Antifa [Mod Warning on post #1 - updated 08/08/19]

Overheal

Tasfasdf wrote: »

When you think Trump supporters etc are "fascists", you've left you brain in the gutter. Funny how political violence is widely accepted by the "anti-fascists".

The Luas crowd weren’t trump supporters?

1800_Ladladlad

20Cent wrote: »

Who said we were tolerant?

Unite cumrads.

1800_Ladladlad

Vague

Outlaw Pete

How conservatives react to abhorrent views being expressed by far right scum:


https://twitter.com/bennyjohnson/status/1194840773365260291


If only liberals reacted similarly to the violent factions of the far left.

FTA69

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

Scum. It was even reported that it was staged. Here it is:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JAKM2qbJc6o

Great to see a load of fash c*nts get thumped up. Delighted nobody got prison time and that little scrote isn’t popping up again any time soon.

ancapailldorcha

Eric Cartman wrote: »

see 7 far left agitators convicted for attacking members of an anti free speech group on the luas, just more evidence of the ‘tolerant left’

Neo-nazis are "free speech groups" now and their opponents "far left". That's the stupidest thing I've read in a long time.

Harvey Weinstein

Funny how you don't see the modern day Anti Fascists going after Bankers, Corporations, Vulture Funds, Financiers, Capitalists etc

You don't see them at evictions, outside hospitals where people have died on trolleys, Farm repossessions or anything like that.

You would almost think they were on the same side...

FTA69

Harvey Weinstein wrote: »

Funny how you don't see the modern day Anti Fascists going after Bankers, Corporations, Vulture Funds, Financiers, Capitalists etc

You don't see them at evictions, outside hospitals where people have died on trolleys, Farm repossessions or anything like that.

You would almost think they were on the same side...

I’m an anti-fascist and do loads of stuff along the lines of what you’ve mentioned above. The only force that can resist the excesses of capitalism is an organised working class, something the far-right have zero interest in.

The far-right lot have no analysis to the above processes and instead blame it all on scapegoats.

Harvey Weinstein

FTA69 wrote: »

I’m an anti-fascist and do loads of stuff along the lines of what you’ve mentioned above. The only force that can resist the excesses of capitalism is an organised working class, something the far-right have zero interest in.

The far-right lot have no analysis to the above processes and instead blame it all on scapegoats.

Buddy, unlless you're a complete fool you would know that mass immigration is a wet dream for the Capitalists..it is the tool of Capitalism.

Drive down wages, drive up rents, enrich the property class, overload the health system leading to eventual privatisation the list goes on and on

The number one victims of mass immigration are the working class.

All you guys have been duped ..big time.

You're worklng for the enemy

FTA69

I don’t agree with no borders at all, I believe in a planned economy where all economic factors are regulated. That having been said I’m savvy enough to know that some Jamaican cleaner isn’t my enemy, and I’ve more in common with them than I do Nigel Farage.

When do you ever see the far-right campaigning against landlordism, for rent controls, for state built housing and for unionisation?

All you lot do is moan about some Muslim taxi driver and melt your own heads with conspiracy theories.

Harvey Weinstein

FTA69 wrote: »

I don’t agree with no borders at all, I believe in a planned economy where all economic factors are regulated. That having been said I’m savvy enough to know that some Jamaican cleaner isn’t my enemy, and I’ve more in common with them than I do Nigel Farage.

When do you ever see the far-right campaigning against landlordism, for rent controls, for state built housing and for unionisation?

All you lot do is moan about some Muslim taxi driver and melt your own heads with conspiracy theories.

I'm not Far Right, and people on our side complain about these issues all the time

I'm not against anyone, from any background or ethnicity. But I know that a society of numerous different groups makes socialism impossible as there are far too many competing interests, cultures, religions to have any kind of cohesive stand against the onslaught of global capital.

