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Antifa [Mod Warning on post #1 - updated 08/08/19]

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    #5462
    James Brown
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,013 ✭✭✭✭James Brown


    20Cent wrote: »
    White nationalism is now recognized as a major terror threat by the Department of Homeland Security

    https://www.my9nj.com/amp/group-content-team/white-nationalism-is-now-recognized-as-a-major-terror-threat-by-the-department-of-homeland-security#click=https://t.co/zcLWTb5hFj


    About time

    TBH, I would have thought with the KKK, this was already the case.


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    #5463
    PostWoke
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 559 ✭✭✭PostWoke


    Don't worry it'll be gone again next week. They flip-flop on that like no-one's business.


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    #5464
    notobtuse
    Registered Users Posts: 5,424 ✭✭✭notobtuse


    20Cent wrote: »
    White nationalism is now recognized as a major terror threat by the Department of Homeland Security

    https://www.my9nj.com/amp/group-content-team/white-nationalism-is-now-recognized-as-a-major-terror-threat-by-the-department-of-homeland-security#click=https://t.co/zcLWTb5hFj


    About time
    Hopefully Antifa is next. Oh, wait, they may already have...

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/antifa-domestic-terrorists-us-security-agencies-homeland-security-fbi-a7927881.html
    https://www.newsweek.com/are-antifa-terrorists-658396

    You can ignorantly accuse me of "whataboutism," but what it really is involves identifying similar scenarios in order to see if it holds up when the shoe is on the other foot!



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    #5465
    20Cent
    Registered Users Posts: 8,939 ✭✭✭20Cent


    notobtuse wrote: »
    Hopefully Antifa is next. Oh, wait, they may already have...

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/antifa-domestic-terrorists-us-security-agencies-homeland-security-fbi-a7927881.html

    Why?


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    #5466
    notobtuse
    Registered Users Posts: 5,424 ✭✭✭notobtuse


    20Cent wrote: »
    Why?
    Probably because Antifa are domestic terrorists.

    You can ignorantly accuse me of "whataboutism," but what it really is involves identifying similar scenarios in order to see if it holds up when the shoe is on the other foot!



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    #5467
    Brian?
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 21,438 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    notobtuse wrote: »
    Hopefully Antifa is next. Oh, wait, they may already have...

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/antifa-domestic-terrorists-us-security-agencies-homeland-security-fbi-a7927881.html
    https://www.newsweek.com/are-antifa-terrorists-658396

    You trust the liberal lame stream media now?

    they/them/theirs


    And so on, and so on …. - Slavoj Žižek




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    #5468
    20Cent
    Registered Users Posts: 8,939 ✭✭✭20Cent


    notobtuse wrote: »
    Hopefully Antifa is next. Oh, wait, they may already have...

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/antifa-domestic-terrorists-us-security-agencies-homeland-security-fbi-a7927881.html
    https://www.newsweek.com/are-antifa-terrorists-658396

    Strange that terrorists are allowed protest in the streets and aren't being arrested. Meanwhile with the far right.

    US soldier arrested for sharing bomb-making instructions and discussing bombing TV station

    https://www.thejournal.ie/us-solider-arrested-over-bomb-making-instructions-4821938-Sep2019/

    Along with sharing bomb-making instructions in a Facebook group chat, Smith discussed plans to attack a major TV news network using a car bomb and target members of the leftist group Antifa, the FBI said. The network was not identified in court documents.

    Smith also expressed an interest in traveling to Ukraine to fight with a far-right paramilitary group there, the Azov Battalion, according to the FBI.




    Driven mad by propaganda spread by grifters like Andy Ngo are going to kill more people.


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    #5469
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users Posts: 40,470 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    20Cent wrote: »
    Strange that terrorists are allowed protest in the streets and aren't being arrested. Meanwhile with the far right.

    US soldier arrested for sharing bomb-making instructions and discussing bombing TV station

    https://www.thejournal.ie/us-solider-arrested-over-bomb-making-instructions-4821938-Sep2019/

    Along with sharing bomb-making instructions in a Facebook group chat, Smith discussed plans to attack a major TV news network using a car bomb and target members of the leftist group Antifa, the FBI said. The network was not identified in court documents.

    Smith also expressed an interest in traveling to Ukraine to fight with a far-right paramilitary group there, the Azov Battalion, according to the FBI.




    Driven mad by propaganda spread by grifters like Andy Ngo are going to kill more people.

    Lone wolf.


