Antifa [Mod Warning on post #1 - updated 08/08/19]

hill16bhoy

DanDan6592 wrote: »

Oh look, the lad who is so far to the left he thinks People Before Profit supporters aren't left-wing is back.

Just to clarify, I've done none of those things you mentioned.

The problem with people like you is that you think everybody who disagrees with you is a communist.

It's Gemma O'Doherty-esque.

You're only ridiculing yourself by doing this.

And you're one of many posters here like that.

20Cent

The El Paso shooters manifesto sounds a lot like faux news and trumps rhetoric.

https://twitter.com/TheDailyShow/status/1159139809597767682?s=19

hill16bhoy

Woodsie1 wrote: »

You are a funny fcuker:D

Thanks, but I didn't insert any humour in my last post.

I've certainly seen plenty of unintentional humour from the likes of yourself here though.

But nobody's laughing with you.

hill16bhoy

20Cent wrote: »

The El Paso shooters manifesto sounds a lot like faux news and trumps rhetoric.

https://twitter.com/TheDailyShow/status/1159139809597767682?s=19

And why wouldn't it, Trump and Fox incite hatred on a daily basis.

What is the difference in rhetoric between Trump and Gemma O'Doherty?

O'Doherty has a bigger vocabulary, perhaps?

That's about it.

p1akuw47h5r3it

hill16bhoy wrote: »

The problem with people like you is that you think everybody who disagrees with you is a communist.

It's Gemma O'Doherty-esque.

You're only ridiculing yourself by doing this.

And you're one of many posters here like that.

Who do I think is a communist? Point to anyone on Boards ever that I've called a communist. You said HatrickPatrick, a bloke whose voted Richard Boyd Barret his whole life and was in the room the Day PBP was set up, wasn't left wing. That's pretty crazy.

I've never done at all what you claimed. That wasn't even a good try at a come back, it was terrible in fact. Hard luck.

Woodsie1

hill16bhoy wrote: »

Thanks, but I didn't insert any humour in my last post.

I've certainly seen plenty of unintentional humour from the likes of yourself here though.

But nobody's laughing with you.

Ouch,straight in the heart.
I might have to go and cry for a while.:pac::pac::pac::pac::pac:

p1akuw47h5r3it

Woodsie1 wrote: »

Ouch,straight in the heart.
I might have to go and cry for a while.:pac::pac::pac::pac::pac:

I want to see these posts that he was talking about earlier about the french resistance and apartheid!

Woodsie1

DanDan6592 wrote: »

I want to see these posts that he was talking about earlier about the french resistance and apartheid!

Hes the same as the blind fella,all mouth and no substance.
I wouldnt be holding my breath for proof of any of their insane accusations.

hill16bhoy

DanDan6592 wrote: »

Who do I think is a communist? Point to anyone on Boards ever that I've called a communist. You said HatrickPatrick, a bloke whose voted Richard Boyd Barret his whole life and was in the room the Day PBP was set up, wasn't left wing. That's pretty crazy.

I've never done at all what you claimed. That wasn't even a good try at a come back, it was terrible in fact. Hard luck.

I very much doubt many Richard Boyd Barrett voters believe the right to demonstrate in favour of genocide is a human right

I think you'll find Richard Boyd Barrett doesn't either

The poster in question said "the left moved away from me"

I find statements like that are a dead giveaway that somebody was never actually left wing in the first place, but a bull**** talker

You see it all the time with the likes of the utter gob****es who write for Spiked online - who coincidentally are all far right now - one of them Claire Fox, is in league with Nigel Farage and believes that child porn should be legal

You obviously think I think I'm a communist given that you say I think People Before Profit aren't left wing - I mean it's hard to get more left thn People Before Profit without being an actual communist

I voted for Ciaran Cuffe in the European elections if you must know and I'm definitely not a communist

hill16bhoy

Woodsie1 wrote: »

Hes the same as the blind fella,all mouth and no substance.
I wouldnt be holding my breath for proof of any of their insane accusations.

You do realise both the French resistance and Nelson Mandela were involved in armed uprisings, yes?

