and suppress the discussion, It's not a mystery why someone would do that :rolleyes:

p1akuw47h5r3it

snowblind wrote: »

Guy is barely literate and no, that is not correct. correct one here

Says you

snowblind wrote: »

How does arguing with people compare to shooting people in yr opinion? Close enough that you can call murderers and word users similar extremists?

:rolleyes:

Woodsie1

snowblind wrote: »

Retract lol

We are talking about Antifa and Antifa oppose white nationalism, the cause of more terrorist mass murders in the US than any other group. You try to deflect and suppress the discussion, It's not a mystery why someone would do that :rolleyes:

So your a bullsh1tting liar then,thanks for clarifying.

Quote me defending anything you said I did.

snowblind

DanDan6592 wrote: »

There is Berkely, Andy Ngo, the bloke who tried to firebomb and ICE center, them attacking cops and journalists in Charlotteville* etc etc. How many examples do you need.



*https://www.vox.com/identities/2018/8/12/17681986/antifa-leftist-violence-clashes-protests-charlottesville-dc-unite-the-right

Oh so you admit they are violent. Progress at last. And they are not always opposing "mass murders", from my previous post:



https://www.adl.org/resources/backgr...are-the-antifa



Pure whataboutery. If they are targeting civilians with the unlawful use of violence and harassment for political aims, which they are, then they meet the definition of terrorism, which for your benefit I'll post again:



I don't know why you keep banging on about football fans.

A member was violent in that one situation you always mention. The others were also violent. However, antifa hasn't murdered anyone. They were part of a fight.

You are stretching to try and make Antifa seem similar as white nationalists, but still you cannot find any other proof than one event in Charlottesville. Pathetic stuff.

Football fans cause much more violence than one situation you have hung your whole argument around.

You need more brah.

snowblind

Woodsie1 wrote: »

So your a bullsh1tting liar then,thanks for clarifying.

Quote me defending anything you said I did.

I just explained, but I guess you don't understand. That's hardly my fault

Woodsie1

snowblind wrote: »

I just explained, but I guess you don't understand. That's hardly my fault

You didnt quote me saying what you said I did.

Your a bullsh1tter.

snowblind

DanDan6592 wrote: »

Says you



:rolleyes:

Hahaha a Trump supporter, that explains a lot. Fascism cool, facts not interesting, literacy probably on the same level because you cannot see obvious things. Proper bootlicker boy. Bet you're an american as well :pac:

hill16bhoy

snowblind wrote: »

Well Danzy is known to propagate nazi propaganda here. It's his schtick. He won't consider any articles that aren't from Stormfront or Breitbart or Fox :pac:

Glad I'm not the only person to have noticed this

p1akuw47h5r3it

snowblind wrote: »

A member was violent in that one situation you always mention.

What "one situtation"? I've given you many, a list of situations were more than one member was being violent.

snowblind wrote: »

The others were also violent. However, antifa hasn't murdered anyone. They were part of a fight.

For the, what's it now? Third, fourth time? You don't have to kill to be a terrorist. Slow learner you are:

the unlawful use of violence and intimidation, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political aims.

Nothing there about having to actually murder.

snowblind wrote: »

You are stretching to try and make Antifa seem similar as white nationalists, but still you cannot find any other proof than one event in Charlottesville. Pathetic stuff.

No, I've given you Berkely, Charlottesville, the incident in Portland, the lad trying to fire-bomb an Ice centre

snowblind wrote: »

Football fans cause much more violence than one situation you have hung your whole argument around.

You need more brah.

And? What's your point?

hill16bhoy

snowblind wrote: »

Retract lol

We are talking about Antifa and Antifa oppose white nationalism, the cause of more terrorist mass murders in the US than any other group. You try to deflect and suppress the discussion, It's not a mystery why someone would do that :rolleyes:

You're talking to lads here who would have branded the French resistance as "the real Nazis" and anti-apartheid protestors as terrorists.

That's genuinely their mindset.

Woodsie1

hill16bhoy wrote: »

You're talking to lads here who would have branded the French resistance as "the real Nazis" and anti-apartheid protestors as terrorists.

That's genuinely their mindset.

You are a funny fcuker:D

p1akuw47h5r3it

hill16bhoy wrote: »

You're talking to lads here who would have branded the French resistance as "the real Nazis" and anti-apartheid protestors as terrorists.

That's genuinely their mindset.

Oh look, the lad who is so far to the left he thinks People Before Profit supporters aren't left-wing is back.

Just to clarify, I've done none of those things you mentioned.

Woodsie1

DanDan6592 wrote: »

Oh look, the lad who is so far to the left he thinks People Before Profit supporters aren't left-wing is back.

Just to clarify, I've done none of those things you mentioned.

Nobody on this thread has!!

The delusion of antifa cheerleaders has gone off the scale,mammy will turn off their internet soon enough