Antifa [Mod Warning on post #1 - updated 08/08/19]

SexBobomb

Matt Barrett wrote: »

You equate racial hatred/white supremacy with a political ideology, communism/socialism. That's pretty ignorant and telling IMO. The idea behind the soviet union was a political ideology of equality. The Nazis had a different agenda. What the USSR turned into, a dictatorship, has no baring on the ideology of Marx etc. whereas Hitler was all about the genocide. Stalin et. al. were not communists or socialists in practice. Hitler and the Nazis were what they had always planned to be. All I did was give you too much credit and assumed you'd be aware of the differences.

FYI: The U.S. Republicans and their man Trump are cosy with the current Russian dictator, the murdering Putin. How does that sit?

Ah I see, you're brand of murderous fascists are cool, the other brand are not.

I'll try and get over it :rolleyes:

Who the Republicans and their man Trump cosy up with has nothing to do with me, I'm not American, I don't vote there, thats how that sits.

James Brown

SexBobomb wrote: »

Ah I see, you're brand of murderous fascists are cool, the other brand are not.

I'll try and get over it :rolleyes:

Who the Republicans and their man Trump cosy up with has nothing to do with me, I'm not American, I don't vote there, thats how that sits.

Marx was not a murdering fascist. Hitler was.

Do or don't it's fine with me.

So you don't care about the protesters with hammer and sickles, not sure why you brought it up.

SexBobomb

Matt Barrett wrote: »

Marx was not a murdering fascist. Hitler was.

Do or don't it's fine with me.

So you don't care about the protesters with hammer and sickles, not sure why you brought it up.

The flag of the Soviet Union had the hammer and sickle too, I care about calling out the hypocrisy. Anyone who waves either of those flags is obviously a wa***r, but you guys seem to think one is fine

Brian?

SexBobomb wrote: »

Ah I see, you're brand of murderous fascists are cool, the other brand are not.

I'll try and get over it :rolleyes:

Who the Republicans and their man Trump cosy up with has nothing to do with me, I'm not American, I don't vote there, thats how that sits.

Again with the calling people fascists, who clearly aren’t.

There’s no point in engaging anyone here anymore. It’s just repeated nonsense

James Brown

SexBobomb wrote: »

The flag of the Soviet Union had the hammer and sickle too, I care about calling out the hypocrisy. Anyone who waves either of those flags is obviously a wa***r, but you guys seem to think one is fine

The swastika stands for Nazism. The hammer and sickle is more associated with communism and the U.S.S.R. and I would say both, (hammer and sickle/swastika) are carried for their ideology otherwise we'd see posters with Stalin/Hitler on them.
So yeah, I'm cool with a communist/marxist flag over a Nazi one.

It seems like I have missed nothing in the month I have been banned. Still going around in circles, still prodding each other to get a reaction. I think it's come to a stage where I think both sides should just accept that the other won't/can't agree or see it from their side.

This is an easy one to walk away from.

Best of luck.

Blueshoe

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

well at least you are not even pretending that you are not a facist.

That word means nothing

Blueshoe

Joeytheparrot wrote: »

You know though with an ageing population many of us may end up having to do that. Even you Blueshoe.

Il pay someone to wipe mine with the money I saved not paying taxes which keep a bloated, lazy public sector afloat. Don't even get me started on the amount thrown into the social welfare budget.

Outlaw Pete

Blueshoe wrote: »

That word means nothing

Literally.

James Brown

Blueshoe wrote: »

That word means nothing

No it does. It's fascist apologists tend to say that or racists who say 'racism' has lost all meaning. It's handy to censor or dismiss words when you find your team fitting the definition.

Fascism (/ˈfæʃɪzəm/) is a form of far right-wing, authoritarian ultranationalism characterized by dictatorial power, forcible suppression of opposition, and strong regimentation of society and of the economy which came to prominence in early 20th-century Europe.

Sound like the Alt-Right/Trump brigade.
Theres as much if not more Alt-Right folk complaining about, well, others complaining about inequality, like equality hurts them some how. Coincidentally these Alt-Right folk tend to be in the same piss bucket as billionaires and multinationals.

