Antifa [Mod Warning on post #1 - updated 08/08/19]

hetuzozaho

Eric Cartman wrote: »

with the exception of the western chauvinism thing (not sure what they mean there) it all looks very solid and agreeable.

You could show your support with a hoodie

hetuzozaho

Ironicname wrote: »

He explains it here

https://youtu.be/DGrPjx2V_TA

Cheers although I had to stop watching.

"Although, the media will likely say.." - Mr Media.

hetuzozaho

20Cent wrote: »

He quit in disgust at the violence he spawned.

Any good links to Proud Boys acts of violence?

MadYaker

notobtuse wrote: »

From what I've read so far it seems then you aren't paying attention. We don't support the Proud Boys, we support their right to protest PEACEFULLY. We also support Antifa's right to protest PEACEFULLY. That doesn't mean we support Antifa. But Antifa protests with VIOLENCE with a goal of shutting down free speech and speech they don't agree with, and that is what should not be tolerated.

Here is the reasoning why people support the Proud Boys right to protest: The Supreme Court has made it clear that the First Amendment protects even very offensive racist, sexist and homophobic speech. Supreme Court has said speech what is not protected by the First Amendment includes incitement of illegal activity, obscenity, child pornography and defamatory speech. Also, there is no right to engage in speech that causes others to reasonably fear for their safety; “true threats” are not protected by the First Amendment. We don’t need the First Amendment to protect the speech the majority of us like. Society would allow that to occur anyway. The First Amendment is needed for speech that the majority detests and wants to eliminate.

Funny how ya'll only key on the Proud Boys. Antifa have also violently targeted conservative speaker's right to speak on campuses. And they have been successful as colleges have cancelled conservative speakers out of fear of violence by Antifa. That should scare the hell out of everyone who believes in free speech.

I think you’re taking all this a bit too seriously. From all the videos I’ve seen they like a bunch of disorganized idiots. You got any links to colleges cancelling conservative speakers and citing antifa as the specific reason?

Ironicname

20Cent wrote: »

He quit in disgust at the violence he spawned.

I see you insist on spouting lies. At least you're consistent.

p1akuw47h5r3it

MadYaker wrote: »

I think you’re taking all this a bit too seriously. From all the videos I’ve seen they like a bunch of disorganized idiots. You got any links to colleges cancelling conservative speakers and citing antifa as the specific reason?

Read up on the Berkeley protests:

On February 1, Milo Yiannopoulos was scheduled to make a speech at the University of California, Berkeley at 8:00 pm. Prior, more than 100 UC Berkeley faculty signed a petition urging the university to cancel the event.[8]

Over 1,500 people gathered on the steps of Sproul Hall to protest the event. The protest had been a non-violent, student gathering until a group of 150 black bloc protesters slowly entered the crowd and interrupted the protest.[9][8] The interrupting protesters, which included Antifa activists and some who identified themselves as members of the left-wing group By Any Means Necessary,[10][11] set fires, damaged property, threw fireworks, attacked members of the crowd, and threw rocks at the police.[8] Within twenty minutes of the start of the violence, the Yiannopoulos event was officially canceled by the university police department due to security concerns, and protesters were ordered to disperse.[9][12]

The protests continued for several hours afterwards, with some protesters moving into downtown Berkeley to break windows at several banks, a Starbucks, a Target, a Sprint store, and a T-Mobile store.[13][11] Among those assaulted were a Syrian Muslim, who was pepper sprayed and hit with a rod by a protester who said "You look like a Nazi",[14] and Kiara Robles, who was pepper sprayed while being interviewed by a TV reporter.[15] One person was arrested for failure to disperse, and there was an estimated $100,000 in damage.[16]

Yet the likes of Brian and 20cent are more than happy to support such a group, and will engage in all kinds of mental gymnastics to fob of antifa's violent tendencies.

MadYaker

Eric Cartman wrote: »

+1 absolutely this. Every tongue slip a 74 year old man makes is put right through the 'ultra pedantic' filter and jacked up to be hateful.

