Antifa [Mod Warning on post #1 - updated 08/08/19]

Sweetemotion

Next march in Portland announced.

Ironicname

Brian? wrote:

Same question to notobtuse. Who were these fine people, specifically?

notobtuse wrote:

Here are some fine people ON BOTH THE RIGHT AND LEFT… Blue Lives Matter, those only there protesting the removal of monuments and memorials, the National Council of Churches, and civil rights organizations. How many times do we have to answer this? I hope this is the last time.

He asked specifically. Names, addresses, blood type.

notobtuse

Ironicname wrote: »

He asked specifically. Names, addresses, blood type.

LOL. I guess if we don't know blood types then it didn't happen, eh?

James Brown

notobtuse wrote: »

She asked her supporters to help bail out Antifa members who got arrested and in doing so did condone violence. Antifa weren't one of the fine people Trump was speaking of. It's not brain surgery.

Link to proof?
She doesn't mention antifa and even the religious extremists of the Washington times don't go that far but infer it.
Really, you know who particularly he was talking about on both sides? Give over

Outlaw Pete

Matt Barrett wrote: »

The POTUS, upon hearing of the race riot in charlottesville said that their were fine people on both sides. Be true to your narrative and accuse Trump of supporting Antifa so.

Nope, that makes zero sense, as he was as clear about what he thought of Antifa as he was about what he thought of Neo-Nazis:

"You had people, and I'm not talking about the Neo-Nazis and White Nationalists because they should be condemned totally, but you had many people in that group, other than Neo-Nazis and White Nationalists, and the press has treated them absolutely unfairly.

"Now, in the other group also you had some fine people, but you also had trouble makers - you see them come with the black outfits, and with the helmets, and baseball bats, you had a lot of bad people in that other group too".

Brian?

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

This has been answered many many times.

I suggest you go back and find those answers rather than yet again laughably suggest that everyone there that day who was against taking down that statue was a Neo-Nazi.

It has yet to be answered.

Brian?

notobtuse wrote: »

Here are some fine people ON BOTH THE RIGHT AND LEFT… Blue Lives Matter, those only there protesting the removal of monuments and memorials, the National Council of Churches, and civil rights organizations. How many times do we have to answer this? I hope this is the last time.

I’m going to make this super simple. I asked specifically of the attendees and the organisers for a good reason.

The Unite the Right march was organised by Jason Kessler and Richard Spencer. Are these fine people? They certainly are not, IMHO.

The other organisations involved were (quote from Wikipedia)

Among the far-right groups engaged in organizing the march were the Stormer Book Clubs (SBCs) of the neo-Nazi news website The Daily Stormer,[54] The Right Stuff,[55] the National Policy Institute,[56] and four groups that form the Nationalist Front:[52] the neo-Confederate League of the South and Identity Dixie,[52] the neo-Nazi groups Traditionalist Worker Party,[57][58] Vanguard America,[57] and the National Socialist Movement.[52] Other groups involved in the rally were the Ku Klux Klan (specifically the Loyal White Knights and the Confederate White Knights branches),[59][22] the Fraternal Order of Alt-Knights,[57] the American Identitarian group Identity Evropa,[60] the Southern California-based fight club Rise Above Movement,[61][62] the American Guard,[20] the Detroit Right Wings – misappropriating the name of the Detroit Red Wings NHL team, which usage was condemned by the team,[63][64] True Cascadia,[65] the Canada-based ARM (Alt-Right Montreal) and Hammer Brothers,[66] and Anti-Communist Action.[20]

Prominent far-right figures in attendance included National Policy Institute Chairman and white supremacist Richard Spencer,[67] entertainer and internet troll Baked Alaska,[67] former Libertarian Party candidate Augustus Invictus,[68] former Ku Klux Klan Imperial Wizard David Duke,[69] Identity Evropa leader Nathan Damigo,[70] Traditionalist Workers Party leader Matthew Heimbach,[67] Right Stuff founder Mike Enoch,[67] Eric Striker of The Daily Stormer,[71] League of the South founder and leader Michael Hill,[9] Red Ice host and founder Henrik Palmgren,[72] The Rebel Media commentator Faith Goldy,[73] Right Side Broadcasting Network host Nick Fuentes,[74] YouTube personality James Allsup,[74] Altright.com European editor Daniel Friberg,[75] former Business Insider CTO Pax Dickinson,[76] Right Stuff blogger Johnny Monoxide,[77] Daily Stormer writers Robert "Azzmador" Ray and Gabriel "Zeiger" Sohier-Chaput,[78] Daily Caller contributor and rally organizer Jason Kessler,[79] and Radical Agenda host Christopher Cantwell.[80][81]

Now, again. Were any of these “fine people”?

