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Antifa [Mod Warning on post #1 - updated 08/08/19]

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    #7802
    Tea drinker
    Registered Users Posts: 2,817 ✭✭✭Tea drinker


    riffmongous wrote: »
    A lot of bull**** in there

    First it started after a joint Kurdish-Antifa demo, against violence against women, second the Grey Wolves are more than just nationalists, ultra nationalists and neo-fascists is how they are usually described.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grey_Wolves_(organization)

    https://wien.orf.at/stories/3055142/
    It seems it's not possible to have a demonstration against violence against women without being Antifa / YPG or PKK or whatever?
    Aren't there many women's groups better positioned for this?


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    #7803
    Brian?
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 21,433 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    Tea drinker wrote: »
    It seems it's not possible to have a demonstration against violence against women without being Antifa / YPG or PKK or whatever?
    Aren't there many women's groups better positioned for this?

    So only women’s groups should protest women’s issues?

    they/them/theirs


    And so on, and so on …. - Slavoj Žižek




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    #7804
    Tea drinker
    Registered Users Posts: 2,817 ✭✭✭Tea drinker


    Brian? wrote: »
    So only women’s groups should protest women’s issues?
    Antifa is an aggressive violent group, I'm sure abused women love that image


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    #7805
    Overheal
    Registered Users Posts: 83,514 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Tea drinker wrote: »
    Antifa is an aggressive violent group, I'm sure abused women love that image

    So you speak for abused women now?


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    #7806
    Brian?
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 21,433 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    Tea drinker wrote: »
    Antifa is an aggressive violent group, I'm sure abused women love that image

    I’m pretty sure abused women have other things to worry about than people trying to support them.

    they/them/theirs


    And so on, and so on …. - Slavoj Žižek




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    #7807
    biko
    Registered Users Posts: 81,220 ✭✭✭✭biko


    Deport the grey wolves back to Turkey. They have no reason to be in Austria or Germany or anywhere else.
    The Gray Wolves gained notoriety as part of political violence in 1970s Turkey. They have been behind a number of massacres and killings both inside and outside Turkey's borders, as well as the 1981 assassination attempt against Pope John Paul II.
    https://www.dw.com/en/germany-seeks-to-ban-turkish-gray-wolves-far-right-symbols/a-45809792


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    #7808
    Bonniedog
    Registered Users Posts: 6,665 ✭✭✭Bonniedog


    Germany has imported over a million dodgepots who then disperse to spread their joy among the rest of us. Where would they start? Thought virus might have persuaded them to cop on given the success of closure of borders, but back to the same old.

    Weren't Grey Wolves implicated in plot to kill one of the popes? Antifa probably give them a dig out now!


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    #7809
    Brian?
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 21,433 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    Bonniedog wrote: »
    Germany has imported over a million dodgepots who then disperse to spread their joy among the rest of us. Where would they start? Thought virus might have persuaded them to cop on given the success of closure of borders, but back to the same old.

    Weren't Grey Wolves implicated in plot to kill one of the popes? Antifa probably give them a dig out now!

    The grey wolves attack Antifa. You laugh at it. Then you say Antifa shouldn't have been protesting in the first place. Now you're trying to conflate Antifa with the people who attacked them

    they/them/theirs


    And so on, and so on …. - Slavoj Žižek




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    #7810
    Brian?
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 21,433 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    Over 600 pages of outrage about Antifa being violent at protests and people claiming there weren't really any fascists to oppose anyway.

    Antifa get attacked by actual fascists and everyone is having a merry old time. No one seems to be really bothered at the violence commuter by actual fascists.

    they/them/theirs


    And so on, and so on …. - Slavoj Žižek




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    #7811
    Brian?
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 21,433 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    biko wrote: »
    Deport the grey wolves back to Turkey. They have no reason to be in Austria or Germany or anywhere else.

    https://www.dw.com/en/germany-seeks-to-ban-turkish-gray-wolves-far-right-symbols/a-45809792

    Unfortunately a lot of them are Austrian and German citizens so it's not a simple matter of reporting them. They need to be treated like the home grown fascists.

    they/them/theirs


    And so on, and so on …. - Slavoj Žižek




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    #7812
    Bonniedog
    Registered Users Posts: 6,665 ✭✭✭Bonniedog


    Brian? wrote: »
    The grey wolves attack Antifa. You laugh at it. Then you say Antifa shouldn't have been protesting in the first place. Now you're trying to conflate Antifa with the people who attacked them


    It's like when two gangs of football hooligans kick off.

