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Antifa [Mod Warning on post #1 - updated 08/08/19]

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    #3392
    p1akuw47h5r3it
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,001 ✭✭✭p1akuw47h5r3it


    SexBobomb wrote: »
    Calling a politician/public figure crazy is so tame, especially on an internet discussion forum. We aren't political commentators influencing policy. People are going to say what they're going to say, please stop trying to tell people how to talk.

    He's a left wing authoritarian. Trying to shame people into speaking or using certain words is part of their modus operandi.


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    #3393
    Seanachai
    Registered Users Posts: 2,544 ✭✭✭Seanachai


    snowblind wrote: »
    I've noticed you like to throw together words in a hope that they will mean something, so.....what?

    I asked a question, you call it "confrontation". Why?

    Definition of "confrontation"


    I asked a question, nothing hostile about it. You keep pushing it, but you have no proof.


    No I'm not, I'm asking questions. Where did I assume authority. Sorry but you are doing the assuming. You assume a lot. You assume that if someone moves their eyes in a specific way, they are mentally ill. I don't make such assumptions, that's all you.


    You define my asking questions as "interrogation" even if it wasn't such. I see you need to redefine things so they can fit your poor conception of what Antifa is. But you aren't looking at what I'm saying, you are using alt right conception of what "Antifa" is and use that to distort what I'm saying. That's just you deciding what the reality is, rather than being critical. just like you deciding who is mentally ill because their eyes. Full quack, just to justify your rambling nonsense.

    Show me where I coerced, interrogated, was hostile? I wasn't. You invented it, because otherwise you'd have to challenge your idea of Antifa you have lifted off some propaganda outlet. How about engage with reality. Oh wait, you don't really do that kinda thing.

    If you don't actually know that approaching a random stranger to scrutinise their political\social beliefs is a form of confrontation, however cordial it was, then I can't help you there, it's the same technique journalists use. You went into the interaction with a pre-conceived notion of that guys beliefs, he wasn't causing any harm to anybody that warranted him being scrutinised.

    There's a myriad of material on Antifa's behaviour and mislabelling of fascists all over the internet, unless those members are an extreme fringe within the org?


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    #3394
    notobtuse
    Registered Users Posts: 5,424 ✭✭✭notobtuse


    ohnonotgmail wrote: »
    you missed an important part of the first amendment. I have bolded the appropriate part
    No I didn't miss it. The Proud Boys said they were going to protest peaceably this weekend. But they will defend themselves against violence brought onto them by Antifa.

    You can ignorantly accuse me of "whataboutism," but what it really is involves identifying similar scenarios in order to see if it holds up when the shoe is on the other foot!



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    #3395
    p1akuw47h5r3it
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    Seanachai wrote: »

    There's a myriad of material on Antifa's behaviour and mislabelling of fascists all over the internet, unless those members are an extreme fringe within the org?

    Indeed, he was provided evidence of this by me earlier in the thread. He ignored it ofcourse.


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    #3396
    snowblind
    Registered Users Posts: 972 ✭✭✭snowblind


    Seanachai wrote: »
    If you don't actually know that approaching a random stranger to scrutinise their political\social beliefs is a form of confrontation, however cordial it was, then I can't help you there, it's the same technique journalists use. You went into the interaction with a pre-conceived notion of that guys beliefs, he wasn't causing any harm to anybody that warranted him being scrutinised.

    There's a myriad of material on Antifa's behaviour and mislabelling of fascists all over the internet, unless those members are an extreme fringe within the org?
    went into the interaction with a pre-conceived notion of that guys beliefs
    False. I really wanted to know if that guy knew what the band stood for. You claim to know that the reality is what you decided it is, yet the facts are not there for you. You are a complete grifter, you clearly don't care about facts at all.
    There's a myriad of material on Antifa's behaviour and mislabelling of fascists all over the internet
    Yep, sounds like you believe anything regardless of source alright.


