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Antifa [Mod Warning on post #1 - updated 08/08/19]

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    #4082
    Overheal
    Registered Users Posts: 83,603 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Woodsie1 wrote: »
    Pure and utter scutter....heres another clip of Antifa trying to stab somebody who did absolutely nothing to antagonise them



    oh wait its from your bogeyman Brandon so Youll try dismiss it.:rolleyes:
    Because you don’t find it odd


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    #4083
    Woodsie1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 949 ✭✭✭Woodsie1


    Overheal wrote: »
    Because you don’t find it odd

    Find what odd?


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    #4084
    Overheal
    Registered Users Posts: 83,603 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Woodsie1 wrote: »
    Find what odd?

    That this guy instigates this constantly, or the fact that he just happens to be in the right place to stop an alleged stabbing, but doesn’t do anything else to stop the guy, detain him, nothing, and actually turns his back on this guy he thinks was seconds from stabbing someone else; we don’t hear any of the dialog he alleged happened even though earlier in the video there was enough audio pickup to allegedly hear someone in the crowd getting maced. And his whole argument for the video is, note, not to appeal to the cops to catch this perp, but rather to the POTUS to declare Antifa a terror organization. All sorts of yellow flags to throw at this video and this guy.


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    #4085
    Woodsie1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 949 ✭✭✭Woodsie1


    Overheal wrote: »
    That this guy instigates this constantly, or the fact that he just happens to be in the right place to stop an alleged stabbing, but doesn’t do anything else to stop the guy, detain him, nothing, and actually turns his back on this guy he thinks was seconds from stabbing someone else; we don’t hear any of the dialog he alleged happened even though earlier in the video there was enough audio pickup to allegedly hear someone in the crowd getting maced. And his whole argument for the video is, note, not to appeal to the cops to catch this perp, but rather to the POTUS to declare Antifa a terror organization. All sorts of yellow flags to throw at this video and this guy.

    More nonsense from you...the video isnt from Brandon...who cares what Brandons motivation is in regards to this vid,the point is Antifa trying to stab an innocent person.
    No provocation,no nothing.
    I was right that youd focus on the person who highlighted it and not the actual content of the video.
    Says a lot about you...pretty poor form...although its expected from the likes of you and your ilk.


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    #4086
    Overheal
    Registered Users Posts: 83,603 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Woodsie1 wrote: »
    More nonsense from you...the video isnt from Brandon...who cares what Brandons motivation is in regards to this vid,the point is Antifa trying to stab an innocent person.
    No provocation,no nothing.
    I was right that youd focus on the person who highlighted it and not the actual content of the video.
    Says a lot about you...pretty poor form...although its expected from the likes of you and your ilk.
    Uhm..... yes it is. So you didn’t watch it at all I see. You egg me on to watch it and you don’t even watch it yourself? Piss off with that. We don’t even have any confirmation it was a knife. You clearly didn’t watch the video and rather than engage my breakdown of it you just repeat the same misinformation. It doesn’t bother you in the slightest that the guy things he’s just stopped a stabbing and then turns his back on that alleged attacker? You’ve got blinders on.


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    #4087
    Brian?
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 21,438 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    Ironicname wrote: »
    You seem to arbitrarily choose when to take trump's words literally and devoid of context

    Really? I thought I always took him literally. There is no hidden depth to the man.

    they/them/theirs


    And so on, and so on …. - Slavoj Žižek




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    #4088
    Brian?
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 21,438 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    notobtuse wrote: »
    In order to stop being disingenuous, here is Trump and the chosen one comment if full context. I don’t know how anyone who claims to know anything about current politics regarding Trump wouldn’t know what he meant... unless they're intent on being dishonest, that is.


    So maybe I don't know anything about politics then. But that was a deranged rant.

    they/them/theirs


    And so on, and so on …. - Slavoj Žižek




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    #4089
    20Cent
    Registered Users Posts: 8,939 ✭✭✭20Cent


    Overheal wrote: »
    Uhm..... yes it is. So you didn’t watch it at all I see. You egg me on to watch it and you don’t even watch it yourself? Piss off with that. We don’t even have any confirmation it was a knife. You clearly didn’t watch the video and rather than engage my breakdown of it you just repeat the same misinformation. It doesn’t bother you in the slightest that the guy things he’s just stopped a stabbing and then turns his back on that alleged attacker? You’ve got blinders on.

    The wildest part about the whole thing is there is a whole grifter industry out there churning out lies, edited videos and hours of rants. It's right wing people they are manipulating. But if you point it out they get mad at you!
    I'd get mad at the people lying to me!
    Andy Ngo disgraced himself with the coverage of the last protest. He tweeted videos implying he was there. Every tweet reply adds additional context which Ngo left out and changes the story.


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    #4090
    MadYaker
    Registered Users Posts: 12,223 ✭✭✭✭MadYaker


    Have they killed anyone? Have they carried any actual acts of terror? What’s the argument for them being labeled a terrorist organization? How do they identify their members and who is their leader?