    Do you have to pick a side?


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    #7813
    Bonniedog
    Registered Users Posts: 6,665 ✭✭✭Bonniedog


    Brian? wrote: »
    Unfortunately a lot of them are Austrian and German citizens so it's not a simple matter of reporting them. They need to be treated like the home grown fascists.

    People like you want open borders to allow these scum to enter European states.

    What did you expect? Same here. Import gangs of scum and you pay the price.


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    #7814
    TomTomTim
    Registered Users Posts: 2,841 ✭✭✭TomTomTim


    Bonniedog wrote: »
    People like you want open borders to allow these scum to enter European states.

    What did you expect? Same here. Import gangs of scum and you pay the price.

    People like Brian are masters at ignoring all the bad parts of their utopian vision

    “The man who lies to himself can be more easily offended than anyone else. You know it is sometimes very pleasant to take offense, isn't it? A man may know that nobody has insulted him, but that he has invented the insult for himself, has lied and exaggerated to make it picturesque, has caught at a word and made a mountain out of a molehill--he knows that himself, yet he will be the first to take offense, and will revel in his resentment till he feels great pleasure in it.”- ― Fyodor Dostoevsky, The Brothers Karamazov




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    #7815
    Brian?
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 21,433 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    Bonniedog wrote: »
    It's like when two gangs of football hooligans kick off.

    Do you have to pick a side?

    People are picking sides though. They're having a laugh at Antifa being on the receiving end.

    they/them/theirs


    And so on, and so on …. - Slavoj Žižek




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    #7816
    Brian?
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 21,433 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    Bonniedog wrote: »
    People like you want open borders to allow these scum to enter European states.

    What did you expect? Same here. Import gangs of scum and you pay the price.

    "People like me"? Who are they?

    I don't believe in open borders. Never have.

    they/them/theirs


    And so on, and so on …. - Slavoj Žižek




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    #7817
    Brian?
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 21,433 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    TomTomTim wrote: »
    People like Brian are masters at ignoring all the bad parts of their utopian vision

    Again: who are "People like Brian".

    they/them/theirs


    And so on, and so on …. - Slavoj Žižek




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    #7818
    Bonniedog
    Registered Users Posts: 6,665 ✭✭✭Bonniedog


    They are not popular. Speciality in States is bating the cr@p out of old people wearing MAGA hats. Not exactly the Battle of Stalingrad is it?

    I have no time for them and given that one of founders here was Pat Corcoran the child porn chap who was let off, I would be highly suspicious of their connections to the state.


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    #7819
    Danzy
    Registered Users Posts: 13,844 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    Brian? wrote: »
    The grey wolves attack Antifa. You laugh at it. Then you say Antifa shouldn't have been protesting in the first place. Now you're trying to conflate Antifa with the people who attacked them

    They are so alike in mentality that they can't work with each other or themselves for long.


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    #7820
    Brian?
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 21,433 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    Danzy wrote: »
    They are so alike in mentality that they can't work with each other or themselves for long.

    What??

    they/them/theirs


    And so on, and so on …. - Slavoj Žižek




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    #7821
    mynamejeff
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,315 ✭✭✭mynamejeff


    Brian? wrote: »
    You’re happy people you disagree with got beaten up. That’s pretty clear alright.

    Most of the criticism of Antifa is about them being violent, now they’re the victims of violence everyone is happy. So maybe the violence wasn’t the issue all along.

    the irony that you don't see that is exactly what Antifa is hilarious brian

    turns out real terrorists aren't very nice and don't live in their mummy's basements


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    #7822
    Danzy
    Registered Users Posts: 13,844 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    Brian? wrote: »
    What??