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    #5470
    Brian?
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 21,438 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    20Cent wrote: »
    Strange that terrorists are allowed protest in the streets and aren't being arrested. Meanwhile with the far right.

    US soldier arrested for sharing bomb-making instructions and discussing bombing TV station

    https://www.thejournal.ie/us-solider-arrested-over-bomb-making-instructions-4821938-Sep2019/

    Along with sharing bomb-making instructions in a Facebook group chat, Smith discussed plans to attack a major TV news network using a car bomb and target members of the leftist group Antifa, the FBI said. The network was not identified in court documents.

    Smith also expressed an interest in traveling to Ukraine to fight with a far-right paramilitary group there, the Azov Battalion, according to the FBI.




    Driven mad by propaganda spread by grifters like Andy Ngo are going to kill more people.

    No, no, no, you don’t understand. This is all self defence against the violent terrorist movement of Antifa.

    they/them/theirs


    And so on, and so on …. - Slavoj Žižek




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    #5471
    SexBobomb
    Registered Users Posts: 442 ✭✭SexBobomb


    Any sign of the furry Nazi's yet lads ?


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    #5472
    20Cent
    Registered Users Posts: 8,939 ✭✭✭20Cent


    SexBobomb wrote: »
    Any sign of the furry Nazi's yet lads ?

    Not till December.
    Skin and hair will be flying.

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    #5473
    notobtuse
    Registered Users Posts: 5,424 ✭✭✭notobtuse


    Brian? wrote: »
    You trust the liberal lame stream media now?
    They can't be wrong ALL the time.

    You can ignorantly accuse me of "whataboutism," but what it really is involves identifying similar scenarios in order to see if it holds up when the shoe is on the other foot!



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    #5474
    notobtuse
    Registered Users Posts: 5,424 ✭✭✭notobtuse


    Apparently not only Joey Gibson and Patriot Prayer are in hot water for the Portland May Day brawl, know as the Cider Riot. Oregon Liquor Control Commission (OLCC) has concluded the owner of Cider Riot, Abram Goldman-Armstrong, should face administrative charges for his behavior that day:
    The investigators allege Goldman-Armstrong, who was at Cider Riot during the altercation, photographed patrons using “illegal weapons”. He was also aware of multiple people getting injured throughout the confrontation, which lasted more than a half-hour.

    “Goldman-Armstrong stated that his patrons were only acting in self-defense but clearly, according to the video, he was present and watching as patrons displayed aggressive behavior,” wrote state inspector Genny Welp.

    The Cider Riot owner never tried to remove these patrons from his pub, investigators allege, which state rules require.

    He and the security guard working that day, Joseph LeVasseaur, also provided false statements, the investigators allege in the report…

    The report recommends Cider Riot’s owner and staff to be charged with providing false statements, failure to evict and permitting unlawful and disorderly activity, all state alcohol license violations. A charge of destroyed or concealed evidence also appears in the report, but the details of that allegation are redacted.

    Happy justice isn’t completely biased in Portland.

    You can ignorantly accuse me of "whataboutism," but what it really is involves identifying similar scenarios in order to see if it holds up when the shoe is on the other foot!



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    #5475
    James Brown
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,013 ✭✭✭✭James Brown


    notobtuse wrote: »
    Apparently not only Joey Gibson and Patriot Prayer are in hot water for the Portland May Day brawl, know as the Cider Riot. Oregon Liquor Control Commission (OLCC) has concluded the owner of Cider Riot, Abram Goldman-Armstrong, should face administrative charges for his behavior that day:



    Happy justice isn’t completely biased in Portland.

    The racist groups march in Portland to stir things up. That makes them scum bags only out to cause trouble IMO, so complaining when they get it is the opposite, I'm sure they love it. They can play the patriotic martyrs while they spread hate.


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    #5476
    Brian?
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 21,438 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    notobtuse wrote: »
    They can't be wrong ALL the time.

    You trust them when they tell you what you want to hear.

    they/them/theirs


    And so on, and so on …. - Slavoj Žižek




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    #5477
    Brian?
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 21,438 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    notobtuse wrote: »
    Apparently not only Joey Gibson and Patriot Prayer are in hot water for the Portland May Day brawl, know as the Cider Riot. Oregon Liquor Control Commission (OLCC) has concluded the owner of Cider Riot, Abram Goldman-Armstrong, should face administrative charges for his behavior that day:



    Happy justice isn’t completely biased in Portland.