    Seems like many on the right in the US have seen recent mass killings motivated by extreme right wing views and are desperate to point at the other side and say “see they’re just as bad as us!” But shouting abuse and scuffling at rallies isn’t quite the same as carrying out a mass shooting or killing some with a car.

    Can Trump class then as a terrorist organization via executive order?


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    #4091
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users Posts: 40,470 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    Brian? wrote: »
    Really? I thought I always took him literally. There is no hidden depth to the man.

    the man has hidden shallows.


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    #4092
    MadYaker
    Registered Users Posts: 12,223 ✭✭✭✭MadYaker


    Woodsie1 wrote: »
    Pure and utter scutter....heres another clip of Antifa trying to stab somebody who did absolutely nothing to antagonise them



    oh wait its from your bogeyman Brandon so Youll try dismiss it.:rolleyes:

    Why do you just believe the guy? He claims all kinds of stuff like certain people are planted there for reasons and offers no proof. The guy in question had something in his hand alright, it may have been a weapon but he made no attempt to stab anyone. This whole antifa stuff is beyond pathetic.


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    #4093
    hetuzozaho
    Registered Users Posts: 2,840 ✭✭✭hetuzozaho


    Do we actually have a few Proud Boys among us?


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    #4094
    SexBobomb
    Registered Users Posts: 442 ✭✭SexBobomb


    hetuzozaho wrote: »
    Do we actually have a few Proud Boys among us?

    I doubt it I don't think a group like that would make sense outside of the US, as far as I know being massively pro America is a big part of it.


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    #4095
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users Posts: 40,470 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    hetuzozaho wrote: »
    Do we actually have a few Proud Boys among us?

    there are certainly a couple here that support them.


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    #4096
    Ironicname
    Registered Users Posts: 1,177 ✭✭✭Ironicname


    hetuzozaho wrote: »
    Do we actually have a few Proud Boys among us?

    I don't think there is an Irish proud boys group.


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    #4097
    Ironicname
    Registered Users Posts: 1,177 ✭✭✭Ironicname


    ohnonotgmail wrote: »
    there are certainly a couple here that support them.

    Shock horror.


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    #4098
    20Cent
    Registered Users Posts: 8,939 ✭✭✭20Cent


    hetuzozaho wrote: »
    Do we actually have a few Proud Boys among us?

    The no **** rule would dissuade potential recruits.


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    #4099
    Brian?
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 21,438 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    20Cent wrote: »
    The no **** rule would dissuade potential recruits.

    It certainly put me off. A man has urges.

    they/them/theirs


    And so on, and so on …. - Slavoj Žižek




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    #4100
    notobtuse
    Registered Users Posts: 5,424 ✭✭✭notobtuse


    ohnonotgmail wrote: »
    there are certainly a couple here that support them.
    From what I've read so far it seems then you aren't paying attention. We don't support the Proud Boys, we support their right to protest PEACEFULLY. We also support Antifa's right to protest PEACEFULLY. That doesn't mean we support Antifa. But Antifa protests with VIOLENCE with a goal of shutting down free speech and speech they don't agree with, and that is what should not be tolerated.

    Here is the reasoning why people support the Proud Boys right to protest: The Supreme Court has made it clear that the First Amendment protects even very offensive racist, sexist and homophobic speech. Supreme Court has said speech what is not protected by the First Amendment includes incitement of illegal activity, obscenity, child pornography and defamatory speech. Also, there is no right to engage in speech that causes others to reasonably fear for their safety; “true threats” are not protected by the First Amendment. We don’t need the First Amendment to protect the speech the majority of us like. Society would allow that to occur anyway. The First Amendment is needed for speech that the majority detests and wants to eliminate.

    Funny how ya'll only key on the Proud Boys. Antifa have also violently targeted conservative speaker's right to speak on campuses. And they have been successful as colleges have cancelled conservative speakers out of fear of violence by Antifa. That should scare the hell out of everyone who believes in free speech.

    You can ignorantly accuse me of "whataboutism," but what it really is involves identifying similar scenarios in order to see if it holds up when the shoe is on the other foot!



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    #4101
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users Posts: 40,470 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    notobtuse wrote: »
    From what I've read so far it seems then you aren't paying attention. We don't support the Proud Boys, we support their right to protest PEACEFULLY. We also support Antifa's right to protest PEACEFULLY. That doesn't mean we support Antifa. But Antifa protests with VIOLENCE with a goal of shutting down free speech and speech they don't agree with, and that is what should not be tolerated.

    Here is the reasoning why people support the Proud Boys right to protest: The Supreme Court has made it clear that the First Amendment protects even very offensive racist, sexist and homophobic speech. Supreme Court has said speech what is not protected by the First Amendment includes incitement of illegal activity, obscenity, child pornography and defamatory speech. Also, there is no right to engage in speech that causes others to reasonably fear for their safety; “true threats” are not protected by the First Amendment. We don’t need the First Amendment to protect the speech the majority of us like. Society would allow that to occur anyway. The First Amendment is needed for speech that the majority detests and wants to eliminate.