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    #3397
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users Posts: 40,470 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    notobtuse wrote: »
    No I didn't miss it. The Proud Boys said they were going to protest peaceably this weekend. But they will defend themselves against violence brought onto them by Antifa.

    well that would be a first for the proud boys. you also missed the part where antifa said they would defend portland. you seem to have no problem with violence from your right-wing brethren but get your panties in a bunch when antifa oppose them.


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    #3398
    snowblind
    Registered Users Posts: 972 ✭✭✭snowblind


    ohnonotgmail wrote: »
    well that would be a first for the proud boys. you also missed the part where antifa said they would defend portland. you seem to have no problem with violence from your right-wing brethren but get your panties in a bunch when antifa oppose them.
    That's how these guys work. Double standards for everything, then crying crocodile tears when their provocation has the intended result.

    It's like that kid in the sandbox at 2 yrs old crying for his mother because he needs attention. Just a lot older and none the wiser.


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    #3399
    p1akuw47h5r3it
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    snowblind wrote: »
    False. I really wanted to know if that guy knew what the band stood for. You claim to know that the reality is what you decided it is, yet the facts are not there for you. You are a complete grifter, you clearly don't care about facts at all.

    Yep, sounds like you believe anything regardless of source alright.

    Here, how about this.
    Antifa have expanded their definition of fascist/fascism to include not just white supremacists and other extremists, but also many conservatives and supporters of President Trump. In Berkeley, for example, some antifa were captured on video harassing Trump supporters with no known extremist connections. Antifa have also falsely characterized some recent right wing rallies as “Nazi” events, even though they were not actually white supremacist in nature.
    https://www.adl.org/resources/backgrounders/who-are-the-antifa

    From an anti-hate group set up
    in 1913 in response to an escalating climate of anti-Semitism and bigotry, its timeless mission is to protect the Jewish people and to secure justice and fair treatment for all. Today, ADL continues to fight all forms of hate with the same vigor and passion. ADL is a global leader in exposing extremism


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    #3400
    p1akuw47h5r3it
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    ohnonotgmail wrote: »
    well that would be a first for the proud boys. you also missed the part where antifa said they would defend portland. you seem to have no problem with violence from your right-wing brethren but get your panties in a bunch when antifa oppose them.

    Portland doesn't need defending. It's got Police, national guardsmen and ofcourse the United States military to do that for it.


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    #3401
    snowblind
    Registered Users Posts: 972 ✭✭✭snowblind


    In the Wake of Two Mass Shootings, Fake News Proliferates on Social Media
    Mass shooting events are a prime opportunity for far-right trolls to push their own political agendas — and this time it had to do with antifa and Charlottesville

    Exact same thing is happening here, and it's completely transparent.

    Of course the alt right trolls use exactly the same argument. The same sources. "There are a lot of stuff on the internet about Antifa" says the person who thinks "internet" at wide is a trustworthy source while refusing to consider any links from sources Trump has derangedly rambled against.

    That's some wholly independent thinking :eek: I mean completely malevolent and intentionally fraudulent propagandism.

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    #3402
    snowblind
    Registered Users Posts: 972 ✭✭✭snowblind


    DanDan6592 wrote: »
    Portland doesn't need defending. It's got Police, national guardsmen and ofcourse the United States military to do that for it.
    It's funny how the right has two opinions about the government forces

    - It's completely neutral and always does its job perfectly
    - Everyone needs to hoard guns because we cannot trust the government and their use of power

    One is for Antifa, one is for self.


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    #3403
    p1akuw47h5r3it
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    snowblind wrote: »
    In the Wake of Two Mass Shootings, Fake News Proliferates on Social Media



    Of course the alt right trolls use exactly the same argument. The same sources. "There are a lot of stuff on the internet about Antifa" says the person who thinks "internet" at wide is a trustworthy source while refusing to consider any links from sources Trump has derangedly rambled against.

    That's some wholly independent thinking :eek: I mean completely malevolent and intentionally fraudulent propagandism.

    Whose that aimed at? The link I've given is from a group set up to fight anti-semitism. Hardly "alt-right".