Blueshoe

Matt Barrett wrote: »

No it does. It's fascist apologists tend to say that or racists who say 'racism' has lost all meaning. It's handy to censor or dismiss words when you find your team fitting the definition.



Sound like the Alt-Right/Trump brigade.
Theres as much if not more Alt-Right folk complaining about, well, others complaining about inequality, like equality hurts them some how. Coincidentally these Alt-Right folk tend to be in the same piss bucket as billionaires and multinationals.

That's the definition of the word.

Using it at every opportunity makes it meaningless. I don't like your opinion = release the word

I have no reply to your comment = lash out the word

It means nothing

James Brown

Blueshoe wrote: »

That's the definition of the word.

Using it at every opportunity makes it meaningless. I don't like your opinion = release the word

I have no reply to your comment = lash out the word

It means nothing

You said it lost all meaning. It hasn't. You might think some are incorrectly labelled Facist. That's fair enough. There is a drive from some quarters to dismiss words like 'racist'. It works out great for racists. For example; 'Hey that guy is a racist', "yeah but that could mean anything. I like his orange face. I'll vote for him".

Blueshoe

Matt Barrett wrote: »

You said it lost all meaning. It hasn't. You might think some are incorrectly labelled Facist. That's fair enough. There is a drive from some quarters to dismiss words like 'racist'. It works out great for racists. For example; 'Hey that guy is a racist', "yeah but that could mean anything. I like his orange face. I'll vote for him".

Throwing the word out daily at anyone who disagrees with your opinion belittles the word and makes it empty. Means nothing. So when one of the creatures on here calls me one or the other it means nothing to me.
Save it for real racists and facists. We can all unite against them.

Ironicname

Blueshoe wrote:

Throwing the word out daily at anyone who disagrees with your opinion belittles the word and makes it empty. Means nothing. So when one of the creatures on here calls me one or the other it means nothing to me. Save it for real racists and facists. We can all unite against them.

Sure Sargon of Akkad was called a right wing extremist earlier. Hyperbolic bollocks. I'm a racist and a fascist because I think Proud Boys and Trump are better than Antifa.

Blueshoe

Ironicname wrote: »

Sure Sargon of Akkad was called a right wing extremist earlier. Hyperbolic bollocks. I'm a racist and a fascist because I think Proud Boys and Trump are better than Antifa.

Pay no need to the perpetually outraged.

James Brown

Blueshoe wrote: »

Throwing the word out daily at anyone who disagrees with your opinion belittles the word and makes it empty. Means nothing. So when one of the creatures on here calls me one or the other it means nothing to me.
Save it for real racists and facists. We can all unite against them.

Who is throwing it around? Who is judging when you can or cannot?
The people marching in Charlottesville certainly were IMO.

Blueshoe wrote: »

Pay no need to the perpetually outraged.

So it's your call is it? You are censoring free speech because you disagree. 'Perpetually outraged' is trying to demean opinions you don't like. No free speech unless its speech you like?

Ironicname wrote: »

Sure Sargon of Akkad was called a right wing extremist earlier. Hyperbolic bollocks. I'm a racist and a fascist because I think Proud Boys and Trump are better than Antifa.

Antifa has a violent element as does practically any large movement. That doesn't take away from the fight against the Alt-right, their deluded lackies or racists like Trump and the Proud Boys.

Blueshoe

Matt Barrett wrote: »

Who is throwing it around? Who is judging when you can or cannot?
The people marching in Charlottesville certainly were IMO.



So it's your call is it? You are censoring free speech because you disagree. 'Perpetually outraged' is trying to demean opinions you don't like. No free speech unless its speech you like?



Antifa has a violent element as does practically any large movement. That doesn't take away from the fight against the Alt-right, their deluded lackies or racists like Trump and the Proud Boys.

I can read what you have written and dismiss the whole post as rubbish. Like water off a ducks back. Your opinion is irrelevant to me. Your words are empty.

You can also do the same with mine.

Again I say ignore the perpetually outraged. Irrelevant.
It's not censorship. It's ignoring everything you say.

Ironicname

Matt Barrett wrote:

Antifa has a violent element as does practically any large movement. That doesn't take away from the fight against the Alt-right, their deluded lackies or racists like Trump and the Proud Boys.

