Antifa [Mod Warning on post #1 - updated 08/08/19]

Mr. Karate

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

Yeah, seen that and what was funny is they said that homeless people "took away" their food

LOL. I'm all for nature taking it course on these idiots.

statesaver

They put up borders quick didn't they.

Let them eat themselves from within, it'll be fun to watch.

suicide_circus

Antifa - crusties on adderal

Mr. Karate

statesaver wrote: »

They put up borders quick didn't they.

Let them eat themselves from within, it'll be fun to watch.

But... I thought they were for No Borders [and no USA]. They chant it enough at their riots.....I mean peaceful protests.

Mr. Karate

suicide_circus wrote: »

Antifa - crusties on adderal

Have you seen these special people without their masks? Taking the trust fund babies out of the equation Antifa is full genetic dead ends that would have been quickly eliminated from the gene pool if we were in war or killed if were in less civilized times.

ohnonotgmail

Mr. Karate wrote: »

Have you seen these special people without their masks? Taking the trust fund babies out of the equation Antifa is full genetic dead ends that would have been quickly eliminated from the gene pool if we were in war or killed if were in less civilized times.

and yet trump is so scared of them he wants them declared a terrorist organisation. all very odd

da_miser

These halfwits in the CHAZ have in a few days lost any potential gains the the BLM group could have made in the coming months.
Disband the Police in the CHAZ, and new police appear, asking Business for "donations".
The new police beat up people in the CHAZ, the CHAZ folk then phone 911 for Police assistance, get told , your in a non Police zone, the folk in the CHAZ are taking care of their own policing.
Totally against borders and Trumps wall, yet erect fences and barriers to "keep trouble makers out of the CHAZ".
Are being left alone to live in their own little "free republic", free from police oppression, and are pissed of the the Police wont storm the CHAZ, so they can cry "police brutality"
They are clowns, no if ands or buts about it, they have all but ensured that Trump wins in a landslide come November.
What person in their senses would vote for the Dems who actively encourage this type of idiocy?

Retr0gamer

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

and yet trump is so scared of them he wants them declared a terrorist organisation. all very odd

Even weirder is that Antifa don't exist as a group so it's like being afraid of the boogieman. Antifa just means anti fascist which every sane person should be.

Of course it's probably more so that the right wing needs a radical left wing group to make a boogieman out of. Far right and alt right groups have the likes of militant groups like the KKK, neo Nazis and their like. The furthest left a socialist can be is to offer you free health care. So Antifa is an invention of the right because 'alt-left' is a ludicrous as it sounds and they need an alt-left group as bad as their own alt-right groups.

Of course those they label as 'alt-left' or 'antifa' are anarchists that aren't aligned with the left but can't let that spoil the far right's made up narrative of 'hey we might have hardcore armed and militant nationalist and racist groups aligned to us but you guys have the scary Antifa! Are armed racists and nationalist any worse. We are awful but the left is worse!'.

Overheal

da_miser wrote: »

These halfwits in the CHAZ have in a few days lost any potential gains the the BLM group could have made in the coming months.
Disband the Police in the CHAZ, and new police appear, asking Business for "donations".
The new police beat up people in the CHAZ, the CHAZ folk then phone 911 for Police assistance, get told , your in a non Police zone, the folk in the CHAZ are taking care of their own policing.
Totally against borders and Trumps wall, yet erect fences and barriers to "keep trouble makers out of the CHAZ".
Are being left alone to live in their own little "free republic", free from police oppression, and are pissed of the the Police wont storm the CHAZ, so day can cry "police brutality"
They are clowns, no if ands or buts about it, they have all but ensured that Trump wins in a landslide come November.
What person in their senses would vote for the Dems who actively encourage this type of idiocy?

I think you greatly over exaggerate what their effect will be on national politics.

da_miser

Retr0gamer wrote: »

. Antifa just means anti fascist which every sane person should be.

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Antifa started in Germany by the communist party.
They are every bit as bad as NAZIS, but the media paints them as the good guys, why and to what ends is the question you should be asking.

Retr0gamer

da_miser wrote: »

Antifa started in Germany by the communist party.
They are every bit as bad as NAZIS, but the media paints them as the good guys, why and to what ends is the question you should be asking.

So what has a group from the 1930's got anything to do with America? Also a group that was opposed to Nazi's doesn't sound that bad especially when they were formed at a time when the Nazi's were actively hunting down communists, assaulting them and killing them. But sure the Nazi's were the good guys.

