Antifa [Mod Warning on post #1 - updated 08/08/19]

_blaaz

_blaaz wrote:

He is still unqualified?,and as such shouldnt be working as journalist....like i said im.sure hes good...but if unqualified shouldnt be doing it

I have a journalism degree. It's not worth anything.

On the job experience is better than academic qualifications.

You keep using the doctor analogy. This is false. You need an innate skill to be a journalist. Those skills are not always necessarily taught. They come naturally. To be a doctor, you need knowledge to diagnose and to treat.

To be a journalist, you need to report news. No bias or opinion is needed. In fact, there is a reasonable point to be made that someone who hasn't gone through the indoctrination of modern colleges is more likely to be a better journalist.

Having the integrity to be honest, having the ability to write with a good grasp of the language you write in and the bravery to not be afraid to go against the mainstream narrative is more than enough "qualification".

If you can't see the difference, then it says more about you.

This has been explained. Please stop repeating the same ****.

peddlelies

Good. Now let's see what their cowardly mayor does

"Portland’s police chief calls for anti-mask law, different approach for violent protesters"

www.oregonlive.com/crime/2019/07/portlands-police-chief-calls-for-anti-mask-laws-different-approach-for-violent-protesters.html

Blueshoe

Who cares if he is "qualified" or not. He got paid for his articles and Antifa cowards beat him up.

Everything else is shîte talk

20Cent

peddlelies wrote: »

Good. Now let's see what their cowardly mayor does

"Portland’s police chief calls for anti-mask law, different approach for violent protesters"

www.oregonlive.com/crime/2019/07/portlands-police-chief-calls-for-anti-mask-laws-different-approach-for-violent-protesters.html

What the freedom brigade want bandannas banned.
Imagine my shock.

JohnMc1

peddlelies wrote: »

Good. Now let's see what their cowardly mayor does

"Portland’s police chief calls for anti-mask law, different approach for violent protesters"

www.oregonlive.com/crime/2019/07/portlands-police-chief-calls-for-anti-mask-laws-different-approach-for-violent-protesters.html

The Democrats are operating under the stupid assumption that letting these thugs assault people and trash cities will them the election next year [notice how not one candidate that is running for President has condemned Antifa?] but all there doing is turning their own voters against them since its cities on Democrat lockdown that Antifa are wrecking.

Boxing.Fan

JohnMc1 wrote: »

The Democrats are operating under the stupid assumption that letting these thugs assault people and trash cities will them the election next year [notice how not one candidate that is running for President has condemned Antifa?] but all there doing is turning their own voters against them since its cities on Democrat lockdown that Antifa are wrecking.

Surely Trump must be a certainty for a 2nd term at this stage.

20Cent

JohnMc1 wrote: »

The Democrats are operating under the stupid assumption that letting these thugs assault people and trash cities will them the election next year [notice how not one candidate that is running for President has condemned Antifa?] but all there do2ing is turning their own voters against them since its cities on Democrat lockdown that Antifa are wrecking.

Conspiracy theory forum is that way

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Guy got a box and a kick few drinks thrown over him.


Average night out in Dublin.

JohnMc1

Boxing.Fan wrote: »

Surely Trump must be a certainty for a 2nd term at this stage.

With a soaring economy and an unemployment rate that hasn't been as low since the 60s he has to be.

20Cent

Journalist Tommy Robinson heading back to prison again.

Woodsie1

20Cent wrote: »

Journalist Tommy Robinson heading back to prison again.

Thats got what exactly to do with antifa scum?

20Cent

Aaannnnnnnd of course the pre assault footage comes out. NGO spent hours going around annoying people trying to start a scrap before the incident. Even the cops were pissed off with him whinging. If he went to the Vatican and went around sticking his camera in people's faces and whinging at them the Pope would have lost patience and slapped him.

Woodsie1

20Cent wrote: »

Aaannnnnnnd of course the pre assault footage comes out. NGO spent hours going around annoying people trying to start a scrap before the incident. Even the cops were pissed off with him whinging. If he went to the Vatican and went around sticking his camera in people's faces and whinging at them the Pope would have lost patience and slapped him.

Sure go on...share it with us all to see.

20Cent

20Cent wrote: »

Journalist Tommy Robinson heading back to prison again.

Tommy is less a journalist and more an activist, much like your average CNN journalist activist.

20Cent

20Cent wrote:

Average night out in Dublin.

With your demeanor, I'm not surprised you think that's an average night out.

Funnily enough, I can go out without a few digs and drinks thrown at me.