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    #3404
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users Posts: 40,470 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    DanDan6592 wrote: »
    Portland doesn't need defending. It's got Police, national guardsmen and ofcourse the United States military to do that for it.

    you mean the police who stand by and do nothing?


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    #3405
    p1akuw47h5r3it
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    snowblind wrote: »
    It's funny how the right has two opinions about the government forces

    - It's completely neutral and always does its job perfectly
    - Everyone needs to hoard guns because we cannot trust the government and their use of power

    One is for Antifa, one is for self.

    I'm not right-wing nor pro-guns.


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    #3406
    SexBobomb
    Registered Users Posts: 442 ✭✭SexBobomb


    ohnonotgmail wrote: »
    . ...you also missed the part where antifa said they would defend portland.....
    Since when do Antifa get to just decide that they are the law in Portland and that they represent the population ??


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    #3407
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users Posts: 40,470 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    SexBobomb wrote: »
    Since when do Antifa get to just decide that they are the law in Portland and that they represent the population ??

    they represent themselves. do they not have the same right to protest as your fascist friends?


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    #3408
    p1akuw47h5r3it
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    SexBobomb wrote: »
    Since when do Antifa get to just decide that they are the law in Portland and that they represent the population ??

    They're authoritarians. In their heads they get to decide on anything they want.


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    #3409
    snowblind
    Registered Users Posts: 972 ✭✭✭snowblind


    DanDan6592 wrote: »
    I'm not right-wing nor pro-guns.
    Haha yeah right!


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    #3410
    notobtuse
    Registered Users Posts: 5,424 ✭✭✭notobtuse


    ohnonotgmail wrote: »
    they represent themselves. do they not have the same right to protest as your fascist friends?

    Hilarious! In a couple of posts back you noted of Antifa…

    'you also missed the part where antifa said they would defend portland.'

    And now you state they represent themselves.

    Do you not think we read your posts and have a memory?

    You can ignorantly accuse me of "whataboutism," but what it really is involves identifying similar scenarios in order to see if it holds up when the shoe is on the other foot!



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    #3411
    snowblind
    Registered Users Posts: 972 ✭✭✭snowblind


    SexBobomb wrote: »
    Since when do Antifa get to just decide that they are the law in Portland and that they represent the population ??

    Oh yes, how dare they claim that Portlandians have a right to defend attacks at their minorities!

    Everyone has a responsibility to defend the minorities under attack. It's included in any books of ethics or religious texts. But you would just keel over and lick their boots. Sounds about right.


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    #3412
    p1akuw47h5r3it
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    snowblind wrote: »
    Haha yeah right!

    See you are very typical of Anti-fa and their supporters. If I don't agree with everything you say, and your methods to achieve what it is you want to achieve, I'm instantly thought of as "right-wing", "pro-guns", a "conservative" etc.

    It's why people like you and other Anti-fa members are so quick to judge so many as Fascist and Nazis. In your head if I, a social liberal, pro-socialised healthcare like we have in Europe, pro-gun control (in fact I'd ban guns), think military spending should be reduced etc. am right-wing, well then what does that make actuall right wingers?

    Oh thats right, far right, alt-right, fascists, Nazis...


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    #3413
    notobtuse
    Registered Users Posts: 5,424 ✭✭✭notobtuse


    snowblind wrote: »
    Oh yes, how dare they claim that Portlandians have a right to defend attacks at their minorities!

    Everyone has a responsibility to defend the minorities under attack. It's included in any books of ethics or religious texts. But you would just keel over and lick their boots. Sounds about right.

    Yes, defend peaceably. Admirable, even. But peaceably is not what Antifa does... Look at that car over there, it looks like a fascist car because it's white, lets burn it. :pac:

    You can ignorantly accuse me of "whataboutism," but what it really is involves identifying similar scenarios in order to see if it holds up when the shoe is on the other foot!



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    #3414
    SexBobomb
    Registered Users Posts: 442 ✭✭SexBobomb


    ohnonotgmail wrote: »
    they represent themselves. do they not have the same right to protest as your fascist friends?

