Antifa [Mod Warning on post #1 - updated 08/08/19]

20Cent

Deleted User wrote: »

He named PewDiePie. Is PewDiePie a Nazi?

Excuse it all you like so.

Kimsang

20Cent wrote: »

Context is everything. Why do you think he used it that time?

I'm sure there were some idiots out there who were cheering him on doing it. But those scumbags are in a complete minority, how many people do you seriously think this is?

Guilt by association quickly engulfs just about everyone very quickly, and to remove culture from our society because of a small amount of scum embrace it, is spiteful,unnecessary,deluded,backwards and nonsensical.

20Cent

20Cent wrote:

Excuse it all you like so.

What have I excused? If you are accusing me of excusing mass murder then you really want to have a word with yourself you lunatic.

I just said that antifa are horrific violent people who you will gladly align yourself with.

I hate them. For clarity, I also hate people who commit mass murder.

Just because people hate the violent group you cheerlead for, doesn't mean we like other violent people.

It's possible just to think that antifa and people who support them are tits.

Blueshoe

Sweetemotion wrote: »

Here is a bunch of your girlfriends wearing a hijab.

<SNIP>



The hijab is an important symbol of islam. Have a look at this.
https://www.thereligionofpeace.com/attacks/attacks.aspx?Yr=Last30

Poetry in motion

20Cent

Kimsang wrote: »

I'm sure there were some idiots out there who were cheering him on doing it. But those scumbags are in a complete minority, how many people do you seriously think this is?

Guilt by association quickly engulfs just about everyone very quickly, and to remove culture from our society because of a small amount of scum embrace it, is spiteful,unnecessary,deluded,backwards and nonsensical.

Do you think there is a great replacement happening?

20Cent

People are churning out hours and hours of content saying white people are being replaced by "globalists" (the Jews). Not surprising that others radicalised by this will take violent action like in Christchurch.

20Cent

20Cent wrote:

People are churning out hours and hours of content saying white people are being replaced by "globalists" (the Jews). Not surprising that others radicalised by this will take violent action like in Christchurch.

So the Christchurch murderer killed Muslims in a mosque because he listened to content saying that Jews are taking over?

20Cent

Deleted User wrote: »

So the Christchurch murderer killed Muslims in a mosque because he listened to content saying that Jews are taking over?

That Muslims are taking over.

Pa ElGrande

20Cent wrote: »

People are churning out hours and hours of content saying white people are being replaced by "globalists" (the Jews). Not surprising that others radicalised by this will take violent action like in Christchurch.

You may be onto something there since many parents across the country are using Jewish names. :eek:


Most shocking of all last year is the unexplained rise of Seán which this could be a precursor to a revival of a new cultural invasion. The name incidentally is a local adoption of the Norman name "Jean" as there is no J in Gaelic.

20Cent

Folks if you are not familiar with the topic being discussed maybe best sit it out to save from coming across as a total plonker.
I'm referring to a thing called the great replacement which is a conspiracy theory spread by these so called right wing "journalists" ie grifters. Have a read about it before making the smart comments.

Eric Cartman

Pa ElGrande wrote: »

You may be onto something there since many parents across the country are using Jewish names. :eek:


Most shocking of all last year is the unexplained rise of Seán which this could be a precursor to a revival of a new cultural invasion. The name incidentally is a local adoption of the Norman name "Jean" as there is no J in Gaelic.

I see Jayden and Sienna on the list, i can already picture the tracksuits and double digit previous convictions.

Seanachai

20Cent wrote: »

Do you think there is a great replacement happening?

Not a great replacement overall, a gradual significant change in the demographics of the working classes. I grew up working for wealthy Irish people and for weekend work recently. They are very enthusiastic about immigration, it's a win-win situation for them, they're not exactly fond of the Irish working class either. I know that immigration is needed, just not on the scale that the UK and Ireland have seen recently.

Pa ElGrande

20Cent wrote: »

Folks if you are not familiar with the topic being discussed maybe best sit it out to save from coming across as a total plonker.
I'm referring to a thing called the great replacement which is a conspiracy theory spread by these so called right wing "journalists" ie grifters. Have a read about it before making the smart comments.

Your use of the terms "conspiracy theory", "racist", "alt-right" does not facilitate discussion on the topic of mass immigration. It is being used by you and others in the context of denigrating another persons views and shutting down any discussion.


There is a reason people in France and world wide have latched onto Jean Raspail’s novel - The Camp of the Saints and built the great replacement theory around it.


One income group in particular is having to deal with the day to day reality of mass immigration in competition for employment, accommodation and welfare. This group is not mobile, they can't easily up sticks and move and over a short period of time have to deal with rapid change in their neighbourhoods, being surrounded by a culture that is alien to them and no way to relieve their discomfort.


