Antifa [Mod Warning on post #1 - updated 08/08/19]

notobtuse

Matt Barrett wrote: »

Most of us aren't in 'merica boss.

You might as well be... you spend enough time here talking about 'merica.

James Brown

notobtuse wrote: »

You might as well be... you spend enough time here talking about 'merica.

That's were all the madness seeps from
Doesn't mean I care about the Democrats.

notobtuse

Matt Barrett wrote: »

That's were all the madness seeps from
Doesn't mean I care about the Democrats.

Ah, the more you see, the less you know?

Regarding Democrats... You sure do talk like one.

James Brown

notobtuse wrote: »

Ah, the more you see, the less you know?

Regarding Democrats... You sure do talk like one.

Just letting you know your digs at democrats are strictly for your own private jollies.

notobtuse

Matt Barrett wrote: »

Just letting you know your digs at democrats are strictly for your own private jollies.

Not quite. The majority here appear to be Democrat champions. I'm just bringing in an infusion of reality.

James Brown

notobtuse wrote: »

Not quite. The majority here appear to be Democrat champions. I'm just bringing in an infusion of reality.

No you are falling back on the same old team nonsense. We've people do that here.
Here we go again, ...Just because someone is critical of the Republicans and their leader Trump, doesn't mean they support the Liberals or North Korea.
I know it's easier when they do and easier to pretend they do because then you can deflect when your team is criticised, but alas people are more complex.
Told you before the Democrats are too right wing for me.

Ulysses Gaze

Furry Nazis, Nazi Furries, Hitler as a Furry....

Outlaw Pete

rocksolidfat wrote: »

I was explicitly referring to Outlaw Pete, which I have made abundantly clear. His inability to answer how he would react if Obama called a march organised by ISIS to have 'very fine people' on both sides says all it needs to.

I already addressed this point earlier in the thread with the following comments, which is why I scrolled past you making it again:

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

If there was a protest to take down the James Connolly statue (for example) and it was heralded as a 'Unite Nationalists' march, then of course decent people would still attend.

Now, you're making a slightly different version of this point again, and are using 'Islamic Terrorists' such as ISIS along with Obama, fine, but the same principle applies. Using Islamic extremists, however, means that the point is waaaay overloaded and so I'll address the point again but this time using Black Nationalists:

If a Black Nationalist group organized a march along with Antifa regarding the proposed removal of a statue (which meant a lot to the black community) and the rally was titled the 'Unite the Left' rally and during it someone died as a result of a violent act by a protestor, then yes, absolutely I'd be okay with Obama pointing out that not everyone there was a Black Nationalist or a member of violent Antifa and that there were 'fine people' there other than Black Nationalists and members of Antifa..... as long that is, he also did what Trump did and condemned them totally..... and tbh, given that Antifa have been seen striking people in the head numerous times, it's a bloody miracle they haven't killed someone already.

Look, it's about time people just accepted that what Trump said that day was perfectly fine. He condemned those that needed to be condemned, whilst also making sure that everyone else who was in attendance (that just wanted to protest peacefully) wasn't tarred with the same brush. People such as the patriot militias, conservatives, veterans, civic nationalists, locals etc. All this refusal to accept the truth is about is just so that a certain section of people can continue to claim that Trump called Neo-Nazis fine people, despite him never having done so. It's gross dishonesty.

20Cent

It's a real thing.
The fox one calls himself Foxler.

Ulysses Gaze

20Cent wrote: »

It's a real thing.
The fox one calls himself Foxler.

I've seen it all now...

Ironicname

20Cent wrote:

It's a real thing. The fox one calls himself Foxler.

They must be stopped.

Haha ffs

rocksolidfat

randd1 wrote: »

Supercamp attention seeking gay stereotype that had loads of attention, who no longer has loads of attention, is trying to make people notice him because he misses the attention.

Essentially he's begging for people to notice him. No different to any of the attention whore wannabes that pop up on reality TV.

Since when is it a 'gay stereotype' to claim to be worried about Muslims taking away rights from gay people, while simultaneously calling for rights to be taken away from gay people?