Kimsang

peddlelies wrote: »

Good. Now let's see what their cowardly mayor does

"Portland’s police chief calls for anti-mask law, different approach for violent protesters"

www.oregonlive.com/crime/2019/07/portlands-police-chief-calls-for-anti-mask-laws-different-approach-for-violent-protesters.html

The mayor is the problem. After the Ngo events, he issued a memo to all police with the heading 'thank you' for their good work. The guy is a joke.

Kimsang

This is how parts of the left attempts to spin this story. Dirty, dirty, morally corrupt scumbags.

"Don't worry about Ngo. He's been discharged from hospital, with a big fat GoFundMe of around $160,000 and any number of armed, right-wing groups offering to act as “bodyguards”."
https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/antifa-nazi-andy-ngo-quilette-portland-fascism-antifascism-far-right-gofundme-a8984256.html
(left-of-centre independent.co.uk)

"No, Andy Ngo Wasn’t Pelted with “Concrete Milkshakes” by AntiFa"
https://medium.com/@BJ_Murphy/no-andy-ngo-wasnt-pelted-with-concrete-milkshakes-by-antifa-87a24ce4012a
(left-of-centre medium.com)

"Violence is completely wrong, and I find it sad and weak to allow a sniveling weasel like Andy Ngo to get under one's skin like this, but I'm also not going to pretend that this wasn't Ngo's goal from the start"
https://twitter.com/cmclymer/status/1145220196539539457
Charlotte Clymer, a press secretary at the LGBTQ advocacy group Human Rights Campaign

"Andy Ngo is someone who antagonizes those he knows will react in a disproportionate way and this exact outcome was inevitable. Everyone knew it.
Those who assaulted him, however, are the ones at fault here."
https://twitter.com/a_picazo/status/1145076973842116609
athlete, writer, researcher, politico
Calgary, Alberta, Canada

"Proud Boys-friendly provocateur Andy Ngo went to a Proud Boys rally in Portland to film/harass people protesting the hate group. After repeatedly being told to back off & stop sticking a camera in their faces, things escalated and Ngo capitalized."
https://twitter.com/VicBergerIV/status/1147259553098022912
Founder of BernardMedia

"Actual milkshakes were used by leftwing protesters. A videographer and editor for the rightwing magazine Quillette, Andy Ngo, had one dumped on him early in the day"
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/jun/30/portland-police-cement-milkshake-leftwing-rightwing-protests
The Guardian

Outlaw Pete

"Liberals" were more outraged at Jim Acosta being asked to sit down than they are about a Ngo getting kicked and punched.

Kimsang

"Actual milkshakes were used by leftwing protesters. A videographer and editor for the rightwing magazine Quillette, Andy Ngo, had one dumped on him early in the day"
The Guardian

If the writer of this article, Jason Wilson, were a conservative- he would be called a troll, a conspiracy nut, far right and a nazi.
But he writes for the Guardian.

Why do citations need to be checked these days? Most of the citations for people being labelled 'far-right' on wikipedia come back to someone like Wilson. Its scumbaggery. An example would be what Stephen is being called in the first page of the gemma thread. Scumbaggery. The citation clearly leads back to a post where he is speaking tongue-in-cheek, and the context clearly suggest otherwise. Wikipedia citations are all the same these days.

These articles penned by him all engage in blatant 'whataboutery', mostly just smearing people with names and accusations, finding people guilty by the association, without ever citing facts, events, statistics.

• A prominent anti-Islamic extremist whose organisation is being investigated in Austria over links to the Christchurch shooting suspect has apparently been permanently excluded from entering the UK.
• Austrian far-right leader searched on suspicion of forming terrorist group with Christchurch shooter
• Christian rightwingers warn abortion fight could spark US civil war
• Christchurch shooter's links to Austrian far right 'more extensive than thought'
• 'Senseless hate': the far right's deep roots in southern California
• Intelligence report appeared to endorse view leftwing protesters were 'terrorists'
• Eco-fascism is undergoing a revival in the fetid culture of the extreme right...Unfortunately for Conway, Nazism and a twisted version of ecological thinking are joined in the minds of a share of rightwing extremists.

https://www.theguardian.com/profile/wilson-jason

He just moves from one sensational story to the next drumming the beat of nazis and extremism and far-right, leaving a wake of innocent people behind him- and it gets eaten up by the left. When he is living in Portland one of the most liberal cities in the North West.
The right calls out its nuts, the left hails their as heros

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Odhinn

Kimsang wrote: »

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These articles penned by him all engage in blatant 'whataboutery', mostly just smearing people with names and accusations, finding people guilty by the association, without ever citing facts, events, statistic


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You're completely misscharacterising those articles. Eg


"A prominent anti-Islamic extremist whose organisation is being investigated in Austria over links to the Christchurch shooting suspect has apparently been permanently excluded from entering the UK.