This group is being told to shut up their opinions are not politically correct and not worthy of discussion by people with higher incomes and political power who live in separate communities that don't have to deal with the rapid change and have access to the resources to band together to isolate themselves from the invading culture while benefiting economically from the availability of cheap unskilled labour.


Immigration is not only factor behind this groups malcontent, issues of upward mobility, security, debt, taxation and access to resources also play into this feeling on unease. In previous generations we labelled them the working class, however modern left wing politics has abandoned this group and gone down the rat hole identity politics of diversity and inclusion intersectionality (i.e. the hierarchy of victimhood)


Is it any wonder that the working class vote in the US has switched to Trump? In the UK the vote for Brexit is split along income lines with those on lower income voting to leave.

Harvey Weinstein

20Cent wrote: »

Folks if you are not familiar with the topic being discussed maybe best sit it out to save from coming across as a total plonker.
I'm referring to a thing called the great replacement which is a conspiracy theory spread by these so called right wing "journalists" ie grifters. Have a read about it before making the smart comments.

Birthrate statistics and trends suggest that in the long term a replacement is indeed happening.

Outlaw Pete

Pa ElGrande wrote: »

Is it any wonder that the working class vote in the US has switched to Trump?

Indeed, and these two tweets about sum up why conservatives are sick of liberals sneer at them and also why more and more are leaning towards voting conservative that perhaps never would have before:

https://twitter.com/JanetSElliott/status/1146485933467983872

https://twitter.com/RealCandaceO/status/1143150022302867456

Pa ElGrande

FYI - Here is the book Camp of the Saints (PDF). It is a translation and the formatting is poor.

The idea taken from the book is that the inability of the "Western conscience" to erect border walls, to “put her foot down,” to turn people away, will lead to the undoing of Western civilization itself.


Immigration -- Issue of the Century
Pat Buchanan

How many of these billions dream of coming to Europe? When and why will they stop coming? How many can Europe absorb without going bankrupt and changing the continent forever?

Does Europe have the toughness to seal its borders and send back the intruders? Or is Europe so morally paralyzed it has become what Jean Raspail mocked in "The Camp of the Saints"?

The blazing issue in Britain and France is the thousands of Arab and African asylum seekers clustered about Calais to traverse the Eurotunnel to Dover. The Brits are on fire. Millions want out of the EU. They want to remain who they are.

Each week we read of boats sinking in the Med with hundreds of refugees drowning. Yet many, many more make it to the Greek and Italian islands, and thence north to Germany and Scandinavia and the welfare states of Western Europe. Once they step onto EU soil, they are in.



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The Camp of the Saints
Paul Craig Roberts

Jean Raspail’s novel is unfolding before our eyes.

The Russians and Chinese do not need to do anything about Europe and the US. The West is self-destructing at a rapid pace.

FRENCH GENERALS ACCUSE MACRON OF “TREASON” OVER UN MIGRATION PACT

Open letter says French citizens have another reason to revolt

A group of French military generals have written an open letter to Emmanuel Macron accusing the French President of committing “treason” by signing the UN migration pact.

The pact, which was signed by 164 nations on Monday, including France, is not legally binding but greases the skids for unlimited migration to be treated as a human right and criticism of mass migration to be treated as hate speech.

A letter written by General Antoine Martinez and signed by ten other generals, an admiral and a colonel, as well as former French Minister of Defense Charles Millon, warns Macron that the move strips France of more sovereignty and provides an additional reason for “an already battered people” to “revolt”.

The letter accuses Macron of being “guilty of a denial of democracy or treason against the nation” for signing the pact without putting it to the people.

“The French state is late in coming to realize the impossibility of integrating too many people, in addition to totally different cultures, who have regrouped in the last forty years in areas that no longer submit to the laws of the Republic,” states the letter, adding that mass immigration is erasing France’s “civilizational landmarks”.


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Libyan Blowback

Ralph Raico (April 30, 2015)

Until 2011, Libya was ruled by the erratic strongman, Muammar Gaddafi. Gaddafi displeased the western powers, principally Britain, France, and the United States. They supported anti-Gaddafi rebels, going so far as to bomb and devastate his forces. In October, he was captured and executed.

The US Secretary of State at the time, Hillary Clinton, has had an interview taped, available online, where she happily laughs, “We came, we saw, he died.”

The downfall of Gaddafi’s tight authoritarian regime was the necessary condition for the massive refugee crisis we see today.