Danzy

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

honestly you are embarrasing yourself and i am actually starting to feel sorry for you. If their allies were coming from the west they could hardly be german could they? given that germany didnt have allies in that direction. the only country that invaded poland in 1939 that had allies coming from the west was Russia. You did know that germany and russia were allies in 1929, right?

This day in 39, Russia began fulfulling its Molotov–Ribbentrop Pact secret obligations to the German Reich, so by saying that it was this day in 39, it made it very clear that it was Soviet forces entering Poland.

Their allies were coming from the West, were still on the move east in mid Sept. think it was early Oct before the German Soviet frontier agreement was publicly announced.


At least we are not saying the same ****e to each other about ANTIFA, a break we can all appreciate, our shared humanity shines through.

James Brown

Jokes are better when explained in great detail over several posts.

Danzy

Matt Barrett wrote: »

Jokes are better when explained in great detail over several posts.

They are, all the fun of the dentist drill.

Ironicname

Matt Barrett wrote:

Jokes are better when explained in great detail over several posts.

I agree. It was torture. If only the joke hadn't spectacularly been missed, thedunne wouldn't have had to keep explaining it

ohnonotgmail

Danzy wrote: »

This day in 39, Russia began fulfulling its Molotov–Ribbentrop Pact secret obligations to the German Reich, so by saying that it was this day in 39, it made it very clear that it was Soviet forces entering Poland.

Their allies were coming from the West, were still on the move east in mid Sept. think it was early Oct before the German Soviet frontier agreement was publicly announced.


At least we are not saying the same ****e to each other about ANTIFA, a break we can all appreciate, our shared humanity shines through.

well thank you for confirming that i was correct and thedunne was talking through his hoop. though perhaps you should have posted this in response to one of their posts.

rocksolidfat

Veritas Libertas wrote: »

You have proven a liar repeatedly. You are lost in your own little world where words don't mean anything. You posted an entire essay in response to my one line comment and I cannot believe how anyone can so spectacularly miss the mark of my argument in good faith. Hence why I will stop responding to you from now on.

You got called out on your nonsense and over-eagerness to play the victim card, no surprise you're running away..

This is just one example of how demented your strawmans are:

I never made this argument you demented madman. Seriously? Where do you get off putting words into people's mouths? Its not even possible to misinterpret what I said genuinely to mean that.

Then you'll need to explain what the purpose of your post was, where you responded to me pointing out that the organisers of the event were far right white supremacists and neo Nazi's by claiming: "The ACLU helped the 'unite the right' rally happen. I'm sure no-one would call them far-right or whatever."

That being the same post where you then left part of a statement from the ACLU on Charlottesville but (accidentally, I am sure) forgot the part where they explicitly stated that Charlottesville was a white supremacist rally. That's... peculiar.

I'm getting a feeling your posts are getting increasingly angrier, because you are being increasingly found out. But please, feel free to clear all of this up and explain what exactly the purpose of your initial post was, and why you have become so upset since I responded by pointing out the ACLU call it white supremacy too.

Yes if you lie about someone that is not nice. What if I called you a paeodophile would you like it? Would that touch a nerve?

Nice non-sequitor, but given that nobody called you a pedophile -or a Trump supporter- you'll need to to try harder.

If I heard someone arguing with a pedophile, dived into said pedophiles defence, and then insisted that everything being said about the pedophile by the other person was instead being said about me... well, I would have a very serious victim complex. A little like someone absolutely determined to claim that they are a victim because someone who never called them a Trump fan, somehow called them a Trump fan.

On that note, if you can keep your knickers untwisted long enough to respond, what is your opinion on Trump?



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Now perhaps Outlaw Pete can give a response directly as to why he keep insisting that this white supremacist, neo Nazi rally in Charlottesville where Donald Trump praised the "very fine people on both sides", was somehow now a white supremacist, neo Nazi rally? I would however, like to thank Veritas Libertas for bringing to our attention, that even the ACLU who defended it's right to go ahead, agree in no uncertain terms that it was a white supremacist rally.

Danzy

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

well thank you for confirming that i was correct and thedunne was talking through his hoop. though perhaps you should have posted this in response to one of their posts.

20Cent, Matt.

If ye will be driving past the Katyn Forest, can i get a lift, I'll throw in diesel money.

ohnonotgmail

Danzy wrote: »

20Cent, Matt.

