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Antifa [Mod Warning on post #1 - updated 08/08/19]

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    #7562
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users Posts: 40,470 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    Overheal wrote: »
    And hillary will be in handcuffs any day now

    - famous last words, 2012.

    it is lucky that trump likes orange


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    #7563
    Overheal
    Registered Users Posts: 83,534 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    ohnonotgmail wrote: »
    it is lucky that trump likes orange

    Just not enough to buy a legal voting address in Florida


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    #7564
    Retr0gamer
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 51,488 CMod ✭✭✭✭Retr0gamer


    notobtuse wrote: »
    I found it interesting in an interview with Attorney General William Barr that I saw. The question was posed to him about what the Department of Justice was doing about Antifa in light of the recent videos put out by Project Veritas. His answer was that they’re going after the money. Interesting answer because if the DOJ uses RICO (Racketeer Influenced and Corrupt Organizations Act) against Antifa, some very prominent and powerful names could get caught up with Antifa and prosecuted.

    The money? That will be interesting. Wonder how anyone would be funding an organisation that doesn't exist.
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    #7565
    Tea drinker
    Registered Users Posts: 2,817 ✭✭✭Tea drinker


    Retr0gamer wrote: »
    I won't, because a group from the 1930's has nothing to do with what is happening now. As I said Antifa aren't left, they are anarchist. Pretty sure the Nazi's blamed a lot of their own crimes on antifa and communists to gain favour. Kind of parables with the far right at the moment blaming anarchist activities on anarchists.

    I've no love for people that would associate themselves with Antifa and their violent methods. But similarly any left or far left leaning person would not support these loonies either. They aren't left or far-left. They are just anarchists out for trouble. Unlike the right who are associated with far-right militant groups and support them.

    What's left though? What's alt-left? According to the last Irish election if you don't support unfettered abortion you aren't left. I think the pace of change is such that people don't even understand the groups they identify with, and if they do it's only for a short time until the next big manufactured crisis comes along.
    notobtuse wrote: »
    I found it interesting in an interview with Attorney General William Barr that I saw. The question was posed to him about what the Department of Justice was doing about Antifa in light of the recent videos put out by Project Veritas. His answer was that they’re going after the money. Interesting answer because if the DOJ uses RICO (Racketeer Influenced and Corrupt Organizations Act) against Antifa, some very prominent and powerful names could get caught up with Antifa and prosecuted.
    Trouble with that is these people become martyrs. Very easy for Hollywood and the News Entertainment channels to paint the oppressed struggling multi millionaire


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    #7566
    notobtuse
    Registered Users Posts: 5,424 ✭✭✭notobtuse


    Retr0gamer wrote: »
    The money? That will be interesting. Wonder how anyone would be funding an organisation that doesn't exist.
    Keep thinking that, and give my regards to the White Rabbit on your travels.

    You can ignorantly accuse me of "whataboutism," but what it really is involves identifying similar scenarios in order to see if it holds up when the shoe is on the other foot!



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    #7567
    Overheal
    Registered Users Posts: 83,534 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Yep Hillary in chains any day now. Just follow the white rabbit. Q


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    #7568
    Retr0gamer
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 51,488 CMod ✭✭✭✭Retr0gamer


    notobtuse wrote: »
    Keep thinking that, and give my regards to the White Rabbit on your travels.

    OBAMAGATE!
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    #7569
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    notobtuse wrote: »
    I found it interesting in an interview with Attorney General William Barr that I saw. The question was posed to him about what the Department of Justice was doing about Antifa in light of the recent videos put out by Project Veritas. His answer was that they’re going after the money. Interesting answer because if the DOJ uses RICO (Racketeer Influenced and Corrupt Organizations Act) against Antifa, some very prominent and powerful names could get caught up with Antifa and prosecuted.

    What powerful names do you think are funding the group with no hierarchy or organisation for that matter?


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    #7570
    RWCNT
    Registered Users Posts: 1,430 ✭✭✭RWCNT


    notobtuse wrote: »
    I found it interesting in an interview with Attorney General William Barr that I saw. The question was posed to him about what the Department of Justice was doing about Antifa in light of the recent videos put out by Project Veritas. His answer was that they’re going after the money. Interesting answer because if the DOJ uses RICO (Racketeer Influenced and Corrupt Organizations Act) against Antifa, some very prominent and powerful names could get caught up with Antifa and prosecuted.

    Surely nobody beyond the same idiots watching Rebel Media videos in their basements take Project Veritas seriously? It's the most hilariously obvious propaganda imaginable, complete with dodgy editing and spooky music.