Ah come on now. From day one Trump has lied to the media and the American public on a daily basis. Then when the media called him out on it (which is their job by the way) he threw the toys out of the pram and started calling them fake news (and worse) he’s too much of a pussy to even stand up in front of them and take questions anymore. When was his last real press conference?

It’s clear that some media outlets are pro conservative and others are pro dem but the tirade of abuse leveled at journalists by trump is unprecedented by a US president. He labeled them the enemy of people for god sake. He even had a pot shot at Fox News on numerous occasions, most recently because they reported polls that he didn’t like.

How would expect the press to respond to his constant lies?

Overheal

DanDan6592 wrote: »

Read up on the Berkeley protests:



Yet the likes of Brian and 20cent are more than happy to support such a group, and will engage in all kinds of mental gymnastics to fob of antifa's violent tendencies.

So that sounds like a specific group, ‘By Any Means Necessary,’ not the anti fascist ideology as a whole, which isn’t embodied by some single organization (and no these aren’t cells)

p1akuw47h5r3it

Overheal wrote: »

So that sounds like a specific group, ‘By Any Means Necessary,’ not the anti fascist ideology as a whole, which isn’t embodied by some single organization (and no these aren’t cells)

It says antifa and some who identified as that other group. Nice selective reading though.

Overheal

Eric Cartman wrote: »

+1 absolutely this. Every tongue slip a 74 year old man makes is put right through the 'ultra pedantic' filter and jacked up to be hateful.

That’s politics baby. Omar said “it’s all about the Benjamins” and then Pro-Israel/Israel trolls and news blogs got the pitchforks out and made it out to be more than just a dig at Republicans being bought and paid for, and literally (I quote) made it out to be more pedantic and sinister: “ AIPAC buying Congress, hook-nosed Jews, that kind of thing.” Literally just extrapolating their own antisemitism out of thin air. That was Michigan Jewish Action Council spinning up the outrage machine, there are other examples sure.

It is common for the POTUS to be intensely scrutinized: some of it is rational, like wondering what a president means by “fundamentally transforming” or “great again” other times it’s absolutely ridiculous, like freaking out over a tan suit, or a tasteless cinquo de mayo photo. Doesn’t mean most individuals freak out over each and every one of those things.

Overheal

DanDan6592 wrote: »

It says antifa and some who identified as that other group. Nice selective reading though.

But Antifa isn’t a group, that’s an important point. There’s nothing to selectively read there: “Antifa” is not an organization. “By Any Means Necessary” would however be classed an organization.

p1akuw47h5r3it

Overheal wrote: »

But Antifa isn’t a group, that’s an important point. There’s nothing to selectively read there: “Antifa” is not an organization. “By Any Means Necessary” would however be classed an organization.

Did you read what I was responding too?

Eric Cartman

hetuzozaho wrote: »

You could show your support with a hoodie

If I was American that would be pretty cool, but like those nonces here that wear US college hoodies, as an Irish man in Ireland id look like a complete tosser.

Overheal

Eric Cartman wrote: »

If I was American that would be pretty cool, but like those nonces here that wear US college hoodies, as an Irish man in Ireland id look like a complete tosser.

https://www.npr.org/sections/parallels/2017/02/06/513240634/america-first-from-charles-lindbergh-to-president-trump

You’d want to think twice before wearing it tbh.

Outlaw Pete

20Cent wrote: »

He quit in disgust at the violence he spawned.
He also wanted to ****.

Lie.

“I do all this reluctantly.....but rumours and lies and terrible journalism has made its way to the court system

"I’m told by my legal team and law enforcement that this gesture could help alleviate their sentencing"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DGrPjx2V_TA

Overheal

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

Lie.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=

The two aren’t mutually exclusive.

Ironicname

Overheal wrote: »

The two aren’t mutually exclusive.

One is made up and the others are actual reasons.