If ye will be driving past the Katyn Forest, can i get a lift, I'll throw in diesel money.

it was dumb as **** the first time you mentioned it. doubling down doesnt improve it.

Danzy

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

it was dumb as **** the first time you mentioned it. doubling down doesnt improve it.

I'd prefer to go there in the back of a Soviet lorry than face explaining to you the obvious, original post.

I'm not sure how it can be made more obvious than it is.

Well move on, as in forget about it, as in go on to a new topic.

Veritas Libertas

rocksolidfat wrote: »

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Now perhaps Outlaw Pete can give a response directly as to why he keep insisting that this white supremacist, neo Nazi rally in Charlottesville where Donald Trump praised the "very fine people on both sides", was somehow now a white supremacist, neo Nazi rally? I would however, like to thank Veritas Libertas for bringing to our attention, that even the ACLU who defended it's right to go ahead, agree in no uncertain terms that it was a white supremacist rally.

TLDR; Full of crap. I'm not responding to someone that can only attack self-constructed straw-men I already told you.

Start making posts with honesty and character and i'll get back to you.

On June 13, 2017 the City approved a permit application from Mr. Kessler for a “Unite the Right” march at which he estimated four hundred people would be in attendance. The purpose of the rally was to protest the city’s decision to rename the former Lee Park and remove a statue of Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee from the park.

rocksolidfat wrote: »

Then you'll need to explain what the purpose of your post was,

How about no? After you spectacularly got me so wrong now 3 times? Without ever even asking a question...

Now you have the gall to ask me what I meant while still continuing to attack me for something that you don't even understand?
Is you're name Wokey Mc Wokerson?

rocksolidfat

"On June 13, 2017 the City approved a permit application from Mr. Kessler"

"Mr. Kessler". You mean Jason Kessler. I have mentioned him a few times on this thread, as he is an open and proud white supremacist Jason Kessler, who has written articles on white replacement for open racist website VDare, and the same Jason Kessler who notably right wing website (ran by Fox News' Tucker Carlson) The Daily Caller stopped working with because of his white supremacist ties and views.

“Governments of the West are waging a campaign of slow extermination against their own core populations. It is white genocide.”
- Jason Kessler.

This is the same Jason Kessler that wrote about one of the other two neo Nazi Charlottesville rallies that summer, who himself clearly called it a "White Nationalist Demonstration" and commended how fellow white supremacist Richard Spencer (who helped organise Kessler's rally a few weeks later) hid behind the facade of theabout statues to do so. The same Jason Kessler he also speaks about 'race replacement' and proudly includes images of other openly white supremacist groups like Identity Evropa who were at that Rally. The same Jason Kessler who at that same rally thanked Holocaust deniers

You keep somehow managing to leave out the part where they are white supremacists, and not the type to even deny it or hide the fact. Just like you keep forgetting that even those who defended this rally going ahead, such as the ACLU that you referenced, also said it was a white supremacist rally.

Jason Kessler does not for one moment hide the fact that he is a white supremacist who incorporates this into just about everything he does... so why are you?

And here is the full list of organisers which I linked to earlier. I can see why you never addressed it, for the same reason you never addressed Jason Kessler being a very unashamed white supremacist, and the ACLU who helped the event go ahead also calling it a white supremacist rally.

- Stormer Book Clubs (SBCs) of the neo-Nazi news website The Daily Stormer,
- The proudly racist Right Stuff,
- Richard Spencer's white-replacement obsessed National Policy Institute,
- Four groups that form the Nationalist Front: the neo-Confederate League of the South and Identity Dixie, the neo-Nazi groups Traditionalist Worker Party, plus Vanguard America (formed by people deemed too extremist for the Holocaust denying National Alliance - Louis Theroux did a doc featuring them), and the swastika-loving National Socialist Movement.
- The Ku Klux Klan (specifically the Loyal White Knights and the Confederate White Knights branches),
- The Proud Boys' (whose founder we have seen advocating violence just a few posts up)
- Fraternal Order of Alt-Knights,
- Identity Evropa, who openly push for the 'Nazifiaction' of the USA.
- The Southern California-based fight club Rise Above Movement,
- The American Guard,
- True Cascadia,
- Canada-based ARM (Alt-Right Montreal) and Hammer Brothers whose Nazi chats were leaked online.
-Attomwaffen affiliated Anti-Communist Action.

