Antifa [Mod Warning on post #1 - updated 08/08/19]

20Cent

DanDan6592 wrote: »

Because it's so patently ridiculous.



Right so they do have a political aim. Wasn't hard was it. In fact it's even in the name: Anti-fascist.

It just so happens that there definition of fascism is outrageously broad, and they use violence and intimidation to fight what they see as fascism.

The violence is very little and mostly self defense.

The "they attack anyone who thinks differently" argument is shown not to be true as they only show up at events where there is a fascist element.

Blueshoe

20Cent wrote: »

It's true though. They are normalising such belief systems.
Some people are genetically better than others, race realism I believe they call it.
People like Stephan Molyneux go on about it.

No intention of going to Portland "for a look".

That's racism. One race better than the other

I'm talking about ethology. The study of animal behaviour. Hierarchicalism is present throughout the animal kingdom. Humans are no different.

Race means nothing. It's just skin colour depending on what part of the planet your ancestors were born.

Black alphas, white betas
White alphas , black betas

Education and wealth make a difference but some people are born to lead others born to follow. People tend to surround themselves with others who are similar.
Again not race but traits.

And no I don't consider myself an alpha.

Brian?

Blueshoe wrote: »

That's racism. One race better than the other

I'm talking about ethology. The study of animal behaviour. Hierarchicalism is present throughout the animal kingdom. Humans are no different.

Hierarchy is present yes. Everything I’ve read about this alpha/beta male nonsense is complete clap trap though.

You may have a different take on it though. Define the characteristics of an alpha/beta.

Race means nothing. It's just skin colour depending on what part of the planet your ancestors were born.

Black alphas, white betas
White alphas , black betas

Education and wealth make a difference but some people are born to lead others born to follow. People tend to surround themselves with others who are similar.
Again not race but traits.

And no I don't consider myself an alpha.

I’m glad to hear race means nothing. But I seriously question the idea that some people are born to lead. I had to work bloody hard at it.

Brian?

Blueshoe wrote: »

Another word for them would be bullied. Hunt in packs. No good on their own. Cowards


They probably feel they are doing the right thing but it also fills a hole in their lives.

I like this one because it shows what happens to a bully. Notice how they don't fight back

https://youtu.be/Qa2mCQoco8M

Cowards who are a terrorist menace. The disenfranchised who also happen to be spoiled little rich kids.

You don’t see any contradictions here?

Brian?

DanDan6592 wrote: »

Because it's so patently ridiculous.



Right so they do have a political aim. Wasn't hard was it. In fact it's even in the name: Anti-fascist.

It just so happens that there definition of fascism is outrageously broad, and they use violence and intimidation to fight what they see as fascism.

Is anti fascism a political aim? I wouldn’t class it as one.

Outlaw Pete

Brian? wrote: »

Is anti fascism a political aim? I wouldn’t class it as one.

They express political opinions all the time.

They are extreme leftists.

They act in an authoritarian manner and use violence to silence those they do not want to have a voice.

They are fascists.

ohnonotgmail

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

They express political opinions all the time.

The are extreme leftists.

They act in an authoritarian manner and use violence to silence those they do not want to have a voice.

They are fascists.

Rubbish. you dont have to be extreme left to be anti-fascist. In fact i would have thought that was the default position for anybody who wasn't a ****.

SexBobomb

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

Rubbish. you dont have to be extreme left to be anti-fascist.

That's obvious and true, nobody here is pro-fascist but I believe this poster is saying that antifa are extreme left.

Blueshoe

Brian? wrote: »

Hierarchy is present yes. Everything I’ve read about this alpha/beta male nonsense is complete clap trap though.

You may have a different take on it though. Define the characteristics of an alpha/beta.



I’m glad to hear race means nothing. But I seriously question the idea that some people are born to lead. I had to work bloody hard at it.

We can agree to disagree

ohnonotgmail

SexBobomb wrote: »

That's obvious and true, nobody here is pro-fascist but I believe this poster is saying that antifa are extreme left.

and they are saying that based on no information. they assume it to be true because otherwise the cognitive dissonance would make their brain explode.

Outlaw Pete

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

and they are saying that based on no information. they assume it to be true because otherwise the cognitive dissonance would make their brain explode.

Based on no information??

This thread is full of examples of Antifa showing that they are extremists.

They were masks and then destroy property and become violent just because they don't like that someone is saying something they don't agree with.

If that's not extreme then I don't know what fcuking is. Take the blinders off.

Some examples here:

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

They vandalise buildings and property, they attack conservative reporters when non-far-right high profile conservatives are set to speak, smashing windows and audio equipment in an attempt to get them called off, they split people's heads open with bats and bike locks, they violently beat journalists that write negatively about them and most recently arm themselves with rifles and attempt to firebomb Immigration enforcement centres.

ohnonotgmail

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

Based on no information??

This thread is full of examples of Antifa showing that they are extremists.

They were masks and then destroy property and become violent just because they don't like that someone is saying something they don't agree with.

If that's not extreme then I don't know what fcuking is. Take the blinders off.

Some examples here:

you said extreme leftists. why do you have to be a leftist to oppose fascism?

SexBobomb

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

you said extreme leftists. why do you have to be a leftist to oppose fascism?

Personally I don't believe they are actually opposing fascism

20Cent

SexBobomb wrote: »

Personally I don't believe they are actually opposing fascism

What do you think they are doing then?

