Antifa [Mod Warning on post #1 - updated 08/08/19]

Brian?

ExMachina1000 wrote: »

Taser, arrest, incarcerate

Throw them in proson with Mexican or black gangbangers. They will be crying for mammy by lunch time

So you don't want to shoot them anymore?

Overheal

nullzero wrote: »

I'm not shifting the goalposts at all.

I've seen you use it previously, you have almost 50,000 posts on this site, almost exclusively on topics related in some way to the one being discussed here.

You accused a poster of being a fascist and then demonstrated a complete lack of understanding of what that actually means.

If you mean to tell me that you have never used the word fascist more than once in your almost 50,000 posts on this site I'm afraid I'm not going to be able to take your word for it.

Of course I’ve used the word fascist, independent of this context. but you’re pretending I’ve accused others on the forum in some unqualified fashion of being fascist or displaying fascist thought. Supply the evidence please.

Overheal

Mr. Karate wrote: »

The elected Mayor wants the city to burn the ground. How dare Trump want to stop that. You're a fool if you don't think the Democrats aren't using these riots for election purposes either.

Where did the mayor suggest that

Overheal

ExMachina1000 wrote: »

Taser, arrest, incarcerate

Throw them in proson with Mexican or black gangbangers. They will be crying for mammy by lunch time

What a racist thing to say.

nullzero

Overheal wrote: »

Of course I’ve used the word fascist, independent of this context. but you’re pretending I’ve accused others on the forum in some unqualified fashion of being fascist or displaying fascist thought. Supply the evidence please.

I never accused you of that, I said you use the word fascist a lot. You accused somebody of being a fascist and then displayed an absolute inability to explain why they should be classified in that manner.

Overheal

nullzero wrote: »

I never accused you of that, I said you use the word fascist a lot. You accused somebody of being a fascist and then displayed an absolute inability to explain why they should be classified in that manner.

If you want to be so granular you’re again free to prove where I used it in an offensively incorrect manner, otherwise what you assert without evidence will remain dismissed without evidence.

Danzy

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Happily, although there's no real concern about the rise of communism in Europe or the US. Potential fascists in positions of power are rife on the other hand. Personally I'll go with a St Pauli Jersey, nice anti fascist German football club.

There are far more Communists or radical leftists than there are their fascist cousins.

Danzy

Danzy wrote: »

There are far more Communists or radical leftists than there are their fascist cousins.

In America? Right wing terrorism accounts for the majority of terror attacks in the US.

Danzy

[Deleted User] wrote: »

In America? Right wing terrorism accounts for the majority of terror attacks in the US.

Yes, in America. There are still multiples of radical left than there is fascists.

Danzy

Danzy wrote: »

Yes, in America. There are still multiples of radical left than there is fascists.

Care to back that up? Regardless, they also pretty clearly don't compare to the risk posed by the right wing in the US.

Mr. Karate

Overheal wrote: »

Where did the mayor suggest that

Gee... I don't know. Maybe her refusal to stop the rioting. Not wanting to work with Federal Officials to stop it.

nullzero

Overheal wrote: »

If you want to be so granular you’re again free to prove where I used it in an offensively incorrect manner, otherwise what you assert without evidence will remain dismissed without evidence.

Well you use it in an incorrect manner on this thread. We know this because when asked to define what made the person's statement uniquely fascist in nature you were unable to do so. You do crusade for left of centre values on this site regularly, and fascism is cited by you and other posters often, oftentimes in a completely incorrect manner.
But by all means cling by your finger nails to the moral high ground.

Eric Cartman

Deleted User wrote: »

In America? Right wing terrorism accounts for the majority of terror attacks in the US.

interestingly all cults, ecofascism (the extremist end of green politics see extinction rebellion etc..) , religious oriented attacks (e.g a pro life attack on an abortion clinic) , ethnonationalism (including groups like the black Hebrew Israelites) are all classified as right wing terrorism, its a very very broad church in the states.

which explains why the numbers stack so highly. there are years like 2016, 2001 etc.. where islamist terrorism was no.1

so its not just angry white guys against black people

nullzero

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Care to back that up? Regardless, they also pretty clearly don't compare to the risk posed by the right wing in the US.

Name one fascist organisation in America that has a large enough following to pose a threat to democracy.

ohnonotgmail

Eric Cartman wrote: »

interestingly all cults, ecofascism (the extremist end of green politics see extinction rebellion etc..) , religious oriented attacks (e.g a pro life attack on an abortion clinic) , ethnonationalism (including groups like the black Hebrew Israelites) are all classified as right wing terrorism, its a very very broad church in the states.

which explains why the numbers stack so highly. there are years like 2016, 2001 etc.. where islamist terrorism was no.1

so its not just angry white guys against black people

do you have a source for that info? the first in particular just doesn't ring true.

Brian?

Danzy wrote: »

Yes, in America. There are still multiples of radical left than there is fascists.

How many acts of terrorism have they committed in the last 20 years?