Face it, it was a white supremacist rally. No amount of crying and playing the victim from you will change that.




Oh, and here is neo Nazi Jason Kessler having a nice little Nazi rant with a fellow white supremacist about 'The Jews'... then getting interrupted and scolded by his dad to get out of his room.

rocksolidfat

Veritas Libertas wrote: »

How about no? After you spectacularly got me so wrong now 3 times? Without ever even asking a question...

Now you have the gall to ask me what I meant while still continuing to attack me for something that you don't even understand?
Is you're name Wokey Mc Wokerson?

Nice late edit. I am going to be a little blunt here, the reason I am asking why you are so adamant about it is because right now, the only two logical answers are that you are a) sympathetic to white supremacists, or b) trolling. I am trying to give you the opportunity to clear all of this up, but it appears that you (yet again) appear to just be eager to use it as an opportunity to play the victim.

There could also be c) desperate to virtue signal your loyalty to Trump no matter what, as appears to be the case with auld Pete, but as you don't want to say if you are a Trump supporter or not I am only left with a) and b).

Veritas Libertas

The conversation started with me saying I would support extreme Islamists right to march just like I would a Nazi, just like the ACLU would. You have issues with credibility and honesty.
You then wrote an essay in reply that spectacularly got me wrong, then another 2 essays to follow without ever asking me what I meant.

If that makes me a troll or a white supremacist, you also have problems with cognition.

rocksolidfat

Veritas Libertas wrote: »

The conversation started with me saying I would support extreme Islamists right to march just like I would a Nazi, just like the ACLU would. You have issues with credibility and honesty.
You then wrote an essay in reply that spectacularly got me wrong, then another 2 essays to follow without ever asking me what I meant.

If that makes me a troll or a white supremacist, you also have problems with cognition.

I would love to pretend that you are just mistaken here and not intentionally lying, but it is getting difficult to keep entertaining you at face value.

I posted to Outlaw Pete outlining that Charlottesville was a far right, white supremacist rally, and how he would feel if Obama had done as Trump did amongst Islamic extremists.

You replied stating that freedom of speech is a human right, and that the ACLU is not far right and left part of a statement of theirs about Charlottesville.

To that, I replied that that freedom of speech is not absolute and has restrictions, and that Trump supporters are more than happy to see these restrictions placed on others. I also pointed out that the ACLU outright called Charlottesville a white supremacist rally, and linked to the other organising parties - which are all neo nazi and white supremacist groups.

You then had a bit of a melt down, insisting I was calling to you a Trump supporter over and over, insisting that nobody is inciting violence under the pretense of 'free speech' (despite my literally showing you examples), and continued on trying to pretend that this wasn't a white supremacist rally while squealing about me somehow 'lying' about you and failing to address more or less anything in my posts to you - including details you had requested (like the right wing/Gavin McInnes violence videos). All while refusing to expand on any of your stances on the matters discussed.

You have had no interest in discussing the matter, and have repeatedly been openly hostile to my attempts to do so. There is no other way to see that other than you being sympathetic to white supremacists and trying to obfuscate the fact that the nazi rally in Charlottesville which Outlaw Pete seems very, very defensive about was indeed a nazi rally... or a troll just looking for attention. If it is something else, please feel free to answer it along with the numerous questions on the matter that I have posed which you have made a point of ignoring and refusing to address.

Beasty

This thread is turning into tit for tat bickering, with 2 main protagonists

Veritas Libertas and rocksolidfat, do not post in this thread again

20Cent

Proud boy caught trying to smear antifa, looks like he stood in some dog poop as well. Lol

https://twitter.com/PugetSoundJBGC/status/1175181875519741952?s=19

PostWoke

No after pictures? Damn shame.

20Cent

White nationalism is now recognized as a major terror threat by the Department of Homeland Security

https://www.my9nj.com/amp/group-content-team/white-nationalism-is-now-recognized-as-a-major-terror-threat-by-the-department-of-homeland-security#click=https://t.co/zcLWTb5hFj


About time