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    #7571
    CtevenSrowder
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,909 ✭✭✭CtevenSrowder


    Overheal wrote: »
    Well I never said anarchists were particularly forward thinking people

    I thought you post was sarcasm, suggesting I thought both ideologies were similar no?


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    #7572
    CtevenSrowder
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,909 ✭✭✭CtevenSrowder


    Retr0gamer wrote: »
    The issue is that 'Antifa' is being applied to people that don't even associate themselves with Antifa. It's anyone that the GOP doesn't agree with. Do you really think the looters are Antifa and all below to some organisation that's a left wing conspiracy? Or are the just opportunists looking to gain from the violence. But then the GOP never let facts get in the way of votes and label them alt-left and Antifa. Most probably don't give a toss about Antifa or politics.

    Man pushed over by police? GOP says he must be an Antifa antagonist.

    People upset over police brutality and inherent racism within america? Label them Antifa and file them away with the left.

    I believe some of them are. No I don't think there is some conspiracy. Though like everything in AMerica the left want to play Antifa down because they make the left look bad and the right want to do the reverse.


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    #7573
    Retr0gamer
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    The left aren't playing them down. They are distancing themselves from them as Antifa violence has absolutely nothing to do with left ideologies or politics.

    And yes the right is trying to associate Antifa with the left to try and tarnish the publics view of the left and take the spotlight away from the GOP's questionable relationships with hate groups and disaster capitalists.
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    #7574
    da_miser
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    Retr0gamer wrote: »
    ......... rather than Antifa being any kind of group or organisation. But it's a handy catch all phrase to use and to lump the left wing in with to try and soil their name despite there being no connection between them.

    I sure Antifa/Dems don't need any help from the Republicans to sully their own name, they are doing a mighty fine job in the CHAZ and Dem controlled cities all over the states, the ones with the sky high crime rates.


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    #7575
    da_miser
    Registered Users Posts: 640 ✭✭✭da_miser


    Brian? wrote: »
    #antifa? How do we know Antifa were involved? Are we supposed to take the word of a guy who’s a known liar, forging a career out of taking on Antifa? I’d prefer a corroborating source that I could trust.

    Sources familiar with someone close to the president have hear a rumour that the president may be considering this that and the other.
    The above is a golden source as far as the left is concerned, but someone on the ground says it Antifa, cant possible be true, he is a Nazi.


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    #7576
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users Posts: 40,470 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    da_miser wrote: »
    Sources familiar with someone close to the president have hear a rumour that the president may be considering this that and the other.
    The above is a golden source as far as the left is concerned,     but someone on the ground says it Antifa, cant possible be true, he is a Nazi.

    are you having a stroke? you're making no sense at all.


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    #7577
    CtevenSrowder
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,909 ✭✭✭CtevenSrowder


    Retr0gamer wrote: »
    The left aren't playing them down. They are distancing themselves from them as Antifa violence has absolutely nothing to do with left ideologies or politics.

    And yes the right is trying to associate Antifa with the left to try and tarnish the publics view of the left and take the spotlight away from the GOP's questionable relationships with hate groups and disaster capitalists.

    Ah yes. The auld left good, right bad mantra. I'm just not bothered.


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    #7578
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    da_miser wrote: »
    Sources familiar with someone close to the president have hear a rumour that the president may be considering this that and the other.
    The above is a golden source as far as the left is concerned, but someone on the ground says it Antifa, cant possible be true, he is a Nazi.

    The FBI have stated that there's no indications of Antifa being involved but did cite concerns about far right groups.


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    #7579
    Brian?
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    Overheal wrote: »
    Well I never said anarchists were particularly forward thinking people

    Some are idiots, some are great people.

    they/them/theirs


    And so on, and so on …. - Slavoj Žižek




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    #7580
    Overheal
    Registered Users Posts: 83,534 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Brian? wrote: »
    Some are idiots, some are great people.

    Very fine people


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    #7581
    notobtuse
    Registered Users Posts: 5,424 ✭✭✭notobtuse


    Deleted User wrote: »
    What powerful names do you think are funding the group with no hierarchy or organisation for that matter?
    Attorney General William Barr said Thursday that the federal government has evidence that the radical left-wing antifa movement as well as other extremist groups have "hijacked" legitimate protests around the country to incite violence, and said certain "foreign actors" are seizing on the unrest to sow discord in the U.S.

    https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/ag-barr-evidence-antifa-foreign-actors-involved-sowing/story?id=71066996

    George Soros is the biggest name, but other big money actors that might be involved include Warren Buffett and Bill Gates.