    I don't have any fascist friends, you don't know me. Nice attempt at a straw man but yes they do have a right to peaceful protest Your masked thug heroes paint themselves as "defending portland" as if they represent portland.
    ohnonotgmail wrote: »
    . you also missed the part where antifa said they would defend portland..

    In reality the people of portland are sick of these groups wrecking their city.


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    #3415
    SexBobomb
    Registered Users Posts: 442 ✭✭SexBobomb


    snowblind wrote: »
    Oh yes, how dare they claim that Portlandians have a right to defend attacks at their minorities!

    Everyone has a responsibility to defend the minorities under attack. It's included in any books of ethics or religious texts. But you would just keel over and lick their boots. Sounds about right.

    Antifa are not the people of Portland, of course people from Portland are members but for Antifa to say we are Portland is dishonest. What about people from Portland who are in the proud boys, are the proud boys Portland now ?
    You're a joke, too emotional by far. We don't agree with antifas tactics so that means we are in favour of minorities being attacked (like andy ngo) ? No.
    Simple minded reasoning and Pathetic.


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    #3416
    ohnonotgmail
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    notobtuse wrote: »
    Hilarious! In a couple of posts back you noted of Antifa…

    'you also missed the part where antifa said they would defend portland.'

    And now you state they represent themselves.

    Do you not think we read your posts and have a memory?

    unless they are all only bussed for the day (which is what the proud boys do) they are defending their own town.


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    #3417
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users Posts: 40,470 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    SexBobomb wrote: »
    I don't have any fascist friends, you don't know me. Nice attempt at a straw man but yes they do have a right to peaceful protest Your masked thug heroes paint themselves as "defending portland" as if they represent portland.



    In reality the people of portland are sick of these groups wrecking their city.

    You can only mean the proud boys here. without the proud boys there would be no need for antifa to march at all.


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    #3418
    notobtuse
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    ohnonotgmail wrote: »
    unless they are all only bussed for the day (which is what the proud boys do) they are defending their own town.
    It looks like you Antifa supporters have a full staff on hand to keep moving those goalposts. Best to keep some around so they don’t travel to Portland in order to beat up peaceful protestors and destroy unarmed personal property.

    You can ignorantly accuse me of "whataboutism," but what it really is involves identifying similar scenarios in order to see if it holds up when the shoe is on the other foot!



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    #3419
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users Posts: 40,470 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    notobtuse wrote: »
    It looks like you Antifa supporters have a full staff on hand to keep moving those goalposts. Best to keep some around so they don’t travel to Portland in order to beat up peaceful protestors and destroy unarmed personal property.

    keep yakking away. the rest of the world is on to you and your kind.


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    #3420
    snowblind
    Registered Users Posts: 972 ✭✭✭snowblind


    notobtuse wrote: »
    Yes, defend peaceably. Admirable, even. But peaceably is not what Antifa does... Look at that car over there, it looks like a fascist car because it's white, lets burn it. :pac:

    Oh yes, the alt right that murders minorities and political opponents weekly, why don't antifa oppose them more peacefully!

    In 1930s, why did the Antifa raise their voices at the nazis? So rude!


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    #3421
    snowblind
    Registered Users Posts: 972 ✭✭✭snowblind


    SexBobomb wrote: »
    Antifa are not the people of Portland, of course people from Portland are members but for Antifa to say we are Portland is dishonest. What about people from Portland who are in the proud boys, are the proud boys Portland now ?
    You're a joke, too emotional by far. We don't agree with antifas tactics so that means we are in favour of minorities being attacked (like andy ngo) ? No.
    Simple minded reasoning and Pathetic.
    No one is the people of Portland, only if every one comes it is the people of Portland. So none should do anything. Of course a supporter of proud boys should say that!

    We all have a responsibility to defend our minorities. If you claim otherwise, it seems like you are ok with allowing the minorities to be attacked without any support. Death to humane values and solidarity, eh?

    The Proud Boys said they're ready to use violence. I bet you have no problem of that. Seems like targeting minorities is what makes violence good for you.


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