    Funny how ya'll only key on the Proud Boys. Antifa have also violently targeted conservative speaker's right to speak on campuses. And they have been successful as colleges have cancelled conservative speakers out of fear of violence by Antifa. That should scare the hell out of everyone who believes in free speech.

    Sure Jan.


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    #4102
    hetuzozaho
    Registered Users Posts: 2,840 ✭✭✭hetuzozaho


    Ironicname wrote: »
    I don't think there is an Irish proud boys group.

    I think some of the posters in this thread are based in US.

    I don't see masturbation mentioned in their central tenets:
    Proud Boys‘ values center on the following tenets:

    Minimal Government
    Maximum Freedom
    Anti-Political Correctness
    Anti-Drug War
    Closed Borders
    Anti-Racial Guilt
    Anti-Racism
    Pro-Free Speech (1st Amendment)
    Pro-Gun Rights (2nd Amendment)
    Glorifying the Entrepreneur
    Venerating the Housewife
    Reinstating a Spirit of Western Chauvinism

    Their march looks of good quality anyway :)https://proudofyourstore.com


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    #4103
    notobtuse
    Registered Users Posts: 5,424 ✭✭✭notobtuse


    ohnonotgmail wrote: »
    Sure Jan.
    Sad!

    You can ignorantly accuse me of "whataboutism," but what it really is involves identifying similar scenarios in order to see if it holds up when the shoe is on the other foot!



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    #4104
    Ironicname
    Registered Users Posts: 1,177 ✭✭✭Ironicname


    hetuzozaho wrote: »
    I think some of the posters in this thread are based in US.

    I don't see masturbation mentioned in their central tenets:

    True. Sorry about that.

    Yeah the no **** rule was mentioned by founder Gavin McInnes but is not actually a requirement. That was more or less tongue in cheek.


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    #4105
    Brian?
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 21,438 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    hetuzozaho wrote: »
    I think some of the posters in this thread are based in US.

    I don't see masturbation mentioned in their central tenets:

    What exactly is western chauvinism?

    they/them/theirs


    And so on, and so on …. - Slavoj Žižek




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    #4106
    Eric Cartman
    Registered Users Posts: 26,280 ✭✭✭✭Eric Cartman


    Outlaw Pete wrote: »
    So what...

    Obama said that he was a Muslim and his wife's name was Michael.

    Liberals spent eight fcuking years telling everyone not to nitpick on Obama's words (and I was in agreement with you all at the time - it was somewhat head wrecking) yet the same people have held a microscope over every damn syllable Trump has uttered since he announced his was running for president and played the most disingenuous and juvenile games of 'gotcha' I have ever witnessed and with no end in sight. Context and intent seemingly suddenly meaningless.

    But to be fair to liberals worldwide, why wouldn't you all, given that the mainstream media has played the game right along with you: He said Mexicans were rapists!! He called all immigrants animals!! He's mocked a journalist's disability!! He colluded with Russia!! He's a racist!! He's a rapist!! He said Nazis were fine people!! Blah blah blah blah. Don't you lot ever hear yourselves? Two and half fcuking years!

    +1 absolutely this. Every tongue slip a 74 year old man makes is put right through the 'ultra pedantic' filter and jacked up to be hateful.


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    #4107
    Eric Cartman
    Registered Users Posts: 26,280 ✭✭✭✭Eric Cartman


    hetuzozaho wrote: »
    I think some of the posters in this thread are based in US.

    I don't see masturbation mentioned in their central tenets:



    Their march looks of good quality anyway :)https://proudofyourstore.com

    with the exception of the western chauvinism thing (not sure what they mean there) it all looks very solid and agreeable.


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    #4108
    hetuzozaho
    Registered Users Posts: 2,840 ✭✭✭hetuzozaho


    Ironicname wrote: »
    Yeah the no **** rule was mentioned by founder Gavin McInnes but is not actually a requirement.

    And the founder is no longer a member?

    He sounds like a bit of a wally.


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    #4109
    20Cent
    Registered Users Posts: 8,939 ✭✭✭20Cent


    Eric Cartman wrote: »
    +1 absolutely this. Every tongue slip a 74 year old man makes is put right through the 'ultra pedantic' filter and jacked up to be hateful.

    My favourite ones are when he says something mad. His supporters come out with convoluted explanations of what he really meant just in time for him to double down on the mad comment. Extra points when trump supporters spend 24 hours advocating for whatever dumb thing trump said and then he says the exact opposite the next day. Must be exhausting.


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    #4110
    20Cent
    Registered Users Posts: 8,939 ✭✭✭20Cent


    hetuzozaho wrote: »
    And the founder is no longer a member?

    He sounds like a bit of a wally.

    He quit in disgust at the violence he spawned.
    He also wanted to ****.


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    #4111
    Ironicname
    Registered Users Posts: 1,177 ✭✭✭Ironicname


    hetuzozaho wrote: »
    And the founder is no longer a member?

    He explains it here

    https://youtu.be/DGrPjx2V_TA

    Western chauvinism is being extremely proud and patriotic about western values.


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