Brian?

DanDan6592 wrote: »

Read up on the Berkeley protests:



Yet the likes of Brian and 20cent are more than happy to support such a group, and will engage in all kinds of mental gymnastics to fob of antifa's violent tendencies.

I never said I support Antifa.

I am sympathetic to their stated aim of opposing fascism and believe the Antifa hyperbole is silly.

That may be the 50th time I’ve said that.

20Cent

DanDan6592 wrote: »

Read up on the Berkeley protests:



Yet the likes of Brian and 20cent are more than happy to support such a group, and will engage in all kinds of mental gymnastics to fob of antifa's violent tendencies.

What's the source of the article?
There's a video of Milo serenading a load of fascist doing Nazi salutes earlier in this thread. Look up the video of him bullying a trans student as well horrible fool. Has disappeared since being deplatformed.

notobtuse

Brian? wrote: »

I never said I support Antifa.

I am sympathetic to their stated aim of opposing fascism and believe the Antifa hyperbole is silly.

That may be the 50th time I’ve said that.

Until Antifa commits to protesting peacefully and without violence your support of their stated aim is hypocritical as their goals are to shut down thought they don’t agree with by any means necessary… including initiating violence resulting injury and destruction of personal property.

Ironicname

20Cent wrote: »

Has disappeared since being deplatformed.

Imagine! Hasn't been visible since he was not allowed be visible...

Overheal

Ironicname wrote: »

Imagine! Hasn't been visible since he was not allowed be visible...

He’s allowed to be visible. None of his statutory rights have been violated.

Brian?

notobtuse wrote: »

Until Antifa commits to protesting peacefully and without violence your support of their stated aim is hypocritical as their goals are to shut down thought they don’t agree with by any means necessary… including initiating violence resulting injury and destruction of personal property.

Cool.

Outlaw Pete

Overheal wrote: »

The two aren’t mutually exclusive.

What are you on about?

Show me evidence that McInnes quit because he was disgusted at the Proud Boys apparently being "violent".

It's bullshit.

Ironicname

Overheal wrote: »

He’s allowed to be visible. None of his statutory rights have been violated.

I never said they were. Alright, he isn't as visible since the ability to promote his work on the major platforms has been taken away from him.

I thought it was pretty clear what I meant. My apologies if you couldn't figure it out.

Overheal

Ironicname wrote: »

I never said they were. Alright, he isn't as visible since the ability to promote his work on the major platforms has been taken away from him.

I thought it was pretty clear what I meant. My apologies if you couldn't figure it out.

It wasn’t clear: you plainly stated he wasn’t allowed to be visible. That is untrue.

Overheal

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

What are you on about?

Show me evidence that McInnes quit because he was disgusted at the Proud Boys apparently being "violent".

It's bullshit.

That’s not my claim. I’ve only pointed out that the two claims are not mutually exclusive from one another; that’s not evidentiary that’s just logic.

Outlaw Pete

Overheal wrote: »

That’s not my claim. I’ve only pointed out that the two claims are not mutually exclusive from one another; that’s not evidentiary that’s just logic.

Who said they were?

I merely point out that one of the was a lie. Which it is.

Ironicname

Overheal wrote: »

It wasn’t clear: you plainly stated he wasn’t allowed to be visible. That is untrue.

I have already apologised that you were unable to understand and have reframed it so you can't (purposely) misrepresent my intention.

I will spell it out clearer for you now.

It is hardly surprising that Milo has "disappeared" since he was deplatformed from all the major outlets that he used to appear on.

Of course he is still able to appear on other platforms but the fact that they aren't well known or viewed is the reason that he "seems to have disappeared".

notobtuse

Brian? wrote: »

Cool.

Cool that they believe physically attacking others who are peacefully protesting with fists and weapons, breaking windows at business establishments, and setting fire to cars is merely engaging in "self-defense?" That they are unapologetic about the belief that fighting perceived fascism requires a physical and violent militancy?