Antifa [Mod Warning on post #1 - updated 08/08/19]

Blueshoe

I think libertarianism is the way forward. Makes the most sense really

Brian?

Seanachai wrote: »

So under real communism\anarchism what happens the fascists or those who decide that they don't want to acquiesce?

I don’t actually know a huge amount about anarchist theory, because I don’t accept it as a viable political theory.

A broad outline is: Revolution followed by a non hierarchical society, i.e. communism. Boom. No stepping stones. So I assume the fascists are shot or dealt with in some other violent way.

In the Socialist model, communism comes about through a long process of continuous social evolution. Democratic socialism>Socialism with a single party vanguard>communism. In very broad terms. The idea is that you slowly bring people along and there won’t be any fascists anymore because you have a post scarcity world where people have developed beyond religion, nationalism etc. . Everyone is free to express their own opinion as long as they don’t hurt anyone.

Brian?

Blueshoe wrote: »

I think libertarianism is the way forward. Makes the most sense really

I agree, as long as we’re talking about libertarian socialism and not anarchist capitalism.

Blueshoe

Brian? wrote: »

I agree, as long as we’re talking about libertarian socialism and not anarchist capitalism.

Whichever one ends up in the government disappearing is good for me.

I don't get anything of benifit in comparison to the amount of tax I pay. Short end of the stick

The Late Late Show

20Cent wrote: »

This is the brain surgeon organising it.
Joe Biggs former infowars "journalist" (another grifter)
It's attracting all sorts of nazi, fascist and far right groups as well.
Looks like fella one could chat politics to.

Are these guys for real? Just another example of what a horrible country America is becoming. Their definition of communists? The centre right!

Seanachai

Brian? wrote: »

I don’t actually know a huge amount about anarchist theory, because I don’t accept it as a viable political theory.

A broad outline is: Revolution followed by a non hierarchical society, i.e. communism. Boom. No stepping stones. So I assume the fascists are shot or dealt with in some other violent way.

In the Socialist model, communism comes about through a long process of continuous social evolution. Democratic socialism>Socialism with a single party vanguard>communism. In very broad terms. The idea is that you slowly bring people along and there won’t be any fascists anymore because you have a post scarcity world where people have developed beyond religion, nationalism etc. . Everyone is free to express their own opinion as long as they don’t hurt anyone.

Very hard to implement with large populations, the ruling class aren't in the position they're in for no reason. They're a minority, yet they've been running rings around us for centuries. The hope would be that once people see that they have enough of the pie they will be content and there would be no need for coercion, there's no accounting for greed or stupidity though.

The most difficult part of any transition to a free world is the psychological aspect of how deeply conditioned a lot of people are. From what I've seen in life it's only a minority who are willing to make the sacrifices needed to break free from coercion.

20Cent

The Late Late Show wrote: »

Are these guys for real? Just another example of what a horrible country America is becoming. Their definition of communists? The centre right!

Yeah what is considered "far left" in the US would be very different to Europe.
Using taxpayers money to blast a camel thousands of miles away. Fine.
Use tax payrs money to help an American who is sick. Comminism.

Strange society really.

Brian?

Blueshoe wrote: »

Whichever one ends up in the government disappearing is good for me.

I don't get anything of benifit in comparison to the amount of tax I pay. Short end of the stick

You don't perceive any benefit, you actually get quite a lot for the tax you pay.

Seanachai

20Cent wrote: »

Yeah what is considered "far left" in the US would be very different to Europe.
Using taxpayers money to blast a camel thousands of miles away. Fine.
Use tax payrs money to help an American who is sick. Comminism.

Strange society really.

I get what you're saying but the philosophy of the country is built on the aspiration to a wealthy lifestyle or at least a ramped up middle class one. The perspective of a lot of people is that they would rather be poor with the chance of striking it rich than to have everybody on an even keel. It's a pipe-dream that a lot of them will never realise, but it's like opium to them.