For many of us, this crisis will bring to mind the book of the French writer, Jean Raspail, . It was published in 1973, the first edition in English appeared two years later. All the Great and the Good savaged it as hateful, xenophobic, and foolishly paranoid. As you know, our own Charles Burris has stated, “It is unquestionably the most powerful novel I have ever read.”

Raspail was a prominent figure in French literary circles, a contrarian in that milieu, who proudly proclaimed himself “a man of the right.” What he elegantly describes in his demographic dystopia is the end of the West.

A huge flotilla is approaching the French Mediterranean coast, with a million of the huddled masses from the slums of Calcutta, seeking a better life for themselves in the affluent West. Half-hearted attempts to block their passage are denounced by the Great and the Good as unchristian, sheer hateful racism.

The flotilla lands, and in the novel’s central metaphor, the Ganges comes to Provence.

Provence, a land so pleasant and attractive that the Romans, who covered it with villas and towns, roads and aqueducts, called it simply the Province.

The current inheritors of this ancient terrain are abashed, guilt-ridden over their affluence. The envious invaders, on the other hand, are adamant and single-minded. Aided by a fifth column, the multitude of Third-Worlders already present as servants and laborers, they take over the homes and estates of the French, who flounder and retreat before them.

Now the floodgates open, and masses of the underprivileged and oppressed stream into France and then across western Europe. The Europeans are psychologically defenseless. Their priests and pastors, their elite academics and media spokesmen, all the Great and the Good have convinced them. They know themselves to be guilty of centuries of ruthless imperialism and racist oppression, of having wreaked death and destruction throughout the world. The white race is indeed, what Susan Sontag called it: “the cancer of humanity.”


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20Cent

This is the kind of rubbish these right wing grifters are peddling. Inspiration for future attacks just like in Christchurch.

Eric Cartman

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

Indeed, and these two tweets about sum up why conservatives are sick of liberals sneer at them and also why more and more are leaning towards voting conservative that perhaps never would have.

The democrats are going to be real surprised next november when they see how the black vote gets a bit of a conservative upswing, not a majority but theres a hell of a lot of legal latinos, cubans and black people are really getting onboard with donald trump and sick of illegals working for half nothing.

branie2

Waste of eggs, if you ask me

notobtuse

Police Chief Danielle Outlaw, in a press conference last week regarding the Antifa violence said: “If officers are outnumbered when violence breaks out, though, it doesn’t make sense to send in officers who could be injured.” Really? So just outnumber the police and the city is yours? Aren’t Portland cops trained in riot control tactics? And I doubt Antifa will be attacking police in riot gear, as they much prefer beating up unarmed individuals.

Pa ElGrande

20Cent wrote: »

This is the kind of rubbish these right wing grifters are peddling. Inspiration for future attacks just like in Christchurch.

You are not listening. Can you make sense of James Hodgkinson actions? See if you can make sense of that Christchurch guys guys manifesto. As far as I can see such shooters tend to be men who are left alone too long to stew over perceived injustices to them rather than actual problems and they are looking for a outlet for that violence whether that takes the form via ANTIFA, or the violent anti-globalisation protesters at World Trade Organisation summit in Seattle and G8 meeting in Genoa at the beginning of this century. The attacks are not limited to one side either - You can see the 2015 San Bernardino attack and the November 2015 Paris attacks.



You start pushing people with radically different cultural values against each other in the same neighbourhood, don't be surprised when they rub each other up the wrong way and don't be surprised when politicians preaching diversity are seen as part of the problem and provoke a negative reaction that drives people to the other extreme of the political scale.

The Late Late Show

It is very clear that a whole lot of issues are being manipulated by dodgy media sources and unscrupulous politicians. Let's look at 2 things:

The post-April 8th American regime: anyone who can defend the warmongerng nastiness of John Bolton and Mike Pompeo and the amount of trouble they cause are deluded. This regime is woeful and the worst ever in America. It epitomizes all that is wrong in America today. Yet, the far right defend it to the hilt and accuse anyone who criticises it as communists. The far left of course hate it and are right to.

ISIS: The far right hate ISIS and are of course right to hate it. But they also spread their hate to all Muslims and then accuse anyone of supporting equality for all as being communist.

Extremists egged on by the media and pandered by opportunistic politicians have lead to all this. The far right and the far left have fed off each other and threaten the traditional moderate centre right and centre left. The extremists on both sides like to hijack any event and their voices are loudest.