    2 groups of totalitarian pricks had a spat.

    Hopefully the next time Antifa and the Grey Wolves go at each other,it will he in a wood and they'll have guns.

    That would be a win for society.


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    #7823
    statesaver
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,084 ✭✭✭statesaver


    They really are fascists.

    https://twitter.com/johncardillo/status/1276859694867533825


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    #7824
    Brian?
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 21,433 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    mynamejeff wrote: »
    the irony that you don't see that is exactly what Antifa is hilarious brian

    turns out real terrorists aren't very nice and don't live in their mummy's basements

    Honestly I feel that there are some words and a lot of punctuation missing in that post. So I’m not entirely sure I get your point.

    they/them/theirs


    And so on, and so on …. - Slavoj Žižek




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    #7825
    mynamejeff
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,315 ✭✭✭mynamejeff


    Brian? wrote: »
    Honestly I feel that there are some words and a lot of punctuation missing in that post. So I’m not entirely sure I get your point.

    in that case go to post two up , it should increase your understanding of the issue at hand.

    ignoring the obvious is an awful debating tactic


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    #7826
    Brian?
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 21,433 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    Danzy wrote: »
    2 groups of totalitarian pricks had a spat.

    That is clearly not what happened. A bunch for f violent thugs attacked a peaceful protest.
    Hopefully the next time Antifa and the Grey Wolves go at each other,it will he in a wood and they'll have guns.

    That would be a win for society.

    Cheerleading violence. A new low.

    they/them/theirs


    And so on, and so on …. - Slavoj Žižek




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    #7827
    Brian?
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 21,433 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    mynamejeff wrote: »
    in that case go to post two up , it should increase your understanding of the issue at hand.

    ignoring the obvious is an awful debating tactic

    2 posts up is a random diatribe. So what?

    What I don’t understand is the point you’re trying to make, because you’re being purposely obtuse.

    they/them/theirs


    And so on, and so on …. - Slavoj Žižek




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    #7828
    Brian?
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 21,433 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    statesaver wrote: »
    They really are fascists.

    Ah now, I don’t think that’s fair. Jack is an awful human being who’s spouted some horrible crap, but I don’t think he’s a fascist.

    they/them/theirs


    And so on, and so on …. - Slavoj Žižek




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    #7829
    Danzy
    Registered Users Posts: 13,844 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    Brian? wrote: »
    That is clearly not what happened. A bunch for f violent thugs attacked a peaceful protest.



    Cheerleading violence. A new low.

    If Antifa and the Grey Wolves kill each other , everyone benefits because evil totalitarian pricks are dead. It's not ideal but what is.

    Long as they don't harm innocents.

    Not cheerleading it but I wouldn't stop it.


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    #7830
    nullzero
    Registered Users Posts: 17,098 ✭✭✭✭nullzero
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    Bonniedog wrote: »
    I have no time for them and given that one of founders here was Pat Corcoran the child porn chap who was let off, I would be highly suspicious of their connections to the state.

    I hadn't heard of this until I read it here. He was very active with the pro choice movement here as well, these people can hide in plain sight I suppose. I read an article online detailing similar issues in Antifa in Russia and the United States where leading figures in the organisation ended up being convicted paedophiles.
    Do we assume Antifa is some sort of hotbed of paedophilia? Hardly, but they have a pretty chequered reputation already and these cases certainly don't help with improving it.

    Glazers Out!



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    #7831
    Danzy
    Registered Users Posts: 13,844 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    nullzero wrote: »
    I hadn't heard of this until I read it here. He was very active with the pro choice movement here as well, these people can hide in plain sight I suppose. I read an article online detailing similar issues in Antifa in Russia and the United States where leading figures in the organisation ended up being convicted paedophiles.
    Do we assume Antifa is some sort of hotbed of paedophilia? Hardly, but they have a pretty chequered reputation already and these cases certainly don't help with improving it.

    Disturbed people and weirdos gravitate to groups like these, right or left.

    There is a fellowship of oddballs and a vehicle to make people suffer.


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