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Antifa [Mod Warning on post #1 - updated 08/08/19]

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    #3872
    notobtuse
    Registered Users Posts: 5,424 ✭✭✭notobtuse


    Matt Barrett wrote: »
    You and Trump.
    You know Churchill was a racist right? I won't tell, you keep your bust ;)
    And a lot of people are alive and free because of Churchill.

    You can ignorantly accuse me of "whataboutism," but what it really is involves identifying similar scenarios in order to see if it holds up when the shoe is on the other foot!



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    #3873
    Kimsang
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,170 ✭✭✭Kimsang


    Matt Barrett wrote: »
    You and Trump.
    You know Churchill was a racist right? I won't tell, you keep your bust ;)

    Kehinde Andrews fan? God I hate that guy.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eoP4KuKOIuM


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    #3874
    20Cent
    Registered Users Posts: 8,939 ✭✭✭20Cent


    Even just this thread shows how easily racism and fascism is normalised. Needs to be fought at every step. Start off discussing statues and after a while arguments for the confederacy and how nazis weren't so bad start.


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    #3875
    notobtuse
    Registered Users Posts: 5,424 ✭✭✭notobtuse


    20Cent wrote: »
    Even just this thread shows how easily racism and fascism is normalised. Needs to be fought at every step. Start off discussing statues and after a while arguments for the confederacy and how nazis weren't so bad start.
    Most don’t hold our ancestors to the moral standards of today.

    Others render judgment of anyone from the past by today’s moral standards. These people might as well start burning history books in their entirety.

    You can ignorantly accuse me of "whataboutism," but what it really is involves identifying similar scenarios in order to see if it holds up when the shoe is on the other foot!



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    #3876
    Brian?
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 21,438 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    Franz Von Peppercorn II wrote: »
    Why are you so concerned with their traitorousness though?

    And it’s primarily because they are racists that we oppose them today, if the southern states had other reasons to secede then they would not be so despised.

    I’m not really concerned with it. I just find it bizarre that people defend the memorials as being somber monuments to fallen heroes.

    they/them/theirs


    And so on, and so on …. - Slavoj Žižek




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    #3877
    Kimsang
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,170 ✭✭✭Kimsang


    20Cent wrote: »
    Even just this thread shows how easily racism and fascism is normalised. Needs to be fought at every step. Start off discussing statues and after a while arguments for the confederacy and how nazis weren't so bad start.

    This thread shows me how people view the world in black and white and have no regard for nuance. These people frighten me.


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    #3878
    Outlaw Pete
    Registered Users Posts: 10,423 ✭✭✭✭Outlaw Pete


    20Cent wrote: »
    Even just this thread shows how easily racism and fascism is normalised.

    I agree.

    Amazing how a fascist group like Antifa can get supported when they want to beat people just because they have a different view. Even the smashing up of venues which those they are opposed to are about to speak is fascistic behavior and yes, it has been normalised on this thread given how it's been excused.

    Very little condemnation from the left also on how black people are often called coons and worse just because of their political stances (or even in some cases, merely going about their jobs).


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    #3879
    20Cent
    Registered Users Posts: 8,939 ✭✭✭20Cent


    Outlaw Pete wrote: »
    I agree.

    Amazing how a fascist group like Antifa can get supported when they want to beat people just because they have a different view. Even the smashing up of venues which those they are opposed to are about to speak is fascistic behavior and yes, it has been normalised on this thread given how it's been excused.

    Very little condemnation from the left also on how black people are often called coons and worse just because of their political stances (or even in some cases, merely going about their jobs).

    Not really.

    Trump is having rallies all accross America.
    How come antifa arent showing up at them and "beating people up".
    Antifa confront fascists and racists like American Guard the lot in the bus. They make itdifficult for them to increase their profile and recruit. They say that it's not normal to have fascists marching around the place.

    Good on them.