Given your hatred for Antifa, who are extremely mild by comparison, one shudders to think what your reaction would have been had you been around when the French Resistance and Mandela were around.

Woodsie1

hill16bhoy wrote: »

You do realise both the French resistance and Nelson Mandela were involved in armed uprisings, yes?

Given your hatred for Antifa, who are extremely mild by comparison, one shudders to think what your reaction would have been had you been around when the French Resistance and Mandela were around.

Whats this sh1te got to do with me or any other antifa opposers.

p1akuw47h5r3it

hill16bhoy wrote: »

I very much doubt many Richard Boyd Barrett voters believe the right to demonstrate in favour of genocide is a human right

I think you'll find Richard Boyd Barrett doesn't either

The poster in question said "the left moved away from me"

I find statements like that are a dead giveaway that somebody was never actually left wing in the first place, but a bull**** talker

You see it all the time with the likes of the utter gob****es who write for Spiked online - who coincidentally are all far right now - one of them Claire Fox, is in league with Nigel Farage and believes that child porn should be legal

You obviously think I think I'm a communist given that you say I think People Before Profit aren't left wing - I mean it's hard to get more left thn People Before Profit without being an actual communist

I voted for Ciaran Cuffe in the European elections if you must know and I'm definitely not a communist

He was talking about the American left, not the Irish one. I'd be the same as him, I hate all the progressive nonsense for various reasons I've outlined before, and really, really hope they pick a moderate for 2020 as I believe only a moderate will beat Trump.

The only contributor to Spiked I know of is that Brendan whats's his name. He doesn't strike me as far right.

Woodsie1

Oh wait youre comparing antifa to the French resistance and Nelson Mandela....Oh my god hahahahahahahaha

p1akuw47h5r3it

Woodsie1 wrote: »

Whats this sh1te got to do with me or any other antifa opposers.

You see they've deluded themselves into believing they are in a similar situation as Nelson Mandela and the French resistance in, you know, 2019 America.

p1akuw47h5r3it

Woodsie1 wrote: »

Oh wait youre comparing antifa to the French resistance and Nelson Mandela....Oh my god hahahahahahahaha

What can one do other than laugh in the face of such nonsense.

hill16bhoy

Woodsie1 wrote: »

The delusion of antifa cheerleaders has gone off the scale,mammy will turn off their internet soon enough

I'm really surprised you're not leading a crack debating team at the Oxford Union with well constructed arguments like this, which don't make you look like a complete moron at all.

hill16bhoy

DanDan6592 wrote: »

He was talking about the American left, not the Irish one. I'd be the same as him, I hate all the progressive nonsense for various reasons I've outlined before, and really, really hope they pick a moderate for 2020 as I believe only a moderate will beat Trump.

The only contributor to Spiked I know of is that Brendan whats's his name. He doesn't strike me as far right.

Why would somebody on an Irish forum, who is Irish, be talking about the "American left" when he talks about "the left moving away from me"?

What does he have in common with Richard Boyd Barrett - who I think you'll find is in complete lockstep with the likes of Alexandria Ocasio Cortez and Ilhan Omar on pretty much everything - I'll tell you - the answer is basically nothing.

"Progressive nonsense" - go on - flesh that out.

Yeah, it certainly doesn't surprise me you don't find an utter head the ball like O'Neill, who sides with the far right pretty much every time, to be far right.

Apparently being far right is the new left, at least for a certain type of coward who is afraid to admit what they actually are.

p1akuw47h5r3it

hill16bhoy wrote: »

Why would somebody on an Irish forum, who is Irish, be talking about the "American left" when he talks about "the left moving away from me"?

What does he have in common with Richard Boyd Barrett - who I think you'll find is in complete lockstep with the likes of Alexandria Ocasio Cortez and Ilhan Omar on pretty much everything - I'll tell you - the answer is basically nothing.

"Progressive nonsense" - go on - flesh that out.

Yeah, it certainly doesn't surprise me you don't find an utter head the ball like O'Neill, who sides with the far right pretty much every time, to be far right.

Apparently being far right is the new left, at least for a certain type of coward who is afraid to admit what they actually are.