    So your contention that Antifa are getting a pass in Portland has completely fallen apart. Nice.

    they/them/theirs


    And so on, and so on …. - Slavoj Žižek




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    #5478
    notobtuse
    Registered Users Posts: 5,424 ✭✭✭notobtuse


    Brian? wrote: »
    You trust them when they tell you what you want to hear.
    Nah, I do trust them when their reporting is unbiased... which is becoming rarer and rarer these days, evidenced as trust in the media by consumers has hit rock bottom.

    You can ignorantly accuse me of "whataboutism," but what it really is involves identifying similar scenarios in order to see if it holds up when the shoe is on the other foot!



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    #5479
    notobtuse
    Registered Users Posts: 5,424 ✭✭✭notobtuse


    Brian? wrote: »
    So your contention that Antifa are getting a pass in Portland has completely fallen apart. Nice.
    Sure took long enough. Let's see if actual charges by law enforcement are undertaken, or if the mayor once again handcuffs the police from doing their jobs.

    You can ignorantly accuse me of "whataboutism," but what it really is involves identifying similar scenarios in order to see if it holds up when the shoe is on the other foot!



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    #5480
    Brian?
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 21,438 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    notobtuse wrote: »
    Nah, I do trust them when their reporting is unbiased... which is becoming rarer and rarer these days, evidenced as trust in the media by consumers has hit rock bottom.

    So how do you know when it’s unbiased? When it says something you like ?

    they/them/theirs


    And so on, and so on …. - Slavoj Žižek




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    #5481
    Brian?
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 21,438 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    notobtuse wrote: »
    Sure took long enough. Let's see if actual charges by law enforcement are undertaken, or if the mayor once again handcuffs the police from doing their jobs.

    You’ve yet to prove the police were ever impeded by the mayor. You’re just telling the same lie over and over.

    they/them/theirs


    And so on, and so on …. - Slavoj Žižek




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    #5482
    notobtuse
    Registered Users Posts: 5,424 ✭✭✭notobtuse


    Brian? wrote: »
    So how do you know when it’s unbiased? When it says something you like ?
    When the media reports are done by journalists instead of activists.

    You can ignorantly accuse me of "whataboutism," but what it really is involves identifying similar scenarios in order to see if it holds up when the shoe is on the other foot!



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    #5483
    notobtuse
    Registered Users Posts: 5,424 ✭✭✭notobtuse


    Brian? wrote: »
    You’ve yet to prove the police were ever impeded by the mayor. You’re just telling the same lie over and over.
    Are you calling the Portland police department liars?

    You can ignorantly accuse me of "whataboutism," but what it really is involves identifying similar scenarios in order to see if it holds up when the shoe is on the other foot!



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    #5484
    James Brown
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,013 ✭✭✭✭James Brown


    notobtuse wrote: »
    Nah, I do trust them when their reporting is unbiased... which is becoming rarer and rarer these days, evidenced as trust in the media by consumers has hit rock bottom.

    You cite the media every other day, just a media skewed in your favour. A media that tells you you're right. A media funded and owned by the right.
    Would you not read from a few different sources and come up with a conclusion of your own?
    The mainstream media reports facts. There is an element of spin, but it is by no means 'fake news', a term used by a known liar who trips himself up more often than not.


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    #5485
    notobtuse
    Registered Users Posts: 5,424 ✭✭✭notobtuse


    Matt Barrett wrote: »
    You cite the media every other day, just a media skewed in your favour. A media that tells you you're right. A media funded and owned by the right.
    Would you not read from a few different sources and come up with a conclusion of your own?
    The mainstream media reports facts. There is an element of spin, but it is by no means 'fake news', a term used by a known liar who trips himself up more often than not.
    Of course I cite the media in my reporting. I thought is was mandatory for anyone on the Right (and only the Right) to provide sources to back up their contentions. I read RealClearPolitics every day, both Right and Left articles as they often have reporting on the same subject from both the Left and Right. Just look at the headlines and tell me there is no bias. I can read the headlines and tell you in one-to-three guesses who the media entity is.
    https://www.realclearpolitics.com/

    I must admit, though, my favorite reporting source is PJ Media. Their reporting/commentary on the money, their common sense is impeccable, and their humor is top notch.
    https://pjmedia.com/

    You can ignorantly accuse me of "whataboutism," but what it really is involves identifying similar scenarios in order to see if it holds up when the shoe is on the other foot!



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    #5486
    Brian?
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 21,438 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    notobtuse wrote: »
    Brian? wrote: »
    You’ve yet to prove the police were ever impeded by the mayor. You’re just telling the same lie over and over.
    Are you calling the Portland police department liars?