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    #3880
    Billy Mays
    Registered Users Posts: 3,237 ✭✭✭Billy Mays


    How far gone do you have to be to think "fine people don't go to neo nazi rallies" isn't a coherent argument? :eek:


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    #3881
    Outlaw Pete
    Registered Users Posts: 10,423 ✭✭✭✭Outlaw Pete


    20Cent wrote: »
    Trump is having rallies all accross America.
    How come antifa arent showing up at them and "beating people up".

    Antifa went to many rallys but they didn't fare well so now they tend to just try and get a few stragglers here and there.
    Antifa confront fascists and racists like American Guard the lot in the bus. They make itdifficult for them to increase their profile and recruit. They say that it's not normal to have fascists marching around the place.

    You can't honestly believe that. Surely you must realise that the actions of Antifa are acting like a recruitment drive for these groups. Proud Boys in particular seem to be on the rise and it's hardly surprising when you have footage of pups hitting people with flag poles, bike locks and throwing bricks.
    Billy Mays wrote: »
    How far gone do you have to be to think "fine people don't go to neo nazi rallies" isn't a coherent argument? :eek:

    Your argument is weak, incoherent and illogical.

    It's quite sad that you would think it a good argument to merely say that anyone that marched in the protest could not be a good/fine person just because white supremacists were also in attendance. Again there were Charlottesville locals, civic nationalists, conservative groups, some alt-right etc etc.


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    #3882
    20Cent
    Registered Users Posts: 8,939 ✭✭✭20Cent


    Outlaw Pete wrote: »
    Antifa went to many rallys but they didn't fare well so now they tend to just try and get a few stragglers here and there.



    You can't honestly believe that. Surely you must realise that the actions of Antifa are acting like a recruitment drive for these groups. Proud Boys in particular seem to be on the rise and it's hardly surprising when you have footage of pups hitting people with flag poles, bike locks and throwing bricks.



    Your argument is weak, incoherent and illogical.

    It's quite sad that you would think it a good argument to merely say that anyone that marched in the protest could not be a good/fine person just because white supremacists were also in attendance. Again there were Charlottesville locals, civic nationalists, conservative groups, some alt-right etc etc.

    Proud boys are shedding members faster than something shedding very quickly.


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    #3883
    James Brown
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,013 ✭✭✭✭James Brown


    notobtuse wrote: »
    Most don’t hold our ancestors to the moral standards of today.

    Others render judgment of anyone from the past by today’s moral standards. These people might as well start burning history books in their entirety.

    The statue wasn't a memory though.
    It's the right doing the editing of history.
    Texas board votes to eliminate Hillary Clinton, Helen Keller from history curriculum

    The board also voted to keep in the curriculum a reference to the "heroism" of the defenders of the Alamo, which had been recommended for elimination, as well as Moses' influence on the writing of the nation's founding documents, multiple references to "Judeo-Christian" values and a requirement that students explain how the "Arab rejection of the State of Israel has led to ongoing conflict" in the Middle East.
    https://www.dallasnews.com/news/education/2018/09/14/history-curriculum-texas-remembers-alamo-forgets-hillary-clinton-helen-keller

    Seemingly Moses was a big influence on the founding fathers :rolleyes:


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    #3884
    Billy Mays
    Registered Users Posts: 3,237 ✭✭✭Billy Mays


    Outlaw Pete wrote: »
    Your argument is weak, incoherent and illogical.

    It's quite sad that you would think it a good argument to merely say that anyone that marched in the protest could not be a good/fine person just because white supremacists were also in attendance. Again there were Charlottesville locals, civic nationalists, conservative groups, some alt-right etc etc.
    No my argument is none of the above. Your excuses for people marching at rallies/protests organized by actual neo nazis are beyond pathetic. It doesn't matter what the cause was. If you took part in that protest knowing who organized it and having seen what happened at the pathetic little tiki torch parade the night before (you know the one Pete, with the "jews will not replace us" and "blood and soil" chants) you're anything but a fine person.