If those in power could figure out a way to convince the citizens that the rampant materialism isn't sustainable without speaking to them like they're scum, they might actually get somewhere.

Brian?

Seanachai wrote: »

Very hard to implement with large populations, the ruling class aren't in the position they're in for no reason. They're a minority, yet they've been running rings around us for centuries. The hope would be that once people see that they have enough of the pie they will be content and there would be no need for coercion, there's no accounting for greed or stupidity though.

The most difficult part of any transition to a free world is the psychological aspect of how deeply conditioned a lot of people are. From what I've seen in life it's only a minority who are willing to make the sacrifices needed to break free from coercion.

Hey, no one said it was going to be easy. But I would suggest you may be overly pessimistic in your view of people. I believe that when the correct conditions are present, people will generally default to being good. I've been called naive many times for this belief and it may be true.

Right now the real struggle is between neo liberals and democratic socialists. Conservativism is in its death throws, because it makes no sense.

The ruling class are basically all neo liberal, free marketeers. With some useful idiots in place as a distraction.

Seanachai

Brian? wrote: »

You don't perceive any benefit, you actually get quite a lot for the tax you pay.

Not in terms of access to healthcare and housing for lower paid workers

Brian?

Seanachai wrote: »

I get what you're saying but the philosophy of the country is built on the aspiration to a wealthy lifestyle or at least a ramped up middle class one. The perspective of a lot of people is that they would rather be poor with the chance of striking it rich than to have everybody on an even keel. It's a pipe-dream that a lot of them will never realise, but it's like opium to them.

If those in power could figure out a way to convince the citizens that the rampant materialism isn't sustainable without speaking to them like they're scum, they might actually get somewhere.

Why would anyone in power want to do that? They've made it, they are the American dream. That's the real problem, very few politicians are actually radical. Radicalism is needed to change the status quo.

Look at the guff AOC gets for suggesting a few centre left ideas. She's called a communist.

Brian?

Seanachai wrote: »

Not in terms of access to healthcare and housing for lower paid workers

In Ireland or where?

Seanachai

Brian? wrote: »

Why would anyone in power want to do that? They've made it, they are the American dream. That's the real problem, very few politicians are actually radical. Radicalism is needed to change the status quo.

Look at the guff AOC gets for suggesting a few centre left ideas. She's called a communist.

Brian? wrote: »

In Ireland or where?

AOC and her counterparts scare US voters, because I'm sorry, she's completely nuts, the personality that is presenting the ideas is a crucial factor. At the moment the Trump voters and swing voters want Ford Broncos, huge fridge-freezers, minimal interference and weapons. She's not going to convince them that spreading the wealth and giving up their weapons is better for everybody.

You're preaching to the converted about radicalism, I'd be willing to pare things down to the bone for a chance to change the way that we're living at the moment. It would take a seriously charismatic, intelligent and likeable candidate to bring voters onside and also have the backbone to take on the corporations to restructure US society however.

Yes, in Ireland, if you don't have the cash for private healthcare you are actually more likely to die, the quality of care once you get access is top notch, but the time-frame and access is dreadful.

20Cent

Seanachai wrote: »

AOC and her counterparts scare US voters, because I'm sorry, she's completely nuts, the personality that is presenting the ideas is a crucial factor. At the moment the Trump voters and swing voters want Ford Broncos, huge fridge-freezers, minimal interference and weapons. She's not going to convince them that spreading the wealth and giving up their weapons is better for everybody.

You're preaching to the converted about radicalism, I'd be willing to pare things down to the bone for a chance to change the way that we're living at the moment. It would take a seriously charismatic, intelligent and likeable candidate to bring voters onside and also have the backbone to take on the corporations to restructure US society however.

Yes, in Ireland, if you don't have the cash for private healthcare you are actually more likely to die, the quality of care once you get access is top notch, but the time-frame and access is dreadful.

The republicans wanted to give Amazon billions to locate in NYC.
AOC said no let them pay their own way.

