Antifa [Mod Warning on post #1 - updated 08/08/19]

ohnonotgmail

Blueshoe wrote: »

Yet you keep replying.
At least we have cleared it up

Yours faithfully,

Suzy Dent

well we certainly cleared up that you dont know the answer to the question i asked.

Tokyo

Mod: For the sake of my sanity, can we please end the childish bickering and get back to the topic at hand?

marieholmfan

mike_ie wrote: »

Mod: For the sake of my sanity, can we please end the childish bickering and get back to the topic at hand?

Could somebody clarify the topic?
Of course it isn't this bizarre sniping but ...

Now that it's been proved that Andy Ngo is a lying grifter trying to swindle rubes perhaps the whole exchange should be closed.

Outlaw Pete

It hasn't even been proved that the people he was intended to start a fight much less that Andy knew about it and failed to stop report it (which I believe is the suggestion).

If it can be considered a form of legitimate protest for Antifa to go to where conservatives and other rival groups are located, then why is not considered a legitimate form of protest for these groups to go where Antifa are located to protest them?

Yes they spoke about how there was going to be a fight but we are talking about Antifa scum they start fights all the time, so it makes sense that they would prepare for conflict.

Strange how all you Antifa supporters take issue with PP gearing up to defend themselves and think the mere fact that Andy was just there makes him a liar......... but yet actual footage of Antifa violently attacking him, to the degree he was covered in blood and needed to be hospitalised, doesn't draw any scorn at all.

Get violently attacked = Andy deserved it.
Witness preparation for a fight = Andy is scum.

Come on now.

James Brown

The whole agenda is Alt-right apologists trying on the aul' 'left aren't as ethical as they claim, sure some of them are as bad as us!'.

We've ****e bags pushing a ****ebag agenda versus anti-****ebags, some of whom engage in ****ebaggery.

Ironicname

Matt Barrett wrote:

The whole agenda is Alt-right apologists trying on the aul' 'left aren't as ethical as they claim, sure some of them are as bad as us!'.

Matt Barrett wrote:

We've ****e bags pushing a ****ebag agenda versus anti-****ebags, some of whom engage in ****ebaggery.

Jesus. Talk about missing the whole point of the thread.

James Brown

Ironicname wrote: »

Jesus. Talk about missing the whole point of the thread.

I was describing the thread, the OP and people calling 'scum'.
You being Ironic?

Outlaw Pete

Matt Barrett wrote: »

I was describing the thread, the OP and people calling 'scum'.

Antifa are scum and again, it doesn't matter what people say their agenda is, it matters what their actions are.

The agenda of the RIRA is just to unite Ireland, but that doesn't mean they can't be called scum in response to what they do.


Anyway, here's a member of Antifa (Jessie Sponberg) debating a member/founder of Patriot Prayer (Joey Gibson) about the violent attack on Andy Ngo:

James Brown

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

Antifa are scum and again, it doesn't matter what people say their agenda is, it matters what their actions are.

The agenda of the RIRA is just to unite Ireland, but that doesn't mean they can't be called scum in response to what they do.


Anyway, here's a member of Antifa (Jessie Sponberg) debating a member/founder of Patriot Prayer (Joey Gibson) about the violent attack on Andy Ngo:
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'Patriots Prayer' are a mouthpiece for the ALT-Right. I will not be watching it. What either of them say carries no weight with me.

20Cent

Today is the 80th anniversary of the largest antifa action ever. Britain and France declared war on nazi Germany. Will have a can to celebrate later.

James Brown

20Cent wrote: »

Today is the 80th anniversary of the largest antifa action ever. Britain and France declared war on nazi Germany. Will have a can to celebrate later.

'I didn't support Hitler, but I supported his right to free speech'.

20Cent

Matt Barrett wrote: »

'I didn't support Hitler, but I supported his right to free speech'.

"I would die to give someone the right to setup a fascist government and have a holocaust".

Ironicname

Matt Barrett wrote:

'I didn't support Hitler, but I supported his right to free speech'.

20Cent wrote:

"I would die to give someone the right to setup a fascist government and have a holocaust".

"If I don't like someones opinion, I think it's acceptable that like minded groups use violence and intimidation until that opinion is not aired in public"

20Cent

Ironicname wrote: »

"If I don't like someones opinion, I think it's acceptable that like minded groups use violence and intimidation until that opinion is not aired in public"

Definitely in the case of fascism and racism.

Ironicname

20Cent wrote:

Definitely in the case of fascism and racism.

So you want to intimidate and use violence against anyone who airs a racist opinion?

That's gonna end well

James Brown

Ironicname wrote: »

"If I don't like someones opinion, I think it's acceptable that like minded groups use violence and intimidation until that opinion is not aired in public"

How does that factor into supporting hate groups whose goal is inequality and well, hate?

The more these Trump/Alt-Right people get their way the less free speech the people will have. Now that's ironic.

Ironicname

Matt Barrett wrote:

How does that factor into supporting hate groups whose goal is inequality and well, hate?

Name one group I support that has that goal. And please show me a clear example of when they demonstrated that aim.

Ironicname

Matt Barrett wrote:

The more these Trump/Alt-Right people get their way the less free speech the people will have. Now that's ironic.

"We better shut down these guys free speech so we can have the right kind of free speech"

That's ironic... Well not really. Moronic.

20Cent

Ironicname wrote: »

So you want to intimidate and use violence against anyone who airs a racist opinion?