My issue with immigration is not so much how it is now, its where its heading. If immigration was severely curtailed now then things would possibly work out. But its not going to stop and thats the problem.

johnnyskeleton

FTA69 wrote: »

Great to see a load of fash c*nts get thumped up. Delighted nobody got prison time and that little scrote isn’t popping up again any time soon.

Is it though? Leaving aside the moral question about when violence is justified, would any of us have heard of Pegida or any of these other fringe groups if it wasn't for the newspaper stories about them being attacked at protests?

Maybe, just maybe, it's different in the USA, where the fringe groups seem to get a lot of airtime anyway, but even then you have to wonder do these violent clashes really do anything other than bring publicity to the two extremes?

I think the best way to deal with extreme views is not to go looking for them and, when confronted by them, to debate them calmly and rationally.

FTA69

Harvey Weinstein wrote: »

I'm not Far Right, and people on our side complain about these issues all the time

I'm not against anyone, from any background or ethnicity. But I know that a society of numerous different groups makes socialism impossible as there are far too many competing interests, cultures, religions to have any kind of cohesive stand against the onslaught of global capital.

My issue with immigration is not so much how it is now, its where its heading. If immigration was severely curtailed now then things would possibly work out. But its not going to stop and thats the problem.

The far right may moan about that stuff but their blame always, always ends up falling on ordinary migrant workers instead of the actual power brokers in society. And even in the rare occasions they do look up they bang on about elites in silly conspiratorial terms as opposed to having actual class analysis. As for activism on issues of housing and pay etc, I’ve spent the past six years organising workers to militantly challenge for pay rises and without fail in every bus garage, building site and canteen there’s some dopey Tommy Robinson type f*cker saying “I ain’t joining no lefty union” etc etc. All they are is scabs and bosses’ mates, same as the far right always were.

Your claims about socialism are **** to put it lightly, immigrants are often to the forefront of fighting for better pay and conditions. We had a strike of African hospital cleaners here in 2017 that went on 24 days while the cockney porters (with some exception) scabbed every single day and supported the private company in breaking the strike.

Working class people can easily unite past religious and racial lines; the USSR had hundreds of ethnicities, Yugoslavia was a lot better off when all that other nonsense was disregarded.

The very fact you’re talking about immigrants in Ireland as the main issue as opposed to a lack of public housing or an unregulated cabal of bankers screwing the rest of us shows how short-sighted and redundant your view is.

FTA69

johnnyskeleton wrote: »

Is it though? Leaving aside the moral question about when violence is justified, would any of us have heard of Pegida or any of these other fringe groups if it wasn't for the newspaper stories about them being attacked at protests?

Maybe, just maybe, it's different in the USA, where the fringe groups seem to get a lot of airtime anyway, but even then you have to wonder do these violent clashes really do anything other than bring publicity to the two extremes?

I think the best way to deal with extreme views is not to go looking for them and, when confronted by them, to debate them calmly and rationally.

Calmly and rationally debate fascism? Sounds like a laugh. Next time there’s a mob of violent p*ssed up EDL types marching provocatively through areas shouting “Allah is a Paedo” you can nip down and tell them that they’re wrong.

There is no debating fascism, they’re inherently wedded to violently crushing opposition.

1800_Ladladlad

Brian? wrote: »

Serious question, what age are you? If I was to guess by that post I'd say no older than 12.

Tasfasdf

So many mods on this thread defending or members of Anftifa.

"Unite cumrads" Brilliant 1800_Ladladlad:pac:

ancapailldorcha

johnnyskeleton wrote: »

Is it though? Leaving aside the moral question about when violence is justified, would any of us have heard of Pegida or any of these other fringe groups if it wasn't for the newspaper stories about them being attacked at protests?

Maybe, just maybe, it's different in the USA, where the fringe groups seem to get a lot of airtime anyway, but even then you have to wonder do these violent clashes really do anything other than bring publicity to the two extremes?

I think the best way to deal with extreme views is not to go looking for them and, when confronted by them, to debate them calmly and rationally.

You say that but the problem with that is that you are effectively asking sections of society to tolerate extremists who ultimately resent their existence or even desire their extermination which doesn't seem fair to me.