Outlaw Pete

Brian? wrote: »

It has yet to be answered.

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Outlaw Pete wrote: »

A statue was being lined up to be removed from a local park, of course there were people other than white supremacists protesting it. There were hundreds of conservative locals, civic nationalists and the alt-right.

It doesn't suit the left's agenda to admit that though.

mad muffin

Lest you have any doubts that good people were in Charlottesville to protest the removal of the Robert E Lee statue, the New York Times confirmed it in a story they published the next day, August 16.

“’Good people can go to Charlottesville,’ said Michelle Piercy, a night shift worker at a Wichita, Kansas retirement home, who drove all night with a conservative group that opposed the planned removal of a statue of the Confederate general Robert E. Lee. After listening to Mr. Trump on Tuesday, she said it was as if he had channeled her and her friends… who had no interest in standing with Nazis or white supremacists…”

notobtuse

Brian? wrote: »

I’m going to make this super simple. I asked specifically of the attendees and the organisers for a good reason.

The Unite the Right march was organised by Jason Kessler and Richard Spencer. Are these fine people? They certainly are not, IMHO.

The other organisations involved were (quote from Wikipedia)



Now, again. Were any of these “fine people”?

Already been answered in as much detail as any of us can reasonably obtain. I do know what type of silly game you’re playing but it appears to be rather disingenuous on your part. Perhaps you might want to familiarize yourself with the meaning of the word ‘some.’

Brian?

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

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That wasn’t an answer to the question I asked.

Outlaw Pete

Brian? wrote: »

That wasn’t an answer to the question I asked.

Your question made no sense as it was essentially a strawman.

You asked which of the 'organizers' were 'fine people' - but nobody said any of them were.

Brian? wrote: »

Now, again. Were any of these “fine people”?

No, which is why Trump said they should all be condemned totally and I haven't seen one person disagree with him in that regard.

James Brown

notobtuse wrote: »

She asked her supporters to help bail out Antifa members who got arrested and in doing so did condone violence. Antifa weren't one of the fine people Trump was speaking of. It's not brain surgery.

You missed this I think. No she didn't. Show your work?

notobtuse wrote: »

Here are some fine people ON BOTH THE RIGHT AND LEFT… Blue Lives Matter, those only there protesting the removal of monuments and memorials, the National Council of Churches, and civil rights organizations. How many times do we have to answer this? I hope this is the last time.

If I'm in a march that contains white supremacists, I'm leaving that march.
Trump was asked to comment on the violence. By the way when one side is racist or supporting keeping a racist statue, there isn't 'fine people' on that side.

Sweetemotion wrote: »

Next march in Portland announced.

Why Portland? They troll for reaction then act the innocent if they get it. Nasty people using faux religion and faux democracy to spread hate.

Outlaw Pete

Matt Barrett wrote: »

If I'm in a march that contains white supremacists, I'm leaving that march.

Same here, I agree with Gavin McInnes, best to not associate with such people.

However, many did and just because they did, does not mean they should be considered as Neo-Nazis themselves as a result of that.

I consider Antifa as pure scum but I don't believe that all the counter protestors were scum too just because they marched on the same side as Antifa.

James Brown

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

Same here, I agree with Gavin McInnes, best to not associate with such people.

However, many did and just because they did, does not mean they should be considered as Neo-Nazis themselves as a result of that.

I consider Antifa as pure scum but I don't believe that all the counter protestors were scum too just because they marched on the same side as Antifa.

I'd have no problem marching with anti fascists. I am anti fascist, as are you I would imagine?
If you are in a march with white supremacists you need look at yourself.

Tasfasdf

Matt Barrett wrote: »

I'd have no problem marching with anti fascists. I am anti fascist, as are you I would imagine?
If you are in a march with white supremacists you need look at yourself.

But antifa are fascists and you would happily march with them:rolleyes:

James Brown

Tasfasdf wrote: »

But antifa are fascists and you would happily march with them:rolleyes:

you're coming in late to this. We're all anti any violence. Antifa is a movement. I'd be fine being involved in a march with antifascist protesters. I didn't say I'd be fine breaking the windows of a McDonalds.
I don't buy into the Alt-Right campaign to outlaw antifacism. Making it a bad thing to be anti white supremacist, not likely.

Brian?

notobtuse wrote: »

Already been answered in as much detail as any of us can reasonably obtain. I do know what type of silly game you’re playing but it appears to be rather disingenuous on your part. Perhaps you might want to familiarize yourself with the meaning of the word ‘some.’