That's gonna end well

MAGA

Make racists Afraid aGAin

Ironicname

20Cent wrote:

Make racists Afraid aGAin

That's probably one of the more stupid posts I've seen on boards.

Outlaw Pete

20Cent wrote: »

Today is the 80th anniversary of the largest antifa action ever. Britain and France declared war on nazi Germany. Will have a can to celebrate later.

Yes, will have a pint myself later. God bless the Conservative Party of the time.

Chamberlain did his best of course but it was ultimately Churchill who was responsible for defeating the Nazis.

Some great Churchill quotes:

"The inherent vice of capitalism is the unequal sharing of blessings. The inherent virtue of Socialism is the equal sharing of miseries."

"Socialism is the philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy."

Fascists and socialists must be defeated at all costs. They are a scourge on society.

20Cent

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

Yes, will have a pint myself later. God bless the Conservative Party of the time.

Chamberlain did his best of course but it was ultimately Churchill who was responsible for defeating the Nazis.

Some great Churchill quotes:


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Fascists and socialists must be defeated at all costs.

Don't care if they are left or right wing so long as they are antifascim

notobtuse

I see The Squad member, congresswoman AOC, has recommended on Twitter that people support counter-protesters, including Antifa, who were present at a Boston straight-pride parade. She encouraged people to donate to a “Bail Fund for activists who put themselves on the line…” that resulted in 36 arrests and 4 injured police officers.

From the Boston Herald…

Chants of hatred and disgust were tossed across police barricades between protesters and supporters of the Straight Pride Parade on Saturday which ended in 36 arrests and 4 injured officers, according to Boston police.

Tensions flared in the crowd of about 200 people which was composed mostly of counterprotesters and peppered with far left groups like Antifa. The controversial parade garnered national attention since its inception in June.

“We’re covered in black so when we attack these guys we can’t be prosecuted,” said Jon Crowley, an Antifa member who told the Herald that he felt violence was the only way to deal with the people marching in the parade, which went from Copley Square to City Hall Plaza. “They are fascists, 100%. How else are you going to get them to shut up?”

Well, that sums up Antifa in a nutshell.

The police were only doing their their jobs and trying to keep the groups apart so no one would get hurt. They didn’t deserve to be attacked by the left wing. And not surprising that AOC is siding with Antifa over the police.

Ironicname

20Cent wrote:

Don't care if they are left or right wing so long as they are antifascim

Any particular brand of fascism? Cos it seems to be a very loose term.

Would you like to narrow the definition for me please?

20Cent

notobtuse wrote: »

I see The Squad member, congresswoman AOC, has recommended on Twitter that people support counter-protesters, including Antifa, who were present at a Boston straight-pride parade. She encouraged people to donate to a “Bail Fund for activists who put themselves on the line…” that resulted in 36 arrests and 4 injured police officers.

From the Boston Herald…



Well, that sums up Antifa in a nutshell.

The police were only doing their their jobs and trying to keep the groups apart so no one would get hurt. They didn’t deserve to be attacked by the left wing. And not surprising that AOC is siding with Antifa over the police.

Did they attack to police or did the police attack them?

James Brown

Ironicname wrote: »

Name one group I support that has that goal. And please show me a clear example of when they demonstrated that aim.

I've no idea who you support. We're talking about Antifa and the other end the Alt-Right. So any group under that umbrella, take your pick.

Ironicname wrote: »

"We better shut down these guys free speech so we can have the right kind of free speech"

That's ironic... Well not really. Moronic.

If you believe Patriots prayer, Trump, Proud Boys etc. are more about free speech than oppression for their own gain you're very naive.

James Brown

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

Yes, will have a pint myself later. God bless the Conservative Party of the time.

Chamberlain did his best of course but it was ultimately Churchill who was responsible for defeating the Nazis.

Some great Churchill quotes:





Fascists and socialists must be defeated at all costs. They are a scourge on society.

Socialism is great. It's how societies function. Health care, welfare etc. Brilliant way to operate. You must be thinking of the Americanised bogey man of 'socialism'.

Churchill the racist?

In 1937, he told the Palestine Royal Commission: "I do not admit for instance, that a great wrong has been done to the Red Indians of America or the black people of Australia. I do not admit that a wrong has been done to these people by the fact that a stronger race, a higher-grade race, a more worldly wise race to put it that way, has come in and taken their place."

"Churchill has been criticised for advocating the use of chemical weapons - primarily against Kurds and Afghans.

"I cannot understand this squeamishness about the use of gas," he wrote in a memo during his role as minister for war and air in 1919.

"I am strongly in favour of using poisoned gas against uncivilised tribes," he continued.

A 1937 unpublished article - supposedly by Churchill - entitled "How the Jews Can Combat Persecution" was discovered in 2007. "It may be that, unwittingly, they are inviting persecution - that they have been partly responsible for the antagonism from which they suffer,"

Ironicname

Matt Barrett wrote:

If you believe Patriots prayer, Trump, Proud Boys etc. are more about free speech than oppression for their own gain you're very naive.

If you believe antifa are anti-fascist in anything but name, you aren't naive, you're delusional or idiotic.

James Brown

Ironicname wrote: »

If you believe antifa are anti-fascist in anything but name, you aren't naive, you're delusional or idiotic.

Ah, fair enough so, you must be right, having a come back and all

Danzy

The war started by the radical left and right joining up together to invade Poland.

Until they fell out with each other.

A falling out that continues to this day.