I've seen absolutely zero proof that the proud boys are a racist group.

Brian?

Ironicname wrote: »

I've seen absolutely zero proof that the proud boys are a racist group.

There are none so blind as those who will not see.

Ironicname

Brian? wrote:

There are none so blind as those who will not see.

Ad hominems from the guy who called Sargon of Akkad an extremist.

Cheers Brian. But instead of thank whoring, how about telling me why you think the Proud Boys as a group are racist.

Brian?

Ironicname wrote: »

Ad hominems from the guy who called Sargon of Akkad an extremist.

Carl Benjamin is a right week extremist. I wrote a pretty decent defence of this position, which you never replied to. You chose to bide your time and take cheap shots instead.

Cheers Brian. But instead of thank whoring, how about telling me why you think the Proud Boys as a group are racist.

Thanks whoring?? Brilliant.

Ironicname

Brian? wrote:

Carl Benjamin is a right wing extremist because he states opinions that are extremely right wing. He’s not a facist, I never said he was.

Ironicname wrote:

Cool. So can you tell me his extremely right wing views?

If you think that is a pretty good response then I'm afraid you are wrong. I didn't bide my time or ignore it, I asked you a follow up question which wasn't answered.

Ironicname

Ironicname wrote:

Cheers Brian. But instead of thank whoring, how about telling me why you think the Proud Boys as a group are racist.

And of you could answer that while I have you, that'd be great

Tasfasdf

Brian? wrote: »

Carl Benjamin is a right week extremist. I wrote a pretty decent defence of this position, which you never replied to. You chose to bide your time and take cheap shots instead.




Thanks whoring?? Brilliant.

Carl Benjamin an extremist wow u truly you haven't a clue what your waffling on about. How can you call Carl Benjamin an extremist but be so defensive of antifa a violent group that actually actively attack and want to kill people.

Ironicname

An extremist is someone who holds "extreme" views (although that is totally subjective)

I suppose it would be ok to call anyone who believes that it is ok for people to self id when it comes to the trans issue as a Transgender extremist?

Or pro choice advocates. Are they Abortion extremists?

What is "extreme" exactly when referring to ideals or values Brian?

20Cent

Tasfasdf wrote: »

Carl Benjamin an extremist wow u truly you haven't a clue what your waffling on about. How can you call Carl Benjamin an extremist but be so defensive of antifa a violent group that actually actively attack and want to kill people.

He ran for government with UKIP a party who's own founder Nigel Farage quit because he said they had become too extremist and racist even for him. They hired tommy robinson as an advisor.



Who do antifa want to kill?

20Cent

A definition of political extremism.
Sounds like ukip and the proud boys.

Government's Counter Extremism Strategy, 2015: ' Extremism is the vocal or active opposition to our shared values. These include democracy and the rule of law, mutual respect and tolerance of other faiths and beliefs.

Brian?

Ironicname wrote: »

Brian? wrote:

Carl Benjamin is a right wing extremist because he states opinions that are extremely right wing. He’s not a facist, I never said he was.

Ironicname wrote:

Cool. So can you tell me his extremely right wing views?

If you think that is a pretty good response then I'm afraid you are wrong. I didn't bide my time or ignore it, I asked you a follow up question which wasn't answered.

Nice try. But that wasn't the response I was talking about. I put a link up to rational wiki

Brian?

Ironicname wrote: »

An extremist is someone who holds "extreme" views (although that is totally subjective)

I suppose it would be ok to call anyone who believes that it is ok for people to self id when it comes to the trans issue as a Transgender extremist?

Or pro choice advocates. Are they Abortion extremists?

What is "extreme" exactly when referring to ideals or values Brian?

Already answered. Not my fault you didn't read it.

Brian?

Ironicname wrote: »

An extremist is someone who holds "extreme" views (although that is totally subjective)

I suppose it would be ok to call anyone who believes that it is ok for people to self id when it comes to the trans issue as a Transgender extremist?

Or pro choice advocates. Are they Abortion extremists?

What is "extreme" exactly when referring to ideals or values Brian?

Again. I told you already I don't view the term extremist as a pejorative. This is going in circles. I have answered all of this at least twice. You either didn't read the responses or are ignoring them.