Now you can ask how many evil regimes ranging from Hitler's Nazis to current American Gileadism were rooted in the mob culture. Antifa and the Tea Party may seem polar opposites but are not. Both are angry mobs and are anything but tolerant as we know. When we see a country's leaders pandering to these mobs, then the problems begin. Be it the late 1930s in Germany, Stalin's various purges, the Khmer Rouge regime of Pol Pot, or the April 2018 to date period in America, the rule of the mob became the policy of the country. Left and right ideology did not differentiate them: they were and are all murderous intolerant individuals, some doing it to their own people and/or some spreading their intolerance in unneeded wars.

Hitler and Stalin are a lesson from history. The fascist right v the fascist left. One fed off the other but ultimately their war was inevitable as one blocked the other's desire for world domination. With the mess that much of the world is today, one cannot rule out the potential rise of a superpower leader or leaders who could tilt the world into a major war. This is the danger. What could start off as an American invasion of Iran could lead to an uprising in America against Gileadism/waste of resources on a war. In turn, Russia could then arm the US insurgency and then anything is possible. If America continues to slide to the extreme right, then some other superpower could swing to the extreme left. Europe and the Middle East could be fair game for the vying powers.

The worries rises in extremism pose as well of course is nationalism. Europe has since the end of the WW2 been weaned off nationalism by both the Warsaw Pact on the USSR side and the EU and NATO from the West side. Events like Brexit which also had its roots in mobs have threatened the united Europe ideas dominant in various forms since WW2. Interference in European matters by individuals like Steve Bannon is another worry.

The desires of the likes of the extremists has so far not taken hold in Europe but one cannot rely on that forever either. From Northern Ireland to Belgium to Serbia, divisions and the fallout from older conflicts have not entirely gone away. Organisations worldwide ranging from the Tea Party to ISIS to PEGIDA to ANTIFA are all part of the problem and despite often hating each other, they all share the same narrow minded view and intolerance of others.

We in Ireland have not endorsed extremists on the right such as Identity Ireland or extremists on the left such as the 32 County Sovereignty Movement. Let's keep it this way.

dudara

Tasfasdf and Ted Johnson both yellow carded for below standard posting and failing to heed previous mod warning.

dudara

Ted Johnson

20Cent wrote: »

This is the kind of rubbish these right wing grifters are peddling. Inspiration for future attacks just like in Christchurch.

The 'inspiration' will be revenge attacks for atrocities committed by muslims in Europe. An eye for an eye. I don't agree with it personally, but that's how it is.

20Cent

20Cent wrote:

This is the kind of rubbish these right wing grifters are peddling. Inspiration for future attacks just like in Christchurch.

You mean that any opinion alternate to those you believe in are from "grifters" (a favourite term of yours).

Future attacks against people are all the blame of opposers of antifa, not because of antifa

Good logic

_blaaz

Ted Johnson wrote: »

The 'inspiration' will be revenge attacks for atrocities committed by muslims in Europe. An eye for an eye. I don't agree with it personally, but that's how it is.

Alot of problem.is muslim atrocities in europe are response for attacks carried out in middle east,dont have too.much sympathy for countries involved tbh (obviously feel.bad for innocents in both sides involved)


The yanks and brits have a lot to answer for sticking their nose in there,went looking for trouble and followed them.home

Blueshoe

_blaaz wrote: »

Alot of problem.is muslim atrocities in europe are response for attacks carried out in middle east,dont have too.much sympathy for countries involved tbh (obviously feel.bad for innocents in both sides involved)


The yanks and brits have a lot to answer for sticking their nose in there,went looking for trouble and followed them.home

https://twitter.com/999London/status/1148168764858482688?s=19

Ted Johnson

_blaaz wrote: »

Alot of problem.is muslim atrocities in europe are response for attacks carried out in middle east,dont have too.much sympathy for countries involved tbh (obviously feel.bad for innocents in both sides involved)


The yanks and brits have a lot to answer for sticking their nose in there,went looking for trouble and followed them.home

And what did the Swedes do? Or the Finns? The Germams took in a million muslim migrants and terrorism and crime in response.

_blaaz

Blueshoe wrote: »

https://twitter.com/999London/status/1148168764858482688?s=19

Cheerz for random twitter link i guess
Prefer love island threads on it myself




But yes,much like ira bombing campaign there,so long as noone innocent gets killed...i dont see problem with returning the serve....


how is ok for brits/yanks to go around world acting the maggot and not face repercusion at home for it,deosnt seem fair to me

_blaaz

Ted Johnson wrote: »

And what did the Swedes do? Or the Finns? The Germams took in a million muslim migrants and terrorism and crime in response.

The germans been helping the french afaik in libya(could be wrong here?)....its nothing short of asthonishing ireland has not been attacked given free reign use of shannon airport


If brits and yanks not being going about attcking countries,there wouldnt be any refugees to begin with....raise their ire at them to begin with imo