Antifa [Mod Warning on post #1 - updated 08/08/19]

Odhinn

Blueshoe wrote: »

https://twitter.com/999London/status/1148168764858482688?s=19

...whats that to do with anything?

Ted Johnson

_blaaz wrote: »

The germans been helping the french afaik in libya(could be wrong here?)....its nothing short of asthonishing ireland has not been attacked given free reign use of shannon airport


If brits and yanks not being going about attcking countries,there wouldnt be any refugees to begin with....raise their ire at them to begin with imo

If muslims weren't slaughtering young girls in Manchester or massacring familes in Nice, that mosque in NZ would not have been attacked

_blaaz

_blaaz wrote:

If brits and yanks not being going about attcking countries,there wouldnt be any refugees to begin with....raise their ire at them to begin with imo

Mask slips.

Blueshoe

Odhinn wrote: »

...whats that to do with anything?

London 999 feed is crazy. The amount of stabbings and murders taking place is frightening. Unbelievable.

Life is cheap these days. Sad

_blaaz

Ted Johnson wrote: »

If muslims weren't slaughtering young girls in Manchester or massacring familes in Nice, that mosque in NZ would not have been attacked

If the brits not been attacking countries in middle east,there not be manchester attacks??



Do we just gloss over the complete clusterfcuk the brits and yanks have made of the world with.their adventures in middle east....isis was born out of carry on in abu graib and similar prisions (not to be taken as support for isis)



This thing of just ignoring causes and concentrating on reactions is dishonest??if you go looking for trouble,dont complain when you find all yous want of it

_blaaz

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Mask slips.

What mask....ive been relatively forward of believing violence begets violence....much like i said id have no sympathy for them antifa lads if they got attacked??

Ted Johnson

_blaaz wrote: »

If the brits not been attacking countries in middle east,there not be manchester attacks??



Do we just gloss over the complete clusterfcuk the brits and yanks have made of the world with.their adventures in middle east....isis was born out of carry on in abu graib and similar prisions (not to be taken as support for isis)



This thing of just ignoring causes and concentrating on reactions is dishonest??if you go looking for trouble,dont complain when you find all yous want of it

Nothing the British have done could ever justify the slaughter of young girls at a pop concert. Sounds like you're trying to defend jihadist scum.

_blaaz

Ted Johnson wrote: »

Nothing the British have done could ever justify the slaughter of young girls at a pop concert. Sounds like you're trying to defend jihadist scum.

Except im not??


Nowhere have i said it justifies it either??....you cant go about attacking countries and be shocked when trouble follows you home*


Actions have consequences mate,act violent and expect violence in return


*cant believe this needs to be said,but you can critise british (and US) forgien policy,without immediately support jihadis

Odhinn

Blueshoe wrote: »

London 999 feed is crazy. The amount of stabbings and murders taking place is frightening. Unbelievable.

Life is cheap these days. Sad

But whats that to do with the thread?

Ted Johnson

_blaaz wrote: »

Except im not??


Nowhere have i said it justifies it either??....you cant go about attacking countries and be shocked when trouble follows you home*


Actions have consequences mate,act violent and expect violence in return


*cant believe this needs to be said,but you can critise british (and US) forgien policy,without immediately support jihadis

You seem disturbingly indifferent to terrorism.

Blueshoe

Odhinn wrote: »

But whats that to do with the thread?

This thread is about Antifa.

We have had everything but Antifa for the past few pages.

Ok boss

_blaaz

Ted Johnson wrote: »

You seem disturbingly indifferent to terrorism.

Meh...just dont see any moral difference between states killing innocent people and terrorist groups/lone wolfs etc etc...same result innocent people dead?

Pa ElGrande

The Late Late Show wrote: »

It is very clear that a whole lot of issues are being manipulated by dodgy media sources and unscrupulous politicians. Let's look at 2 things:

Bolton and Pompeo are just business as usual from the Washington establishment, the search for the external enemy to justfy the excess of the military industrial complex (MIC). American foreign policy has not changed since ~1997 or have we forgotten about the Project for a new American Century (PNAC) which was the response to the shrinking budgets of the post cold war era. The US and it's proxy NATO started flexing their muscles with the Yugoslav civil war and then had free range under Bush with the Afghan and Iraq wars which are still ongoing 18 years later. They even continued under the Obama regime with Libya and Syria. So far nothing has changed under Trump and the Democrats are just as enthusiastic for war as the Republicans. You will not fail to notice that anti-war candidates like Ron Paul (2008,2012) and Tulsi Gabbard get sidelined down the memory hole by the dodgy mainstream media that is overall aligned with the Washington establishment. The anti-war candidates get most of their media coverage from the fringe media. In my opinion Trump has made really bad decision bringing Bolton and Pompeo into the administration as the neocons should have been run out of town for good in 2006 with the failure of the Iraq war (they should never have been given a chance to do what they did in the first place). You should also note that Trump is an outsider who has usurped the establishment to become President and does not have many allies in Washington elements of whom launched a failed coup d'etat against him and he has probably been forced by the circumstances of the Mueller political endorsed investigation to appoint the neocons in order to keep the MIC off his back. Trump is responsive to his base and they have told him no new war and preferably end the wars started over a decade ago. It is disappointing that he has not actually ended any wars yet and overall the contempt towards him by the Washington establishment is a genuine wasted opportunity to make some real progress towards a better world and actually bring about some change for the better.


To equate the tea-party with ANIFA is wrong. The tea-party was the re-emergence of the Reagan financial conservatives. They are law abiding,did not endorse violence and were duly elected, however, they were crushed by the Washington establishment in particular the actions of house minority leader John Boehner before the Republicans eventually turned on him.