I don't condone violence but I really can't sympathise with the sort of scum who endorse white ethnic nationalism given that we know where that road ends.

Brian?

1800_Ladladlad wrote: »

So you agree you’ve the mind of a 12 year old?

Brian?

Tasfasdf wrote: »

So many mods on this thread defending or members of Anftifa.

"Unite cumrads" Brilliant 1800_Ladladlad:pac:

What does being a moderator have to do with anything? I moderate the fitness forum, Antifa doesn’t really come up there often.

Tasfasdf

Brian? wrote: »

So you agree you’ve the mind of a 12 year old?

And he has the mind of a 12 year old:rolleyes::rolleyes:

stefanovich

Brian? wrote: »

What does being a moderator have to do with anything? I moderate the fitness forum, Antifa doesn’t really come up there often.

Well, it matters when the moderators are overtly biased and their moderation is influenced by their politics.

Outlaw Pete

FTA69 wrote: »

Great to see a load of fash c*nts get thumped up.

If you support people being violently attacked (and clearly you do, along with those who thanked your post) purely because of the views they express, then I'd suggest you (collective you) are the very thing which you purport to despise.

Far left violence is no more noble than far right violence. Both are abhorrent and they have more in common with one another than either would care to admit.

1800_Ladladlad

Brian? wrote: »

So you agree you’ve the mind of a 12 year old?

Cathy Newman? That you? The mind of a simpleton?

stefanovich

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

If you support people being violently attacked (and clearly you do, along with those who thanked your post) purely because of the views they express, then I'd suggest you (collective you) are the very thing which you purport to despise.

Far left violence is no more noble than far right violence. Both are abhorrent and they have more in common with one another than either would care to admit.

If you use your fists it means you don't have an argument or are not evolved enough to express it.

1800_Ladladlad

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

If you support people being violently attacked (and clearly you do, along with those who thanked your post) purely because of the views they express, then I'd suggest you (collective you) are the very thing which you purport to despise.

Far left violence is no more noble than far right violence. Both are abhorrent and they have more in common with one another than either would care to admit.

And that's my issue. If you cleary state that violence of any kind from both sides is vile but then call out violent political movements like this you are a "fash". It evidently clear the number of people who support violence once it supports their views and beliefs. Clear as day on this thread. The hypocrisy of the highest order!

20Cent

stefanovich wrote: »

If you use your fists it means you don't have an argument or are not evolved enough to express it.

So naive, fascists love people with this attitude.

stefanovich

20Cent wrote: »

So naive, fascists love people with this attitude.

I am struggling to see who the enemy of antifa are? Everyone who isn't a full blown commie is a fascist according to them.

Outlaw Pete

1800_Ladladlad wrote: »

It evidently clear the number of people who support violence once it supports their views and beliefs.

Aye, and not just with regards to supporting violence against those who are expressing views they don't align with, but supporting the silencing of such people in many other ways also. Which of course are the hallmarks of fascism and yet they act as if fascism is what they deplore. Nah, what they deplore is non-leftist views being expressed and a society no longer choosing to adhere to leftist groupthink any longer. They see the signs that many countries in the west are waking up to the damage leftists have done and they don't like it one bit.

markodaly

FTA69 wrote: »

Great to see a load of fash c*nts get thumped up. Delighted nobody got prison time and that little scrote isn’t popping up again any time soon.

You are normally a decent poster FTA but come on. Hitting someone over the head with a piece of iron?

Liberal you are not.

markodaly

FTA69 wrote: »

I’m an anti-fascist and do loads of stuff along the lines of what you’ve mentioned above. The only force that can resist the excesses of capitalism is an organised working class, something the far-right have zero interest in.

The far-right lot have no analysis to the above processes and instead blame it all on scapegoats.

Ironically, European fascism in the 30's was very much that but it didn't work out so well.
Left wing organisation against capitalism ala Soviet Union didn't work out so well either.