    Do you think people who go on marches organized by the political wing of the latest incarnation of the IRA are fine people?


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    #3885
    Outlaw Pete
    Registered Users Posts: 10,423 ✭✭✭✭Outlaw Pete


    Billy Mays wrote: »
    No my argument is none of the above. Your excuses for people marching at rallies/protests organized by actual neo nazis are beyond pathetic. It doesn't matter what the cause was. If you took part in that protest knowing who organized it and having seen what happened at the pathetic little tiki torch parade the night before (you know the one Pete, with the "jews will not replace us" and "blood and soil" chants) you're anything but a fine person.

    Like I said: illogical nonsense. How in the hell can it 'not matter' what the cause was for heaven sake?
    Do you think people who go on marches organized by the political wing of the latest incarnation of the IRA are fine people?

    If it was a protest to take down the James Connolly statue (for example) and it was heralded as a 'Unite Nationalists' march, then of course decent people would attend. I'm not sure why you are still struggling with this. The protest was not just attended by Neo-Nazis and White Nationalists. End of story. I know you want so badly to be right, but you're not. Trump said there were fine people there, other than the Neo Nazis and White Supremacists, and he was right, there was.

    It's childish to be saying:
    "Ahhh, everybody, look!! Trump said there was fine people marching in Charlottesville but there was only Nazis there and so he was calling Nazis fine people!!!"

    It's been two years. Let it go already. Even if you all were right (you're not, clearly) it wouldn't matter anyway as the man has denounced white supremacy multiple bloody times.

    Here he is the year before Charlottlesville and before he was even elected saying he doesn't even want their votes:


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WLukCE3vwwA


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    #3886
    Billy Mays
    Registered Users Posts: 3,237 ✭✭✭Billy Mays


    Well if the man who's told 12,000 lies since he took office said something then it must be true


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    #3887
    Woodsie1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 949 ✭✭✭Woodsie1


    Billy Mays wrote: »
    Well if the man who's told 12,000 lies since he took office said something then it must be true

    Go away outta that,you believe him when it suits you:pac:


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    #3888
    Billy Mays
    Registered Users Posts: 3,237 ✭✭✭Billy Mays


    Woodsie1 wrote: »
    Go away outta that,you believe him when it suits you:pac:
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    #3889
    Outlaw Pete
    Registered Users Posts: 10,423 ✭✭✭✭Outlaw Pete


    20Cent wrote: »
    Proud boys are shedding members faster than something shedding very quickly.

    I think that's believed only cause Gavin quit and Tarrio was deplatformed but either way, Antifa will not get away with their activities to the degree they have in the past. What the did to Ngo was a game changer and that was why there has been more opposition of late wherever they go. If it's not the Proud Boys, then it be another group.

    Hopefully though, it won't come to that and the Police will have their cards marked. Trump is intent on seeing that they don't get away with their crap any longer, one way or the other, and that seems to have had an affect with regards to the policing of them.

    That's of course assuming they don't just wipe themselves out in the meantime.


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A-VZ69oSJg8


    https://twitter.com/stillgray/status/1162839442777788416


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    #3890
    20Cent
    Registered Users Posts: 8,939 ✭✭✭20Cent


    The KKK aren't labeled a terrorist group, loads of violent white supremacists who have killed dozens aren't either.

    Yet trump wants to make left wing protesters a terrorist group. Makes ya think which side he's on.


    I'm sure the freedumb crowd would be against rounding up people just because of their political opinions.


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    #3891
    Blueshoe
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,964 ✭✭✭Blueshoe


    20Cent wrote: »
    The KKK aren't labeled a terrorist group, loads of violent white supremacists who have killed dozens aren't either.

    Yet trump wants to make left wing protesters a terrorist group. Makes ya think which side he's on.


    I'm sure the freedumb crowd would be against rounding up people just because of their political opinions.