    I'm calling the head of the Portland police union incorrect. Let's drop the hyperbole.

    You have zero evidence that the police were ordered to pay off Antifa and a lot of recent arrests of Antifa members on the opposite side. You're on a loser here.

    they/them/theirs


    And so on, and so on …. - Slavoj Žižek




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    #5487
    Brian?
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 21,438 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    notobtuse wrote: »
    Brian? wrote: »
    So how do you know when it’s unbiased? When it says something you like ?
    When the media reports are done by journalists instead of activists.

    They're all done by journalists.

    I'd have more respect for your position if you flat out refused to use mainstream media sources. But instead you're happy to use them when they agree with you. The hypocrisy is hilarious.

    they/them/theirs


    And so on, and so on …. - Slavoj Žižek




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    #5488
    Brian?
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 21,438 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    notobtuse wrote: »
    Matt Barrett wrote: »
    You cite the media every other day, just a media skewed in your favour. A media that tells you you're right. A media funded and owned by the right.
    Would you not read from a few different sources and come up with a conclusion of your own?
    The mainstream media reports facts. There is an element of spin, but it is by no means 'fake news', a term used by a known liar who trips himself up more often than not.
    Of course I cite the media in my reporting. I thought is was mandatory for anyone on the Right (and only the Right) to provide sources to back up their contentions. I read RealClearPolitics every day, both Right and Left articles as they often have reporting on the same subject from both the Left and Right. Just look at the headlines and tell me there is no bias. I can read the headlines and tell you in one-to-three guesses who the media entity is.
    https://www.realclearpolitics.com/

    I must admit, though, my favorite reporting source is PJ Media. Their reporting/commentary on the money, their common sense is impeccable, and their humor is top notch.
    https://pjmedia.com/

    Right. You love media that tells you you're right. You do not appreciate unbiased reporting.

    I scanned PJ media, it's predominantly opinion pieces. You do know the difference between a news article and an opinion piece?

    they/them/theirs


    And so on, and so on …. - Slavoj Žižek




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    #5489
    notobtuse
    Registered Users Posts: 5,424 ✭✭✭notobtuse


    Brian? wrote: »
    Right. You love media that tells you you're right. You do not appreciate unbiased reporting.

    I scanned PJ media, it's predominantly opinion pieces. You do know the difference between a news article and an opinion piece?
    There is very little unbiased reporting these days.

    That's why I noted it as being reporting/commentary. It's a mixture of reporting and opinion.

    CNN's Jim Acosta says media 'neutrality' doesn't serve us in the age of Trump, and admitted to 'showboating' and 'grandstanding.' 'Journalists' should have their titles in quotes, nowadays.

    Don’t they pretty much all, anymore?

    You can ignorantly accuse me of "whataboutism," but what it really is involves identifying similar scenarios in order to see if it holds up when the shoe is on the other foot!



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    #5490
    notobtuse
    Registered Users Posts: 5,424 ✭✭✭notobtuse


    Brian? wrote: »
    I'm calling the head of the Portland police union incorrect. Let's drop the hyperbole.

    You have zero evidence that the police were ordered to pay off Antifa and a lot of recent arrests of Antifa members on the opposite side. You're on a loser here.
    The head of the union for Portland police is the spokesman for the rank and file police members… you know... the guys and gals who put their lives on the line everyday and only worry about the jobs they do and not the politics that restrict them from doing their jobs.

    Who said the police paid off Antifa? Please provide sources to back it up. And stay consistent on your comments and make sure they aren’t sources that tell you that you are right or agree with you! (See how silly what you say now sounds?)

    You can ignorantly accuse me of "whataboutism," but what it really is involves identifying similar scenarios in order to see if it holds up when the shoe is on the other foot!



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    #5491
    Brian?
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 21,438 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    notobtuse wrote: »
    The head of the union for Portland police is the spokesman for the rank and file police members… you know... the guys and gals who put their lives on the line everyday and only worry about the jobs they do and not the politics that restrict them from doing their jobs.

    And the mayor who disagreed with him was elected by the entire population of Portland to serve them. You choose to believe one over the other based on your own bias.
    Who said the police paid off Antifa? Please provide sources to back it up. And stay consistent on your comments and make sure they aren’t sources that tell you that you are right or agree with you! (See how silly what you say now sounds?)

    Typo. It should have said “lay off”

    they/them/theirs


    And so on, and so on …. - Slavoj Žižek




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