AOC is considered the commie!!

Amazon located there anyway without the incentives.

Seanachai

20Cent wrote: »

The republicans wanted to give Amazon billions to locate in NYC.
AOC said no let them pay their own way.

AOC is considered the commie!!

Amazon located there anyway without the incentives.

This doesn't change how she's perceived by those that matter, you have to be able to create trust in people for them to follow you, even if you're selling socialism, leadership still matters. I get the impression that the people who may or may not vote Trump wouldn't have her lead a Dunkin Donuts.

20Cent

So much for the tolerant left.

https://twitter.com/MikeStuchbery_/status/1160992054526316548?s=19

Seanachai

Brian? wrote: »

Hey, no one said it was going to be easy. But I would suggest you may be overly pessimistic in your view of people. I believe that when the correct conditions are present, people will generally default to being good. I've been called naive many times for this belief and it may be true.

Right now the real struggle is between neo liberals and democratic socialists. Conservativism is in its death throws, because it makes no sense.

The ruling class are basically all neo liberal, free marketeers. With some useful idiots in place as a distraction.

I think it goes beyond goodness, how may good people are weak enough to allow themselves to be lead by neo-liberals and much worse in the world at the moment?, all for the little comfort in life that it gives them. I look at otherwise decent people supporting the likes of FG here, just to feather their own nest, even if they create misery for the people they share a country with.

The democratic socialists aren't appealing because they either come across as nuts, indifferent to workers or completely toothless. The same goes for 'New Labour' in the UK and the complete shambles that calls itself a Labour party here.

I'm all for freedom, the obstacle is that the kind of people that make up the ruling class are so adept at getting the weaker people on board with a mixture of fear and the opium of comfort, it's basically their family business.

I see some slow changes in the right direction but I remain somewhat cynical about human behaviour, without being miserable about it.

Brian?

Seanachai wrote: »

AOC and her counterparts scare US voters, because I'm sorry, she's completely nuts, the personality that is presenting the ideas is a crucial factor. At the moment the Trump voters and swing voters want Ford Broncos, huge fridge-freezers, minimal interference and weapons. She's not going to convince them that spreading the wealth and giving up their weapons is better for everybody.

Nuts how? She’s young and enthusiastic. I don’t agree with all of her policies, but most are perfectly reasonable. I don’t really focus on how she complete herself.

You're preaching to the converted about radicalism, I'd be willing to pare things down to the bone for a chance to change the way that we're living at the moment. It would take a seriously charismatic, intelligent and likeable candidate to bring voters onside and also have the backbone to take on the corporations to restructure US society however.

Yes, in Ireland, if you don't have the cash for private healthcare you are actually more likely to die, the quality of care once you get access is top notch, but the time-frame and access is dreadful.

That’s fair. Healthcare could be much better in Ireland. But the other poster said they get noting for their taxes, which is obviously false.

Seanachai

Brian? wrote: »

Nuts how? She’s young and enthusiastic. I don’t agree with all of her policies, but most are perfectly reasonable. I don’t really focus on how she complete herself.



That’s fair. Healthcare could be much better in Ireland. But the other poster said they get noting for their taxes, which is obviously false.

She's too highly strung and reactive, she may be well intentioned but look how composed Tulsi Gabbard is in comparison.

The social and affordable housing situation here is also a joke at this stage, I've heard the excuse from government and also personally from builders that they need to build the high end stuff first before they can move on to the social and affordable level. It's just not happening in reality, it's luxury homes, student housing for wealthy students and nursing homes.

snowblind

Some people here are very confused about what Antifa means. Antifa was started in Germany during 30s as Antifasistische Aktion to counter Nazi atrocities and propaganda on the streets, since the police wasn't doing anything about it and the political decisions were made to favor the nazis. Similar situation to now, so it sounds to me like the people here would also oppose them and claim they were terrorists.