    Sounds like a softening in your rhetoric. Folded quicker than this masked coward hit the deck

    https://youtu.be/XjVbtkzdCAs


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    #3892
    Woodsie1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 949 ✭✭✭Woodsie1


    20Cent wrote: »
    The KKK aren't labeled a terrorist group, loads of violent white supremacists who have killed dozens aren't either.

    Yet trump wants to make left wing protesters a terrorist group. Makes ya think which side he's on.


    I'm sure the freedumb crowd would be against rounding up people just because of their political opinions.

    Antifa are the only ones acting like a terrorist group,more spoofing and bull.


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    #3893
    20Cent
    Registered Users Posts: 8,939 ✭✭✭20Cent


    Woodsie1 wrote: »
    Antifa are the only ones acting like a terrorist group,more spoofing and bull.

    In what way are they like a terrorist group?


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    #3894
    Woodsie1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 949 ✭✭✭Woodsie1


    Using physical violence to pursue political and social aims,Dayton shooter,attempt ICE bombing,anti police.


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    #3895
    20Cent
    Registered Users Posts: 8,939 ✭✭✭20Cent


    Woodsie1 wrote: »
    Using physical violence to pursue political and social aims,Dayton shooter,attempt ICE bombing,anti police.

    Anyone claiming Dayton was antifa is believing too much Andy Ngo.
    "Ice bombing" with no bomb.

    Pure rubbish.
    Your average motorbike gang has done far more than antifa make them all terrorists as well.


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    #3896
    Woodsie1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 949 ✭✭✭Woodsie1


    20Cent wrote: »
    Anyone claiming Dayton was antifa is believing too much Andy Ngo.
    "Ice bombing" with no bomb.

    Pure rubbish.
    Your average motorbike gang has done far more than antifa make them all terrorists as well.

    Nope,youre wrong again....its becoming a very obvious pattern 20p


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    #3897
    20Cent
    Registered Users Posts: 8,939 ✭✭✭20Cent


    Woodsie1 wrote: »
    Nope,youre wrong again....its becoming a very obvious pattern 20p

    Hard to have a discussion when one side just makes things up out of thin air. Bad faith actors.


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    #3898
    20Cent
    Registered Users Posts: 8,939 ✭✭✭20Cent


    Imagine a white supremacist rally.
    Armed men with swastikas giving speeches about the master race and making America a white ethnostate. The locaks come along to protest. Paramilitary style police arrest the locals and charge them with terrorism.

    Thata what trump, ted cruz and most of all the supremacists want.


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    #3899
    SexBobomb
    Registered Users Posts: 442 ✭✭SexBobomb


    20Cent wrote: »
    Hard to have a discussion when one side just makes things up out of thin air. Bad faith actors.
    20Cent wrote: »
    Imagine a white supremacist rally.
    Armed men with swastikas giving speeches about the master race and making America a white ethnostate. The locaks come along to protest. Paramilitary style police arrest the locals and charge them with terrorism.

    Thata what trump, ted cruz and most of all the supremacists want.

    simply stunning


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    #3900
    Ironicname
    Registered Users Posts: 1,177 ✭✭✭Ironicname


    20Cent wrote: »
    Imagine a white supremacist rally.
    Armed men with swastikas giving speeches about the master race and making America a white ethnostate. The locaks come along to protest. Paramilitary style police arrest the locals and charge them with terrorism.

    Thata what trump, ted cruz and most of all the supremacists want.

    Oh...my...god.

    Never go full retard.


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    #3901
    Eric Cartman
    Registered Users Posts: 26,280 ✭✭✭✭Eric Cartman


    20Cent wrote: »
    Imagine a white supremacist rally.
    Armed men with swastikas giving speeches about the master race and making America a white ethnostate. The locaks come along to protest. Paramilitary style police arrest the locals and charge them with terrorism.

    Thata what trump, ted cruz and most of all the supremacists want.
    Take up a career in dystopian sci-fi, this is fascinating stuff.

    Chapter 2 : mike pence being hauled along in a golden carraige drawn by 8 transgender black slaves


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