Eric Cartman

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

do you have a source for that info? the first in particular just doesn't ring true.

its well regarded, even from the wikipedia page on right wing terrorism :

Right-wing terrorism or far-right terrorism is terrorism that is motivated by a variety of different right-wing and far-right ideologies, most prominently by neo-Nazism, neo-fascism, ecofascism, white nationalism, white separatism, ethnonationalism, religious nationalism, and anti-government patriot/sovereign citizen beliefs and occasionally by anti-abortion and tax resistance.[1] Modern right-wing terrorism first emerged in North America during the Reconstruction era (1863–1877) and it later emerged in Western and Central Europe in the 1970s, and following the dissolution of the Soviet Union in 1991, it emerged in Eastern Europe.[2]

ohnonotgmail

Eric Cartman wrote: »

its well regarded, even from the wikipedia page on right wing terrorism :

i have no issue with describing ethno-nationalism and the people who bomb abortion clinics as right wing. but i see the definition of eco-fascism includes people like the unabomber and the definition includes

Zimmerman argues that while no ecofascist government has existed so far, "important aspects of it can be found in German National Socialism, one of whose central slogans was "Blood and Soil".[1]

so i have issue with describing that as right wing.
no mention of extinction rebellion as you stated.

briany

Eric Cartman wrote: »

ecofascism (the extremist end of green politics see extinction rebellion etc..)

Seems to me that the big gripe with Extinction Rebellion was that they blocked roads and made some people late for work.

Most protest is at a catch-22. Either they protest in a totally peaceful manner, which usually neuters their whole cause as no-one pays an iota of attention to them after a short while (see the 99 Percent rallies). Or else they get in society's face and are instantly branded troublemakers who are cynically using a cause to engage in nihilistic delinquency. It's really an elegant strategy for dealing with all protest and ensuring the system is unchallenged.

I wouldn't really call the Extinction Rebellion an extremist movement just because they blocked off some roads in the main, or a minority who went further (yes, minorities of movements shouldn't instantly become their public face). Essentially, the frustration that someone felt as a demonstration blocked their daily commute would pale into insignificance vs. the s*** they'd feel if there was massive crop failure due to global warming. Now that's real trouble.

Eric Cartman

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

i have no issue with describing ethno-nationalism and the people who bomb abortion clinics as right wing. but i see the definition of eco-fascism includes people like the unabomber and the definition includes



so i have issue with describing that as right wing.
no mention of extinction rebellion as you stated.

But do you agree that the term 'right wing terrorism' does apply to a very broad church of activities that by its grouping will always lead to it representing more 'incidents' by count.

Overheal

Mr. Karate wrote: »

Gee... I don't know. Maybe her refusal to stop the rioting. Not wanting to work with Federal Officials to stop it.

Who do you think you're talking about? :rolleyes:

Overheal

nullzero wrote: »

Well you use it in an incorrect manner on this thread.

Only in your unqualified opinion.

Mr. Karate

Overheal wrote: »

Who do you think you're talking about? :rolleyes:

Well Wheeler is pretty feminine. My point is still valid. They are letting these riots happen and continue.

ohnonotgmail

Eric Cartman wrote: »

But do you agree that the term 'right wing terrorism' does apply to a very broad church of activities that by its grouping will always lead to it representing more 'incidents' by count.

Looking at the definition i cannot see anything that could be described as anything other than right wing. Unless you think they are not right-wing?

Right-wing terrorism or far-right terrorism is terrorism that is motivated by a variety of different right-wing and far-right ideologies, most prominently by neo-Nazism, neo-fascism, ecofascism, white nationalism, white separatism, ethnonationalism, religious nationalism, and anti-government patriot/sovereign citizen beliefs and occasionally by anti-abortion and tax resistance.

the fact is that left wing terrorism is practically non-existent in the US. the same cannot be said for right-wing terrorism

RWCNT

Eric Cartman wrote: »

ecofascism (the extremist end of green politics see extinction rebellion etc..)

Extinction Rebellion are not ecofascist, utterly ridiculous statement.

ohnonotgmail

RWCNT wrote: »

Extinction Rebellion are not ecofascist, utterly ridiculous statement.

yeah that was entirely disingenuous bordering on the dishonest.

Eric Cartman

RWCNT wrote: »

Extinction Rebellion are not ecofascist, utterly ridiculous statement.

do they want to dictate what people can or cannot do taking the health of the environment as priority over individual rights - yes, ecofascism.

briany

Eric Cartman wrote: »

do they want to dictate what people can or cannot do taking the health of the environment as priority over individual rights - yes, ecofascism.

Those monsters - calling for a worldwide reduction in carbon emissions before the planet is rendered uninhabitable for human beings. Fascism, I tell ya!

If ever I decide to go driving with 6 pints in me, and gard stops me, maybe I could tell him that he, as an instrument of the state, is dictating to me what I can or cannot do, and is prioritising the health of other road users over my individual rights and he is therefore a moto-fascist. Checkmate, gard.

nullzero

Overheal wrote: »

Only in your unqualified opinion.

My unqualified opinion?

You couldn't explain why you labelled another person a fascist. To me that's an insult, and a serious one at that, and you couldn't rationalise why you used it against that person.

My opinion has nothing to do with it, you made a fool of yourself by virtue of your inability to explain why you made that statement.

RWCNT

Eric Cartman wrote: »

do they want to dictate what people can or cannot do taking the health of the environment as priority over individual rights - yes, ecofascism.

Oxford English Dictionary defines eco-fascism is “Radical environmentalism of a type perceived as excessive, intolerant, or authoritarian”.

One of their core demands is for a citizens assembly on climate change (https://extinctionrebellion.uk/the-truth/demands/), allowing citizens to take the lead rather than politicians - therefore losing the "authoritarian" piece of the puzzle from the definition of eco-fascism.

The current government dictates what people can and cannot do taking the health of the environment as priority over individual rights with pollution and littering laws. Are they also eco-fascist?