Yet they cry about how american Antifa is totally different. No it's not. It's the same. It's also not an organization but a movement. I think there have been exactly 2 examples of Antifa violence. Charlottesville and Berkeley. It does take a very strict media diet of FOX news, Breitbart et al, OANN, Daily Caller etc to claim these were only Antifas fault. The nazis want to expand their ideology on the streets, using the police and fraudulent claims about the actual details of what "free speech" means to spread hate and call for genocide. Now, just like in the 30s Germany, when people oppose them, there is a clash. Sometimes this escalates to violence. The goal of the fascist right is to use as much hate speech and fake news as possible to provoke possible violent scenarios, so they can claim Antifa to be the bad guys. This thread clearly shows how it works, as many (mostly American troll posters who are completely in Trumps pocket) ignore every bit of daily/weekly news about actual white supremacist violence while claiming there are not that many white supremacists, while claiming that two scuffles mean Antifa are a global terrorist organization about to rid us of freedom of speech, life etc (mostly conspiracy theorist tropes & libertarian 'all government is literal communism' historicla / political revisionism)

They have no idea what Antifa do. Antifa, like me! Are mostly pacifist and their tactics are based on vigilancy in every day life. Any of my Antifa friends in europe and US have never propagated violence, even when being physically opposed by the neo white supremacists. if they had, they'd immediately become one more straw in the straw man the american troopers in this thread are trying to build.

So yeah it's all one sided and thoroughly intentional confirmation bias in play to try to propagate fascism, nothing subtle about it.

lemme show ya a little insight to Antifa lifestyle. Very recently I saw a chap on an airport wearing a Mistreat (white power RAC band) t-shirt and proudly sporting some swastika tattoos. I know enough of 'extreme' music scene(or 'have read all the Soros guidebooks', translated for you fake news lovers!) that while someone sporting an NSBM shirt might just mean they like extremely singular & nihilist black metal, RAC is thoroughly so terrible no one is into that scene just for the music. It's also as subtle as a white keyboard warrior guy crying about how soy has ruined manhood.



So what were the terrorist Antifa tactics I used? Purely conversational interrogation & intimidation tactics:
- Hey I just noticed your Mistreat shirt, did you see them play somewhere?
- Yeah they played in Tartu in Estonia
- Oh right, there was a festival?
- Yep
- Did you know the band advocates of the genocide of jewish people?
- I don't care about that.
- Oh, ok. Maybe you should though. Well anyways, bye!

He was coming to Dublin, sporting a tattoo and shirt that clearly signal he is ok with genocide of minorities. I have friends that are minorities. I care about my friends. It would make me a terrible friend not to be a part of Antifa.

Anyways, that guy didn't seem to be a threat to society. Good to know tho, maybe I'll see him on a clip at a Gemma O'Doherty rally, like the guy who was doing his very limp hailing attempt last week. It's good to know if your country is being invaded by people who try to advocate for killings in that country, don't you think? I know, some of you will disagree and claim that it's sifferent when whites do it, like in Norway again just there.

Again, if they don't seem like a violent threat, like this pretty unassuming guy despite the hate symbols, it's just best to let them know subtly and in a friendly manner that the ideology that they are sporting is in bad taste in the country they are entering. I owe this to my friends and to the history of solidarity this country was built on.

snowblind

Seanachai wrote: »

I think it goes beyond goodness, how may good people are weak enough to allow themselves to be lead by neo-liberals and much worse in the world at the moment?, all for the little comfort in life that it gives them. I look at otherwise decent people supporting the likes of FG here, just to feather their own nest, even if they create misery for the people they share a country with.

The democratic socialists aren't appealing because they either come across as nuts, indifferent to workers or completely toothless. The same goes for 'New Labour' in the UK and the complete shambles that calls itself a Labour party here.

I'm all for freedom, the obstacle is that the kind of people that make up the ruling class are so adept at getting the weaker people on board with a mixture of fear and the opium of comfort, it's basically their family business.