Antifa then has nothing to do with now. Its an anti fascist movement and not a group. People opposed to fascism.

da_miser

Overheal wrote: »

I think you greatly over exaggerate what their effect will be on national politics.

If im running the GOP election campaign for November, i would be trawling through the social media history of the Dems, looking for any instance where they show sympathy for any Antifa, they will find plenty, they just push it out to the wider public and watch as the majority of the population votes Trump for law and order.
Reagan level of victory incoming for Trump.
The Dems insistence on being Woke has them support every fringe lunatic anti Trump group in the nation, the public now see the Dems as the party of Wokeness gone mad and will vote Trump as a voice of reason in clown world.

da_miser

Retr0gamer wrote: »

So what has a group from the 1930's got anything to do with America? Also a group that was opposed to Nazi's doesn't sound that bad especially when they were formed at a time when the Nazi's were actively hunting down communists, assaulting them and killing them. But sure the Nazi's were the good guys.

Antifa then has nothing to do with now. Its an anti fascist movement and not a group. People opposed to fascism.

Who started the Paramilitary Groups first?
Who was out rioting in the streets first?

Why was the Nazi party created?

Answer these questions and then tell me why Antifa are the good guys

Retr0gamer

Why would democrats support vigilantes? Only politicians I saw supporting vigilantes was trumps 'very fine people' in Michigan and their bugaloo crazies.

mynamejeff

Retr0gamer wrote: »

So what has a group from the 1930's got anything to do with America? Also a group that was opposed to Nazi's doesn't sound that bad especially when they were formed at a time when the Nazi's were actively hunting down communists, assaulting them and killing them. But sure the Nazi's were the good guys.

Antifa then has nothing to do with now. Its an anti fascist movement and not a group. People opposed to fascism.

Jut because a group fought against Nazis doesn't make them good people ,

that is a childishly simplistic view , check out the communist groups in eastern Europe Poland Romania Latvia towards the end of the war

Retr0gamer

da_miser wrote: »

Who started the Paramilitary Groups first?
Who was out rioting in the streets first?

Why was the Nazi party created?

Answer these questions and then tell me why Antifa are the good guys

I won't, because a group from the 1930's has nothing to do with what is happening now. As I said Antifa aren't left, they are anarchist. Pretty sure the Nazi's blamed a lot of their own crimes on antifa and communists to gain favour. Kind of parables with the far right at the moment blaming anarchist activities on anarchists.

I've no love for people that would associate themselves with Antifa and their violent methods. But similarly any left or far left leaning person would not support these loonies either. They aren't left or far-left. They are just anarchists out for trouble. Unlike the right who are associated with far-right militant groups and support them.

Retr0gamer

mynamejeff wrote: »

Jut because a group fought against Nazis doesn't make them good people ,

that is a childishly simplistic view , check out the communist groups in eastern Europe Poland Romania Latvia towards the end of the war

I never said they were good.

da_miser

Retr0gamer wrote: »

I won't, because a group from the 1930's has nothing to do with what is happening now.
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You were called out on your nonsense and now refuse to answer questions that will show you are posting nonsense.
So according to you, to-days Antifa has nothing to do with Antifa of years past, but Trump and the Republicans are the carriers of Hitlers flame and the modern day continuation of the Nazi party.
Have i encapsulated the woke world view correctly in the above?

Retr0gamer

da_miser wrote: »

You were called out on your nonsense and now refuse to answer questions that will show you are posting nonsense.
So according to you, to-days Antifa has nothing to do with Antifa of years past, but Trump and the Republicans are the carriers of Hitlers flame and the modern day continuation of the Nazi party.
Have i encapsulated the woke world view correctly in the above?

None of which I said. So please stop putting words into my mouth. That's same idiotic arguing that makes you associate a 1930's fanatical group with a hashtag.

All I'm arguing is that anyone that is associates themselves with Antifa is an anarchist and no left leaning politican or person would associate themselves with their violent methods. The current far right government has latched on to the word 'Antifa' and applied it to any public disorder they don't approve of rather than Antifa being any kind of group or organisation. But it's a handy catch all phrase to use and to lump the left wing in with to try and soil their name despite there being no connection between them.

Overheal

da_miser wrote: »

You were called out on your nonsense and now refuse to answer questions that will show you are posting nonsense.
So according to you, to-days Antifa has nothing to do with Antifa of years past, but Trump and the Republicans are the carriers of Hitlers flame and the modern day continuation of the Nazi party.
Have i encapsulated the woke world view correctly in the above?

In fact no you haven’t. But it’s fun to watch so please continue

Brian?