They turn up to counter fascist events (maybe you disagree if they are fascist or not) but they don't organise their own events to influence policy or recruit etc.

batgoat

Blueshoe wrote: »

Even the weakest , beta group of people can be strong if the numbers are great enough.

Not sure how their resolve would hold out though if faced down by an group of alphas.

Flee like rats back into the sewers as we have seen over and over again.

Dear lord, are you pushing that alpha beta ****e as well? You do realise it's pure nonsense right? Got highly popularised by pick up artists but realistically doesn't hold much basis outside of canines and primates. (And not in the way you suppose)

Ironicname

20Cent wrote:

What do you think they are doing then?

Violently opposing people who they disagree with.

Nothing at all to do with fascism.

Is Sargon of Akkad fascist? Is Milo fascist? Is Jordan Peterson fascist?

Blueshoe

20Cent wrote: »

What do you think they are doing then?

They turn up to counter fascist events (maybe you disagree if they are fascist or not) but they don't organise their own events to influence policy or recruit etc.

400 euro will get you return flights to Portland. Have fun

Outlaw Pete

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

you said extreme leftists. why do you have to be a leftist to oppose fascism?

Strawman. I never said they had to be leftists. I merely said they were leftists.

Antifa are not anti-fascists. That's just a smoke screen. They are anti-conservatives / anti-republicans / anti-nationalists.

Basically anti-everything they are not and regularly use violence to attack people they identify as being any one of the above.

To say that Antifa are not a political movement is absurd. To say they are not leftists is absurd. They may not overtly say it, but why would they, when they know that as long as they pretend to be against "fascism" the MSM has their back.

Truth is that they are just far left wing scum and the vast majority of them identify as socialists. Or when feeling particularly honest, as communists.

Like this prominent Washington DC member of Antifa (Joseph Alcoff):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1OPtBlYwJxA

This fascist left wing scumbag was one of a group of Antifa members who attacked some marines who were minding their own business and will hopefully do time for it.

https://www.phillymag.com/news/2019/01/29/joseph-alcoff-antifa-marines-philadelphia/

ohnonotgmail

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

Strawman. I never said they had to be leftists. I merely said they were leftists.

Antifa are not anti-fascists. That's just a smoke screen.

They are anti-conservatives / anti-republicans / anti-nationalists. Basically anti-everything they are not and regularly use violence to attack people they identify as being any one of the above.

To say that Antifa are not a political movement is absurd. To say they are not leftists is absurd. They may not overtly say it, but why would they, when they know that as long as they pretend to be against "fascism" the MSM has their back.

Truth is that they are just far left wing scum and the vast majority of them identify as socialists. Or when feeling particularly honest, as communists.

Like this prominent Washington DC member of Antifa (Joseph Alcoff):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1OPtBlYwJxA

This fascist left wing scumbag was one of a group of Antifa members who attacked some marines who were minding their own business and will hopefully do time for it.

https://www.phillymag.com/news/2019/01/29/joseph-alcoff-antifa-marines-philadelphia/

what, all of them? how have you ascertained that?

marieholmfan

SexBobomb wrote: »

Yeah I agree, like calling conservatives fascists and racists. And vice versa.

Shapiro certainly isn't a conservative. He cannot truly be a conservative because he is not a Catholic.

20Cent

Ironicname wrote: »

Violently opposing people who they disagree with.

Nothing at all to do with fascism.

Is Sargon of Akkad fascist? Is Milo fascist? Is Jordan Peterson fascist?

Not everyine who protests the alt right is antifa.
Milo definitely is dunno about the other two.

SexBobomb

marieholmfan wrote: »

Shapiro certainly isn't a conservative. He cannot truly be a conservative because he is not a Catholic.

Can you elaborate ?

marieholmfan

20Cent wrote: »

Not everyine who protests the alt right is antifa.
Milo definitely is dunno about the other two.

Milo Yiannopoulos doesn't have any beliefs; he has attached himself to this 'movement' because he can get paid for it.

Ironicname

20Cent wrote:

Not everyine who protests the alt right is antifa. Milo definitely is dunno about the other two.

Milo, the flamboyant homosexual who is married to a black man is a fascist and should be violently protested?

ohnonotgmail

marieholmfan wrote: »

Milo Yiannopoulos doesn't have any beliefs; he has attached himself to this 'movement' because he can get paid for it.

is that meant to excuse him in some way?

20Cent

Ironicname wrote: »

Milo, the flamboyant homosexual who is married to a black man is a fascist and should be violently protested?

Yeah.
Worked as well I hear, he's a few million in debt now and is reduced to making appearances to a handful of people at "straight pride".

marieholmfan

SexBobomb wrote: »

Can you elaborate ?

Of course.


To be a conservative is to be rooted in soil, ethnos and culture and above all to be at peace with that culture. European culture is Christian Catholic culture 'I found my Church upon a Rock and the powers of hell shall not prevail upon it'.


Of course Ben Shapiro can become truly conservative but to do so he must accept Christ's resurrection, Christ's procession and the communion of saints.

marieholmfan

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

is that meant to excuse him in some way?

Well which do you regard as worse?

ohnonotgmail

marieholmfan wrote: »

Well which do you regard as worse?

they are both abhorrent.

Blueshoe

20Cent wrote: »

Yeah.
Worked as well I hear, he's a few million in debt now and is reduced to making appearances to a handful of people at "straight pride".

It's some of his companies that are in debt but not his personal fortune. Which stands at 4 million dollars. He makes 40,000 per month from appearance fees.


You made it up. I looked it up