It was answered in no detail. Just a hand waving of “some people weren’t fascists/Nazis/racists”.

The vast majority of people at that march, were.

Brian?

notobtuse wrote: »

Already been answered in as much detail as any of us can reasonably obtain. I do know what type of silly game you’re playing but it appears to be rather disingenuous on your part. Perhaps you might want to familiarize yourself with the meaning of the word ‘some.’

So as not to appear to be playing games.

The organisers of the march were White Nationalists. Most of the participants were fascists and bigots, including some actual Nazis. Anyone who rocked up and marched in that company cannot be classified as a fine person

James Brown

Tasfasdf wrote: »

And how could you prove such a claim?

They carried swastikas and murdered a girl.



I see the Swastika lad likes to fold the flag into a tiny square. Embarrassed? He should be ashamed.
Free speech advocate with his hand down his pants keeping up the rear.

Brian?

Tasfasdf wrote: »

And how could you prove such a claim?

I already did on the last page.

Brian?

Tasfasdf wrote: »

But antifa are fascists and you would happily march with them:rolleyes:

Yep. The anti fascists are fascists, let’s just call everyone a fascist eh?

p1akuw47h5r3it

Brian? wrote: »

Yep. The anti fascists are fascists, let’s just call everyone a fascist eh?

No one is doing that. Antifa, as has been shown numerous times in this thread, engage In violence and intimidation for political reasons. Just because they call themselves anti-fascist doesn't negate the fact that they engage in fascist like behaviour. It's like a convicted murderer calling himself a law abiding citizen even though all the evidence suggests otherwise.

It's been said to you already how vurtually all other political ideologies are against fascism, from Communists to free marketeers.

Brian?

DanDan6592 wrote: »

No one is doing that. Antifa, as has been shown numerous times in this thread, engage In violence and intimidation for political reasons. Just because they call themselves anti-fascist doesn't negate the fact that they engage in fascist like behaviour. It's like a convicted murderer calling himself a law abiding citizen even though all the evidence suggests otherwise.

It's been said to you already how vurtually all other political ideologies are against fascism, from Communists to free marketeers.

Fascist like behaviour you argue, I don’t agree but it’s a point of debate. I responded to someone calling them actual fascists, which is nonsense

mad muffin

Boston police union urges Pressley to pull support for activists arrested at antifa-fueled protest

A Boston police union leader on Tuesday urged Rep. Ayanna Pressley to withdraw her support for activists arrested at an antifa-fueled counter-protest, saying her support for a bail fund serves to “encourage criminal and disruptive

In an open letter to the Massachusetts Democrat, Boston Police Patrolmen’s Association president Michael Leary said the “so-called peaceful protesters” injured four officers working security Saturday at the Straight Pride Parade, which drew more than 1,000 counter-demonstrators.


Link

Dear Representative Pressley:

I am writing on behalf of the Boston Police Patrolmen’s Association to strongly protest your decision to urge your constituents to contribute to a bail fund for protesters arrested this weekend during the Straight Pride rally in downtown Boston. The Police are assigned to work at these kind of events in order to keep the peace and control any crowds or disorder. Whether someone was there as part of the rally or as a counter protest, the Boston Police officers are there to treat all the same and to maintain order. My members have informed me that the individuals who were arrested on Saturday were not peaceful protesters but were committing crimes of assault against Boston Police Officers. In fact at least four officers were injured by actions of some of the protesters. These officers were screamed at, abused and fought by these so-called peaceful protesters. Your actions in support of these individuals serves only to encourage criminal and disruptive behaviors such as those suffered by my members this weekend. This attitude also further contributes to the growing we/they attitude against police officers in this Country. As an elected official and particularly as someone who has historically worked with the Boston Police Department and the BPPA as a member of the Boston City Council you should be working to encourage Boston city residents and visitors to respect and cooperate with Boston Police officers who are there to serve and protect. The BPPA supports the right of free speech, but free speech does not include the right to abuse and assault the men and women who are appointed to keep the peace.

I urge you to reconsider your support of the protest bail fund. Instead, I hope you will make it clear to your supporters that you don’t approve of violent behavior against public safety personnel.

Sincerely,
Michael Leary
President
Boston Police Patrolmen’s Association

Also the prosecutor tried to drop all charges but the judge was having non of it. He said there will be due process and threw their lawyer in Jail for a few hours for contempt of court.