Because the discussion was framed around one of the mass shootings that happened in... you guessed it... America.

Thankfully Ireland is not America and our politics here is not at all similar. So it is quite possible to support Boyd-Barrett but not support the likes of AOC or Ilan Omar. He outlined his reasons in that thread.

Go through his posts in the Politics forums. He is most definitely on the left.

hill16bhoy

DanDan6592 wrote: »

Because the discussion was framed around one of the mass shootings that happened in... you guessed it... America.

Thankfully Ireland is not America and our politics here is not at all similar. So it is quite possible to support Boyd-Barrett but not support the likes of AOC or Ilan Omar. He outlined his reasons in that thread.

Go through his posts in the Politics forums. He is most definitely on the left.

You really don't get this.

Boyd Barrett and PBP are pretty much in lockstep on every issue with AOC and Ilhan Omar etc.

There is basically no difference in ideology.

If anything, Boyd Barrett is slightly more to the left so it makes zero sense how somebody could claim to support Boyd Barrett and yet be so against AOC/Omar etc.

Anybody can give any reason they want to explain a totally irrational position - but that doesn't mean these "reasons" aren't a load of utter nonsense.

What "progressive nonsense" were you referring to in your previous post?

Woodsie1

hill16bhoy wrote: »

I'm really surprised you're not leading a crack debating team at the Oxford Union with well constructed arguments like this, which don't make you look like a complete moron at all.

Its the internet not fcuking college debates:pac::pac:

Im not the one looking like a moron,that would be the one who compares antifa to Nelson Mandela:D:p

hill16bhoy

DanDan6592 wrote: »

You see they've deluded themselves into believing they are in a similar situation as Nelson Mandela and the French resistance in, you know, 2019 America.

Em, you do realise Nelson Mandela actually supported a bombing campaign, including a 1983 bombing which killed 19 civilians?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Church_Street_bombing

Could you point me to the bombing campaigns against civilians that Antifa have supported?

hill16bhoy

Woodsie1 wrote: »

Its the internet not fcuking college debates:pac::pac:

You should try and produce some posts that are at least slightly above playschool level then.

Woodsie1

hill16bhoy wrote: »

You should try and produce some posts that are at least slightly above playschool level then.

Like your fantastical ones?:D
Comparing antifa to the French resistance and Nelson Mandela:pac::pac::pac:

Youre a joker!

p1akuw47h5r3it

hill16bhoy wrote: »

You really don't get this.

Boyd Barrett and PBP are pretty much in lockstep on every issue with AOC and Ilhan Omar etc.

There is basically no difference in ideology.

If anything, Boyd Barrett is slightly more to the left so it makes zero sense how somebody could claim to support Boyd Barrett and yet be so against AOC/Omar etc.

As he said in another thread, notice how it's mainly pertaining to America as opposed to Ireland (with the exception of the 2015 SSM referendum). It's not policy, it's an attitude and a hypocrasy. I fully agree with his analysis. And again, in America, I'd be far more likely to vote democrat.

When the mainstream left became utterly toxic, authoritarian, and horrendously bigoted.

Young whites and young men / boys in particular have every legitimate reason to despise the left. And as a lifelong leftist, I'm utterly, bitterly furious at many of my fellow leftists for allowing such bigotry to fester and develop to the point at which we're pushing away a generation which would otherwise be fully on board with what we believe in.

The anger and confusion directed against young right wingers by mainstream leftists is hilarious. They spent most of the last decade telling a lot of these people to hate themselves and expect (and welcome as a form of historical 'justice') being treated like sh!t because of who they happened to be born as, and then they genuinely seemed to be shocked and taken aback when those people decided to vote for the other side instead. It's ridiculous.

Over in the States, I literally saw full forums full of Clinton supporters laughingly mocking young white men who had reservations about the rhetoric coming from some of the more extreme supporters of the left, saying "go ahead and vote for Trump! We don't need you to win!"

Then after the election, they're all like "How could you betray us like this?! How could you let that fascist win the election?"