    You can ignorantly accuse me of "whataboutism," but what it really is involves identifying similar scenarios in order to see if it holds up when the shoe is on the other foot!



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    #7582
    Brian?
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    CtevenSrowder wrote: »
    I thought you post was sarcasm, suggesting I thought both ideologies were similar no?

    You think fascism and anarchism are similar?

    I'm quite happy to educate you if you do.

    they/them/theirs


    And so on, and so on …. - Slavoj Žižek




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    #7583
    Brian?
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    da_miser wrote: »
    Sources familiar with someone close to the president have hear a rumour that the president may be considering this that and the other.
    The above is a golden source as far as the left is concerned, but someone on the ground says it Antifa, cant possible be true, he is a Nazi.

    Andy Ngo is a proven liar. He's a right wing grifter earning money from creating a bogeyman out of Antifa. No one is calling him a Nazi, so put out that Straw man.

    they/them/theirs


    And so on, and so on …. - Slavoj Žižek




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    #7584
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    notobtuse wrote: »
    https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/ag-barr-evidence-antifa-foreign-actors-involved-sowing/story?id=71066996

    George Soros is the biggest name, but other big money actors that might be involved include Warren Buffett and Bill Gates.

    I did expect you to say that, you're pushing nothing more than unfounded conspiracy theories at this point. The targeting of Soros is particularly reminiscent of the propaganda Orban pushes about him.


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    #7585
    Brian?
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 21,436 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    notobtuse wrote: »
    https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/ag-barr-evidence-antifa-foreign-actors-involved-sowing/story?id=71066996

    George Soros is the biggest name, but other big money actors that might be involved include Warren Buffett and Bill Gates.

    The holy trinity of conspiracy theory bogeyman.

    they/them/theirs


    And so on, and so on …. - Slavoj Žižek




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    #7586
    notobtuse
    Registered Users Posts: 5,424 ✭✭✭notobtuse


    Deleted User wrote: »
    I did expect you to say that, you're pushing nothing more than unfounded conspiracy theories at this point. The targeting of Soros is particularly reminiscent of the propaganda Orban pushes about him.
    Don't shoot the messenger.

    You can ignorantly accuse me of "whataboutism," but what it really is involves identifying similar scenarios in order to see if it holds up when the shoe is on the other foot!



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    #7587
    Brian?
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 21,436 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    notobtuse wrote: »
    https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/ag-barr-evidence-antifa-foreign-actors-involved-sowing/story?id=71066996

    George Soros is the biggest name, but other big money actors that might be involved include Warren Buffett and Bill Gates.

    Bill Barr says "foreign actors" are involved and you name 3 Americans. Which is it?

    they/them/theirs


    And so on, and so on …. - Slavoj Žižek




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    #7588
    CtevenSrowder
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,909 ✭✭✭CtevenSrowder


    Brian? wrote: »
    You think fascism and anarchism are similar?

    I'm quite happy to educate you if you do.

    Ha no I absolutely do no think that!


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    #7589
    da_miser
    Registered Users Posts: 640 ✭✭✭da_miser


    Overheal wrote: »
    Very fine people
    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/antifa-domestic-terrorists-us-security-agencies-homeland-security-fbi-a7927881.html

    Antifa from 2017, law is all over them , i expect we will see many in prison before the election


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    #7590
    Overheal
    Registered Users Posts: 83,534 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    notobtuse wrote: »
    https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/ag-barr-evidence-antifa-foreign-actors-involved-sowing/story?id=71066996

    George Soros is the biggest name, but other big money actors that might be involved include Warren Buffett and Bill Gates.

    Old news piece but you already knew that you obtuse fellow.

    FBI has, much more recently than Barrs wild accusations, publicly affirmed its bunk and they have no indications of Antifa activity in relation to any cases brought before the DOJ regarding the protests. So try another

    https://www.npr.org/2020/06/09/873278314/no-sign-of-antifa-so-far-in-justice-department-cases-brought-over-unrest


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    #7591
    Overheal
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    da_miser wrote: »
    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/antifa-domestic-terrorists-us-security-agencies-homeland-security-fbi-a7927881.html

    Antifa from 2017, law is all over them , i expect we will see many in prison before the election

    I don’t see the relevance. Antifa haven’t been involved in criminal conduct surrounding the protests, this according to the FBI, the very same FBI from your link that purportedly labeled a non-organization a terrorist organization.

    To date, Antifa is not designated a terror organization.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2020/06/11/no-trump-probably-cant-list-antifa-terrorist-group-heres-what-hes-really-doing/


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