Martin Sellner, the Austrian leader of Generation Identity, was being excluded on security grounds and posed a serious threat to the UK’s interests of preventing social harm and countering extremism, according to a Home Office letter which has been posted online."
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/jun/26/anti-muslim-extremist-martin-sellner-permanently-excluded-from-entering-uk


It speaks of either highly selective reading or outright dishonesty on your part.

Kimsang

Odhinn wrote: »

You're completely misscharacterising those articles.

It speaks of either highly selective reading or outright dishonesty on your part.

You're right, there's certainly some merit to some of what he's saying. But its so riddled with inaccuracies and blatant activism, I didn't care to check them all. I only listed off headings from one page of four of his articles. The same can be said for most conspiracy nuts.

What do you think of his article about what happened in Portland on the 30h, do you think it was fair not to use the word Antifa once in that article?

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/jun/30/portland-police-cement-milkshake-leftwing-rightwing-protests

Here are some more of his article's headings:

• Islamophobia is practically enshrined as public policy in Australia
• Neo-Nazi activist behind racist robocalls linked to threats of Idaho newspaper
• 'Liberty or Death': rightwing protesters march against alleged leftwing violence in Seattle
• Portland man says he was attacked by man linked to far-right Senate candidate
• Doxxing, assault, death threats: the new dangers facing US journalists covering extremism-hypocrite

Odhinn

Kimsang wrote: »

You're right, there's certainly some merit to some of what he's saying. But its so riddled with inaccuracies and blatant activism, I didn't care to check them all. ..............

You don't seem to have checked any of them.



I've no idea what your problem was with this -

Austrian far-right leader searched on suspicion of forming terrorist group with Christchurch shooter


The Austrian identitarian leader, Martin Sellner, has been subjected to further searches by Austrian police in connection with the Christchurch shooter, according to Austrian media reports and videos on Sellner’s own YouTube channel.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/jun/26/austrian-far-right-leader-searched-on-suspicion-of-forming-terrorist-group-with-christchurch-shooter


or this.

Prominent figures on the Christian right in the US ranging from religious magazines to authors to elected politicians have warned that the fight over abortion rights could lead to a new civil war.

Republican lawmakers such as Ohio’s Candice Keller have openly speculated that the divide over abortion rights might lead to civil war. Last month, Keller drew explicit comparisons with the antebellum situation over slavery, telling the Guardian: “Whether this ever leads to a tragedy, like it did before with our civil war, I can’t say.”

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/may/26/abortion-ban-rightwing-christian-figures-civil-war-predictions

Contacts between Austrian Identitarian leader, Martin Sellner, and the Christchurch shooter were more extensive than previously acknowledged, according to European media reports.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/may/16/christchurch-shooters-links-to-austrian-far-right-more-extensive-than-thought

It turns out by Sellners own admission they did communicate on a number of occassions as opposed to just the once.

'Senseless hate': the far right's deep roots in southern California

And lo and behold, the far right have deep roots in southern california...

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/may/05/far-right-southern-california-history

Intelligence report appeared to endorse view leftwing protesters were 'terrorists'

and - surprise surprise

An intelligence report produced for law enforcement agencies in the months before the Unite the Right rally in Charlottesville, in which a neo-Nazi killed one protester by driving a car into a crowd, appeared to endorse a view that leftist demonstrators were “terrorists” and at least equally as responsible for street violence as white nationalists, the Guardian can reveal.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/apr/01/intelligence-law-enforcement-report-leftwing-terrorists-charlottesville


Absolutely every example you gave was incorrect and misleading.

Kimsang

You can concentrate on individual facts of individual cases, it does not detract from the fact that his writings are riddled with activism.
You seem to completely ignore this.

Bias would be an understatement.


To remind you in context of all the stories:

• A prominent anti-Islamic extremist whose organisation is being investigated in Austria over links to the Christchurch shooting suspect has apparently been permanently excluded from entering the UK.
• Austrian far-right leader searched on suspicion of forming terrorist group with Christchurch shooter
• Christian rightwingers warn abortion fight could spark US civil war
• Christchurch shooter's links to Austrian far right 'more extensive than thought'
• 'Senseless hate': the far right's deep roots in southern California
• Intelligence report appeared to endorse view leftwing protesters were 'terrorists'
• Eco-fascism is undergoing a revival in the fetid culture of the extreme right...Unfortunately for Conway, Nazism and a twisted version of ecological thinking are joined in the minds of a share of rightwing extremists.
• Islamophobia is practically enshrined as public policy in Australia
• Neo-Nazi activist behind racist robocalls linked to threats of Idaho newspaper
• 'Liberty or Death': rightwing protesters march against alleged leftwing violence in Seattle
• Portland man says he was attacked by man linked to far-right Senate candidate
• Doxxing, assault, death threats: the new dangers facing US journalists covering extremism-hypocrite

He reports on an investigations in the far right, but says "Intelligence report appeared to endorse view leftwing protesters were 'terrorists". Imagine the headline if the report found rightwing protestors were 'terrorists'! ha , go away with yourself!!!