I see some slow changes in the right direction but I remain somewhat cynical about human behaviour, without being miserable about it.

They might not be appealing to you, but they are appealing to a lot of other people. Source: 2018 elections.

Trump voters are afraid of them, of course, because they actually have what it takes to challenge Trump. Trump voters are not afraid of Biden & other Clinton/Obama neoliberals because they know rabid ramblings of Trump can beat a milquetoast message like that.

The conservative useful idiots use whatever means, mostly calling them "crazy", "nuts" etc which will likely to make anyone who takes SSRIs (at least 10% of population) or other mental health meds not really a huge fan of their troll-y agenda, which again bases itself in vulgarities & abusive language. People also know what 'gaslighting' means and your argument there is textbook gaslighting. The conservatives are in a hubris right now, thinking they can self own themselves daily and still come out as a winner. That's why having smart & confident leaders like the new democrat squad is very scary to the opposition, and they just keep throwing around completely irrational accusations.

It's also funny trying to see conservatives say that the squad is not popular. Surely if they were not popular, the conservatives would rejoice in that. Again shows how thoroughly conflicted & dishonest they are :pac:

Seanachai

snowblind wrote: »

Some people here are very confused about what Antifa means. Antifa was started in Germany during 30s as Antifasistische Aktion to counter Nazi atrocities and propaganda on the streets, since the police wasn't doing anything about it and the political decisions were made to favor the nazis. Similar situation to now, so it sounds to me like the people here would also oppose them and claim they were terrorists.

Yet they cry about how american Antifa is totally different. No it's not. It's the same. It's also not an organization but a movement. I think there have been exactly 2 examples of Antifa violence. Charlottesville and Berkeley. It does take a very strict media diet of FOX news, Breitbart et al, OANN, Daily Caller etc to claim these were only Antifas fault. The nazis want to expand their ideology on the streets, using the police and fraudulent claims about the actual details of what "free speech" means to spread hate and call for genocide. Now, just like in the 30s Germany, when people oppose them, there is a clash. Sometimes this escalates to violence. The goal of the fascist right is to use as much hate speech and fake news as possible to provoke possible violent scenarios, so they can claim Antifa to be the bad guys. This thread clearly shows how it works, as many (mostly American troll posters who are completely in Trumps pocket) ignore every bit of daily/weekly news about actual white supremacist violence while claiming there are not that many white supremacists, while claiming that two scuffles mean Antifa are a global terrorist organization about to rid us of freedom of speech, life etc (mostly conspiracy theorist tropes & libertarian 'all government is literal communism' historicla / political revisionism)

They have no idea what Antifa do. Antifa, like me! Are mostly pacifist and their tactics are based on vigilancy in every day life. Any of my Antifa friends in europe and US have never propagated violence, even when being physically opposed by the neo white supremacists. if they had, they'd immediately become one more straw in the straw man the american troopers in this thread are trying to build.

So yeah it's all one sided and thoroughly intentional confirmation bias in play to try to propagate fascism, nothing subtle about it.

lemme show ya a little insight to Antifa lifestyle. Very recently I saw a chap on an airport wearing a Mistreat (white power RAC band) t-shirt and proudly sporting some swastika tattoos. I know enough of 'extreme' music scene(or 'have read all the Soros guidebooks', translated for you fake news lovers!) that while someone sporting an NSBM shirt might just mean they like extremely singular & nihilist black metal, RAC is thoroughly so terrible no one is into that scene just for the music. It's also as subtle as a white keyboard warrior guy crying about how soy has ruined manhood.



So what were the terrorist Antifa tactics I used? Purely conversational interrogation & intimidation tactics:
- Hey I just noticed your Mistreat shirt, did you see them play somewhere?
- Yeah they played in Tartu in Estonia
- Oh right, there was a festival?
- Yep
- Did you know the band advocates of the genocide of jewish people?
- I don't care about that.
- Oh, ok. Maybe you should though. Well anyways, bye!