'Stay out of Boston': Judges refuse to drop charges against protesters at Straight Pride Parade

36 people arrested, four officers injured after counter-protesters descend on event

Activists hoping to be let off with a slap on the wrist after being arrested for disrupting last weekend’s Straight Pride Parade have run into resistance from Boston judges.

Two Boston Municipal Court judges refused to throw out the charges against the 18 defendants who appeared Tuesday in court, frustrating defense attorneys and prosecutors who sought to have minor charges dismissed, as reported by local news outlets. Link

After a defense attorney for nonviolent demonstrators arrested in last weekend's alt-right "Straight Pride Parade" in Boston read the letter of the law in protest of Municipal Court Judge Richard Sinnott refusing to allow the Suffolk County District Attorney's office to drop charges, the judge threw the lawyer in jail for contempt of court, the latest in a string of incidents in the city courtroom with respect to the protests.

Attorney Susan Church, who works with the National Lawyers' Guild of Massachusetts, was released a few hours later. Link non violent protestors? Lol.


The DA really doesn’t want to prosecute violent offenders…

Suffolk DA appealing Mass. high court to overrule judge who won't drop charges in 'straight pride' arrests. Link

p1akuw47h5r3it

Brian? wrote: »

Fascist like behaviour you argue, I don’t agree but it’s a point of debate. I responded to someone calling them actual fascists, which is nonsense

OK fair enough. I'd imagine the poster meant fascist like behaviour but they can speak for themselves.

James Brown

DanDan6592 wrote: »

No one is doing that. Antifa, as has been shown numerous times in this thread, engage In violence and intimidation for political reasons. Just because they call themselves anti-fascist doesn't negate the fact that they engage in fascist like behaviour. It's like a convicted murderer calling himself a law abiding citizen even though all the evidence suggests otherwise.

It's been said to you already how vurtually all other political ideologies are against fascism, from Communists to free marketeers.

It's like 'Racist, does that word mean anything anymore?'. An attempt to whitewash white supremacy and fascism like, 'sure we all do a bit'. More propaganda.

James Brown

mad muffin wrote: »

Boston police union urges Pressley to pull support for activists arrested at antifa-fueled protest

A Boston police union leader on Tuesday urged Rep. Ayanna Pressley to withdraw her support for activists arrested at an antifa-fueled counter-protest, saying her support for a bail fund serves to “encourage criminal and disruptive

In an open letter to the Massachusetts Democrat, Boston Police Patrolmen’s Association president Michael Leary said the “so-called peaceful protesters” injured four officers working security Saturday at the Straight Pride Parade, which drew more than 1,000 counter-demonstrators.


Link



Also the prosecutor tried to drop all charges but the judge was having non of it. He said there will be due process and threw their lawyer in Jail for a few hours for contempt of court.

'Stay out of Boston': Judges refuse to drop charges against protesters at Straight Pride Parade

36 people arrested, four officers injured after counter-protesters descend on event

Activists hoping to be let off with a slap on the wrist after being arrested for disrupting last weekend’s Straight Pride Parade have run into resistance from Boston judges.

Two Boston Municipal Court judges refused to throw out the charges against the 18 defendants who appeared Tuesday in court, frustrating defense attorneys and prosecutors who sought to have minor charges dismissed, as reported by local news outlets. Link

After a defense attorney for nonviolent demonstrators arrested in last weekend's alt-right "Straight Pride Parade" in Boston read the letter of the law in protest of Municipal Court Judge Richard Sinnott refusing to allow the Suffolk County District Attorney's office to drop charges, the judge threw the lawyer in jail for contempt of court, the latest in a string of incidents in the city courtroom with respect to the protests.

Attorney Susan Church, who works with the National Lawyers' Guild of Massachusetts, was released a few hours later. Link non violent protestors? Lol.


The DA really doesn’t want to prosecute violent offenders…

Suffolk DA appealing Mass. high court to overrule judge who won't drop charges in 'straight pride' arrests. Link

The police have no business interfering. "so-called peaceful protesters" he lost any credibility just there.

James Brown

DanDan6592 wrote: »

OK fair enough. I'd imagine the poster meant fascist like behaviour but they can speak for themselves.

If you're cool with the lad beside you flying the swastika, you my friend are a fascist.

p1akuw47h5r3it

Matt Barrett wrote: »

It's like 'Racist, does that word mean anything anymore?'. An attempt to whitewash white supremacy and fascism like, 'sure we all do a bit'. More propaganda.

Noone's trying to whitewash either of those things.

Matt Barrett wrote: »

If you're cool with the lad beside you flying the swastika, you my friend are a fascist.

I think you are unaware of what me and Brian were discussing.