Kimsang wrote: »

He just moves from one sensational story to the next drumming the beat of nazis and extremism and far-right, leaving a wake of innocent people behind him- and it gets eaten up by the left. When he is living in Portland one of the most liberal cities in the North West.
The right calls out its nuts, the left hails their as heros

So while I admit his arguments sometimes have merit, and are worth reporting, largely he is just drumming up hate to sell a rag. I stand by my sentiment that if he was on the right, he would be rightfully called out for this ****.

BloodBath

Doxxing, assault, death threats: the new dangers facing US journalists covering extremism-hypocrite

Funny considering how the left wing MSM tried to paint a schoolboy as a Nazi for giggling nervously at a native American playing a drum and chanting in front of him. Wearing a MAGA hat is enough to labelled a Nazi and receive death threats by the left.

CNN also threatened to dox another kid for making that Trump beating a CNN logo meme from a WWE clip. A child doxxed for making a harmless meme?

The MSM is a joke.

Pa ElGrande

For anyone interested ANTIFA emerged sometime after the third world congress of the communist international organised by the German KPD (the largest Communist party outside Russia). For the communists in Germany(in German), “anti-fascism” merely meant “anti-capitalism.”. A description of ANTIFA on the German federal office for the protection of the Constitution (i.e. Intelligence services) website notes that the organization still holds this same basic definition of capitalism as being “fascism.”

via google translate.


To put them in context of the USA, their antagonism is encouraging a counter reaction to them.

The problem here is there really are not any fascists in America anymore. Both the FBI and the Anti-Defamation League (ADL), as well as the SPLC (Southern Poverty Law Center), estimate 3000-8000 Klan members exist as of 2016. In total, there are an estimated 20,000 to 50,000 active fascists (white supremacists) in the United States--- out of over 300,000,000 people. That's a whopping 0.006% of the population.

For perspective, 0.30% of the population is estimated to identify as transgender. That's a difference of almost 200% or two transgenders per known fascist. Not exactly what I would call an overwhelming force of Nazis marching across the country in black shirts and jackboots.

Oh, that's right, Antifa’s doing that!

The numbers of white supremacists are starting to grow again as a response to Antifa though because they will invariably create the very thing they claim to be against. Extremism always creates counter extremism. Another one of those many paradoxical issues with this group. During the course of their fight against fascism, they create more fascists.

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JohnMc1

BloodBath wrote: »

Funny considering how the left wing MSM tried to paint a schoolboy as a Nazi for giggling nervously at a native American playing a drum and chanting in front of him. Wearing a MAGA hat is enough to labelled a Nazi and receive death threats by the left.

CNN also threatened to dox another kid for making that Trump beating a CNN logo meme from a WWE clip. A child doxxed for making a harmless meme?

The MSM is a joke.

And that 9 year old girl that was parodying Alexandria Ocasio Cortez was doxxed and she her family have received the death threats as well. So much for the Left's compassion and "thinking of the children."

Billy Mays

I only became a white supremacist cos Antifa made me

Billy Mays

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Billy Mays

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Billy Mays

JohnMc1 wrote: »

BloodBath wrote: »

Funny considering how the left wing MSM tried to paint a schoolboy as a Nazi for giggling nervously at a native American playing a drum and chanting in front of him. Wearing a MAGA hat is enough to labelled a Nazi and receive death threats by the left.

CNN also threatened to dox another kid for making that Trump beating a CNN logo meme from a WWE clip. A child doxxed for making a harmless meme?

The MSM is a joke.

And that 9 year old girl that was parodying Alexandria Ocasio Cortez was doxxed and she her family have received the death threats as well. So much for the Left's compassion and "thinking of the children."

Her parents are a disgrace.

The doxxing is a poxy thing to do but anyone who uses their 9 year old child like that when they know the sort of f*ckwits that populate Twitter should be ashamed of themselves.

And yes, I would say the same thing if someone used their 9 year old kid to parody Trump or any right wing politician

20Cent

"The Left" 100% responsible for everything collectively.

Right wing guy shoots up a Mosque, publishes a manifesto declaring his right wing allegiances, even writes them on his gun. Lone wolf nothing to see here.