He was coming to Dublin, sporting a tattoo and shirt that clearly signal he is ok with genocide of minorities. I have friends that are minorities. I care about my friends. It would make me a terrible friend not to be a part of Antifa.

Anyways, that guy didn't seem to be a threat to society. Good to know tho, maybe I'll see him on a clip at a Gemma O'Doherty rally, like the guy who was doing his very limp hailing attempt last week. It's good to know if your country is being invaded by people who try to advocate for killings in that country, don't you think? I know, some of you will disagree and claim that it's sifferent when whites do it, like in Norway again just there.

Again, if they don't seem like a violent threat, like this pretty unassuming guy despite the hate symbols, it's just best to let them know subtly and in a friendly manner that the ideology that they are sporting is in bad taste in the country they are entering. I owe this to my friends and to the history of solidarity this country was built on.

Just focusing on the part where you posed the questions to that guy, would you have persisted to ask him questions in an interrogatory way if he completely blanked you or maybe even refused to answer in English?

I don't know if you subscribe to anarchist philosophy or if you're a socialist, in any case you seem to have appointed yourself as a vanguard against something you see as a threat. Would you be surprised if somebody from an opposing ideology, or even somebody with no ideology took it upon themselves to engage you on your possible beliefs based on your appearance?

Seanachai

snowblind wrote: »

They might not be appealing to you, but they are appealing to a lot of other people. Source: 2018 elections.

Trump voters are afraid of them, of course, because they actually have what it takes to challenge Trump. Trump voters are not afraid of Biden & other Clinton/Obama neoliberals because they know rabid ramblings of Trump can beat a milquetoast message like that.

The conservative useful idiots use whatever means, mostly calling them "crazy", "nuts" etc which will likely to make anyone who takes SSRIs (at least 10% of population) or other mental health meds not really a huge fan of their troll-y agenda, which again bases itself in vulgarities & abusive language. The conservatives are in a hubris right now, thinking they can self own themselves daily and still come out as a winner. That's why having smart & confident leaders like the new democrat squad is very scary to the opposition, and they just keep throwing around completely irrational accusations.

It's also funny trying to see conservatives say that the squad is not popular. Surely if they were not popular, the conservatives would rejoice in that. Again shows how thoroughly conflicted & dishonest they are :pac:

I don't get my opinions from Trump or the US Republican party, that's the same concept that Brexit voters were brainwashed by propaganda. If I saw AOC in a bar speaking and using the same eye movements she does on tv, I'd think she was nuts, sorry for speaking in plain terms.

It's true that the Republicans are milking her antics though, it's looking like the Dems recent gains are a Pyrrhic victory. I don't think it's a prelude to them winning 2020.

Maybe she does suffer from mental illness in which case I'd have sympathy for her, doesn't mean I think she should be in a position of power though or if she even will have staying power at the level she's at.

20Cent

Seanachai wrote: »

Just focusing on the part where you posed the questions to that guy, would you have persisted to ask him questions in an interrogatory way if he completely blanked you or maybe even refused to answer in English?

I don't know if you subscribe to anarchist philosophy or if you're a socialist, in any case you seem to have appointed yourself as a vanguard against something you see as a threat. Would you be surprised if somebody from an opposing ideology, or even somebody with no ideology took it upon themselves to engage you on your possible beliefs based on your appearance?

Nazi ideology is a threat to everyone.
Fair play he approached that guy, people walking around with fascist symbols should always be made uncomfortable. Decent society don't like what he is promoting.

Overheal

Seanachai wrote: »

I don't get my opinions from Trump or the US Republican party, that's the same concept that Brexit voters were brainwashed by propaganda. If I saw AOC in a bar speaking and using the same eye movements she does on tv, I'd think she was nuts, sorry for speaking in plain terms.

It's true that the Republicans are milking her antics though, it's looking like the Dems recent gains are a Pyrrhic victory. I don't think it's a prelude to them winning 2020.