It just doesn't compute. You can't barrage a whole demographic with generalised bigotry and then expect that demographic to support you at election time. Brexit, same story - months of telling undecided and leave-leaning voters that they were stupid, racist, senile fools, and then after the referendum, months of head scratching and wondering "where did we lose the electorate?"

I started ringing alarm bells about this in my own circle of leftist friends after seeing how some people behaved during the Gay Marriage referendum, and the "you're 100% with us or else you're a subhuman piece of sh!t who should be ostracised from society" mentality which seeped through many campaign groups at the time. I had hoped people would cop on, but as the rest of the 2010s showed, things indeed got far, far worse rather than improving.

hill16bhoy wrote: »

Anybody can give any reason they want to explain a totally irrational position - but that doesn't mean these "reasons" aren't a load of utter nonsense.

No reason will ever be a good enough reason for you.

hill16bhoy wrote: »

What "progressive nonsense" were you referring to in your previous post?

See above or, you know, the discussion we had last night were we discussed it already.

p1akuw47h5r3it

hill16bhoy wrote: »

Em, you do realise Nelson Mandela actually supported a bombing campaign, including a 1983 bombing which killed 19 civilians?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Church_Street_bombing

See Mandela was fighting state sanctioned Apartheid, Anti-fa aren't. Which is why we're laughing at the comparison.

hill16bhoy wrote: »

Could you point me to the bombing campaigns against civilians that Antifa have supported?

The man who died after being shot by Washington state police Saturday while tossing lit objects at vehicles and buildings outside an immigrant detention center self-identified as an anti-fascist, or "antifa," who was motivated by the recent immigration raids and deportations launched by the federal government.

Van Spronsen sent a letter to friends that he titled a "written manifesto," which detailed his motivation to "take action against the forces of evil," specifically fascism and "concentration camps."

In a Facebook post, Seattle Antifascist Action called the activist "a good friend" who "gave his life to the struggle against fascism."

On Sunday, about 100 people gathered outside the center where Van Spronsen died to protest the facility and pay tribute to their "comrade," according to posts on Facebook and local news sites.

"He gave up his life for this, and we certainly hope this marks a turning point in the movement," the antifa organizer said.

https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/briannasacks/ice-detention-attack-killed-washington-antifa-manifesto

hill16bhoy

DanDan6592 wrote: »

As he said in another thread, notice how it's mainly pertaining to America as opposed to Ireland (with the exception of the 2015 SSM referendum). It's not policy, it's an attitude and a hypocrasy. I fully agree with his analysis. And again, in America, I'd be far more likely to vote democrat.



No reason will ever be a good enough reason for you.


See above or, you know, the discussion we had last night were we discussed it already.

No offence, but you've offered nothing there except an unhinged rant.

p1akuw47h5r3it

hill16bhoy wrote: »

No offence, but you've offered nothing there except an unhinged rant.

Whatever. It's off topic anyway so I'm not bothered going into it.

snowblind

DanDan6592 wrote: »

He was talking about the American left, not the Irish one. I'd be the same as him, I hate all the progressive nonsense for various reasons I've outlined before, and really, really hope they pick a moderate for 2020 as I believe only a moderate will beat Trump.

The only contributor to Spiked I know of is that Brendan whats's his name. He doesn't strike me as far right.

"As a trump apologist I would like his opposition to be as milquetoast as possible so the same thing that happened with Clinton would happen again"
Dude trump supporters are not really the kinda people Democrats should take tips from. Fascist mass murders everywhere weekly, sounds like we need antifa like there Germans needed antifa 80 years ago.

p1akuw47h5r3it

snowblind wrote: »

"As a trump apologist I would like his opposition to be as milquetoast as possible so the same thing that happened with Clinton would happen again"
Dude trump supporters are not really the kinda people Democrats should take tips from. Fascist mass murders everywhere weekly, sounds like we need antifa like there Germans needed antifa 80 years ago.

What are you rambling about now?

snowblind

Woodsie1 wrote: »

Its the internet not fcuking college debates:pac::pac:

For you it's clearly not since you are fascist trolling. Other people prefer fact based stuff but I get it, you're a **** stirrer and proud of your lack of argumentation skills.