Retr0gamer wrote: »

None of which I said. So please stop putting words into my mouth. That's same idiotic arguing that makes you associate a 1930's fanatical group with a hashtag.

All I'm arguing is that anyone that is associates themselves with Antifa is an anarchist and no left leaning politican or person would associate themselves with their violent methods. Also I feel that the current far right government has latched on to the word 'Antifa' and applied it to any public disorder they don't approve of rather than Antifa being any kind of group or organisation. But it's a handy catch all phrase to use and to lump the left wing in with to try and soil their name despite there being no connection between them.

Not everyone who associates themselves with Antifa is an anarchist. Not every anarchist is associated with Antifa. Not every anarchist is violent.

I agree with the rest. The alt right have largely created the narrative around Antifa, to fog and obfuscate their own actions. If they can draw attention away from themselves and paint someone else as a bogeyman they win.

Brian?

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

Antifa / radical leftists have gone from chanting "No Border, No wall, No USA at all!" to actually building their own walls :P



https://twitter.com/MrAndyNgo/status/1270967403464126467

#antifa? How do we know Antifa were involved? Are we supposed to take the word of a guy who’s a known liar, forging a career out of taking on Antifa? I’d prefer a corroborating source that I could trust.

CtevenSrowder

Retr0gamer wrote: »

So what has a group from the 1930's got anything to do with America? Also a group that was opposed to Nazi's doesn't sound that bad especially when they were formed at a time when the Nazi's were actively hunting down communists, assaulting them and killing them. But sure the Nazi's were the good guys.

Antifa then has nothing to do with now. Its an anti fascist movement and not a group. People opposed to fascism.

If they are an anarchist group then they are not simply anti-fascist are they? They're is a broader purpose, ironically something that could quite easily lead to a surge in Fascism.

Overheal

CtevenSrowder wrote: »

If they are an anarchist group then they are not simply anti-fascist are they? They're is a broader purpose, ironically something that could quite easily lead to a surge in Fascism.

Well fascism is about an authoritative regime. Anarchism proposes that nobody is in charge, that there is no regime fascist or not. So I could see the ideologies overlapping.

CtevenSrowder

Overheal wrote: »

Well fascism is about an authoritative regime. Anarchism proposes that nobody is in charge, that there is no regime fascist or not. So I could see the ideologies overlapping.

But humans naturally have hierarchies. If no-one is in charge someone is going to want to be in charge and could easily use fascist means to achieve this, which was my point. I'm aware the ideologies are completely different.

Retr0gamer

CtevenSrowder wrote: »

If they are an anarchist group then they are not simply anti-fascist are they? They're is a broader purpose, ironically something that could quite easily lead to a surge in Fascism.

The issue is that 'Antifa' is being applied to people that don't even associate themselves with Antifa. It's anyone that the GOP doesn't agree with. Do you really think the looters are Antifa and all below to some organisation that's a left wing conspiracy? Or are the just opportunists looking to gain from the violence. But then the GOP never let facts get in the way of votes and label them alt-left and Antifa. Most probably don't give a toss about Antifa or politics.

Man pushed over by police? GOP says he must be an Antifa antagonist.

People upset over police brutality and inherent racism within america? Label them Antifa and file them away with the left.

Overheal

CtevenSrowder wrote: »

But humans naturally have hierarchies. If no-one is in charge someone is going to want to be in charge and could easily use fascist means to achieve this, which was my point. I'm aware the ideologies are completely different.

Well I never said anarchists were particularly forward thinking people

notobtuse

I found it interesting in an interview with Attorney General William Barr that I saw. The question was posed to him about what the Department of Justice was doing about Antifa in light of the recent videos put out by Project Veritas. His answer was that they’re going after the money. Interesting answer because if the DOJ uses RICO (Racketeer Influenced and Corrupt Organizations Act) against Antifa, some very prominent and powerful names could get caught up with Antifa and prosecuted.

ohnonotgmail

notobtuse wrote: »

I found it interesting in an interview with Attorney General William Barr that I saw. The question was posed to him about what the Department of Justice was doing about Antifa in light of the recent videos put out by Project Veritas. His answer was that they’re going after the money. Interesting answer because if the DOJ uses RICO (Racketeer Influenced and Corrupt Organizations Act) against Antifa, some very prominent and powerful names could get caught up with Antifa and prosecuted.

if Dan Rather is a liar then Bill Barr is a massive liar. a person best ignored.

Overheal

And hillary will be in handcuffs any day now

- famous last words, 2012.