Maybe she does suffer from mental illness in which case I'd have sympathy for her, doesn't mean I think she should be in a position of power though or if she even will have staying power at the level she's at.

Huh

snowblind

Seanachai wrote: »

Just focusing on the part where you posed the questions to that guy, would you have persisted to ask him questions in an interrogatory way if he completely blanked you or maybe even refused to answer in English?

I don't know if you subscribe to anarchist philosophy or if you're a socialist, in any case you seem to have appointed yourself as a vanguard against something you see as a threat. Would you be surprised if somebody from an opposing ideology, or even somebody with no ideology took it upon themselves to engage you on your possible beliefs based on your appearance?

Why would I? As I explained I wasn't there to confront, but to see if I can find more information if he's receptive. It's also about education, I asked him first in the language of the country the airport was in to gauge if he knew the band at all (the band being from the same country as the airport we were in), and switched to english when he wasn't. Then I asked whether he saw them live (would mean an underground RAC fest advertised through only white supremacist groups; try find info on that one and you'll see). If they said they had no idea what the band were I would have taken his word, I wasn't there to catch someone out. I mean of course I then saw his swastika tattoo as well but if he doesn't want to engage in discussion, it's worth neither of ours time.

If they blanked I'd just made a nod of 'got ya' but as I said I never considered this person to be much more than an ignorant racist, the kind that might never try to even propagate it much, a bootlicker due to the need to belong, most likely just spouts stuff online. if he appeared to get aggressive when I asked him (unlikely, actually, based on experience, especially since I'm a white guy asking, and I don't match the 'idea' propagated by media consumed by swastika bros about that Antifa people are 'like').

Also yeah ppl challenge me about ideologies/politics occasionally. The jehovas witnesses have engaged me on the streets and we had an ideological conversation, in a polite manner of course. Just a week ago a young extremely drunk white guy (surprise lol) was thinking he was real funny spouting off old school fake news (refugees are from non war areas, only guys, with iphones, come here and then they get free playstations and expensive prams and local people are put in the back of the queue etc you know the drift). I just laughed him off and neither ended up angry at each other.

- People who challenge your opinons
- dumbasses
- actually bad intentioned violent criminals
All these three categories exist, and the only way to figure out is to ask. if they are willing to discuss, of course. Asking 'why' if they are expressive out it is always helpful.

snowblind

Seanachai wrote: »

I don't get my opinions from Trump or the US Republican party, that's the same concept that Brexit voters were brainwashed by propaganda. If I saw AOC in a bar speaking and using the same eye movements she does on tv, I'd think she was nuts, sorry for speaking in plain terms.

It's true that the Republicans are milking her antics though, it's looking like the Dems recent gains are a Pyrrhic victory. I don't think it's a prelude to them winning 2020.

Maybe she does suffer from mental illness in which case I'd have sympathy for her, doesn't mean I think she should be in a position of power though or if she even will have staying power at the level she's at.

I do not think it's in good taste to speculate about someones mental health, especially based on just aesthetic stuff. Her eye movements? Are you for real. That's some "she most be a lizard!" level stuff. You were the one to call them crazy and nuts, I think she is extremely lucid and more consistent in her actions vs her words than 90% of the democrats in the house.

snowblind

AOC politically isn't that different from democrats only 50 years ago. Since then the people who used to be working class and now unemployed / poor and retired have been sidetracked by the recent democrat presidents. Making it seem like going back to the roots and focusing on people more than the corporate donors, seeing positive projects in human welfare as building blocks for a healthy and prosperous society, are somehow 'crazy' or 'radical' is some real overton window pushing stuff.

The shades of McCarthyism are getting real strong on this chase against the young brown congresswomen, huh?

Blueshoe

After the mass shooting in new Zealand some people were spamming Reddit with videos of the live stream. I clicked into the link of the video and someone had added the background music from the "Doom" computer game.
It was a ****ed up video and I still can remember bits of it clearly.

Some crazy folk out there.