ANTIFA has it's origin in the Communist party of post world war I era Germany. Its current US implementation morphed out of a previous generation of Maoist followers and they are essentially thugs who endorse violence to get what they want and in no way are they comparable to the tea party.

Omackeral

Ted Johnson wrote: »

You seem disturbingly indifferent to terrorism.

_blaaz wrote: »

Meh...

Yeah, pretty much proving what he's saying.

_blaaz

Omackeral wrote: »

Yeah, pretty much proving what he's saying.

Except it wasnt....just pointed out the no difference between states killing innocents and terrorist....but sure whatever ya feel yaself

_blaaz

_blaaz wrote:

Except it wasnt....just pointed out the no difference between states killing innocents and terrorist....but sure whatever ya feel yaself

That made no sense either.

So am i to take it that you are an anarchist that opposes all government?

_blaaz

[Deleted User] wrote: »

So am i to take it that you are an anarchist that opposes all government?

Nah mate.....tbh dont really know what anarchist is anyway



But surely a government is needed to keep lights on/make day to day decisions?

But shoupd accept consequemces for those decisions

Outlaw Pete

_blaaz wrote: »

Meh...just dont see any moral difference between states killing innocent people and terrorist groups/lone wolfs etc etc...same result innocent people dead?

Innocent people dying and innocent people being targeted are two entirely different things. It's why Bloody Sunday and the PIRA bombing pubs in the 70's garnered such condemnation around the world. There can be no justifying of the suicide bombing at the Ariana Grande concert for the same reason, as there was no legitimate target. It was designed purely to kill innocent life are terrorize the public at large.

_blaaz

_blaaz wrote:

But surely a government is needed to keep lights on/make day to day decisions?

_blaaz wrote:

But shoupd accept consequemces for those decisions

Yeah... Not sure what the point is there. Perhaps post again tomorrow, you've had a few too many

_blaaz

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Yeah... Not sure what the point is there. Perhaps post again tomorrow, you've had a few too many

Yous are saying im.aginest governments....pointing out that isnt the case??



Kinda confused as to why your struggling tbh mate

The Late Late Show

Pa ElGrande wrote: »

Bolton and Pompeo are just business as usual from the Washington establishment, the search for the external enemy to justfy the excess of the military industrial complex (MIC). American foreign policy has not changed since ~1997 or have we forgotten about the Project for a new American Century (PNAC) which was the response to the shrinking budgets of the post cold war era. The US and it's proxy NATO started flexing their muscles with the Yugoslav civil war and then had free range under Bush with the Afghan and Iraq wars which are still ongoing 18 years later. They even continued under the Obama regime with Libya and Syria. So far nothing has changed under Trump and the Democrats are just as enthusiastic for war as the Republicans. You will not fail to notice that anti-war candidates like Ron Paul (2008,2012) and Tulsi Gabbard get sidelined down the memory hole by the dodgy mainstream media that is overall aligned with the Washington establishment. The anti-war candidates get most of their media coverage from the fringe media. In my opinion Trump has made really bad decision bringing Bolton and Pompeo into the administration as the neocons should have been run out of town for good in 2006 with the failure of the Iraq war (they should never have been given a chance to do what they did in the first place). You should also note that Trump is an outsider who has usurped the establishment to become President and does not have many allies in Washington elements of whom launched a failed coup d'etat against him and he has probably been forced by the circumstances of the Mueller political endorsed investigation to appoint the neocons in order to keep the MIC off his back. Trump is responsive to his base and they have told him no new war and preferably end the wars started over a decade ago. It is disappointing that he has not actually ended any wars yet and overall the contempt towards him by the Washington establishment is a genuine wasted opportunity to make some real progress towards a better world and actually bring about some change for the better.


To equate the tea-party with ANIFA is wrong. The tea-party was the re-emergence of the Reagan financial conservatives. They are law abiding,did not endorse violence and were duly elected, however, they were crushed by the Washington establishment in particular the actions of house minority leader John Boehner before the Republicans eventually turned on him.


ANTIFA has it's origin in the Communist party of post world war I era Germany. Its current US implementation morphed out of a previous generation of Maoist followers and they are essentially thugs who endorse violence to get what they want and in no way are they comparable to the tea party.

I am well aware of all this. Antifa and Tea Party are not comparable on one hand but if both met at a gathering, there'd be hell to pay. The intolerant far left v the intolerant far right.

The Tea Party had its origins as an anti-austerity movement but the movement became hijacked by guys like Ted Cruz and Nazi flags and mocking depictions of Obama became the norm. We see the exact same thing from the blip flying anti-Trump types. Ah, the far left and far right? They love each other really!! Without each other, their causes would be meaningless. They should be kept on the fringes where they belong.

All this Mueller thing is more of same. I see the Democrats' attempt to demonise Russia as anything different to the Bolton/Pompeo types demonising Iran. If BOTH parties were completely honest, they'd KNOW Saudi Arabia and Netanyahu have the biggest negative influence on American politics. And other stuff such as racism, extreme Christism and anti-communist paranoia cannot be blamed on anyone other than Americans of those persuasions themselves.

20Cent

Deleted User wrote: »

You mean that any opinion alternate to those you believe in are from "grifters" (a favourite term of yours).

Future attacks against people are all the blame of opposers of antifa, not because of antifa

Good logic

Paul Joseph Watson tweeted a video of someone being mugged at knifepoint yesterday saying London has fallen and blaming the mayor (a muslim). The video was actually from South Africa but it didn't matter to him.
Many other grifters say similar including Katie Hopkins. They say there are no go zones, that muslims are invading and want to turn the UK Muslim. They say parts of it already are.
They are building up a frenzy of hatred and when someone drives a car into a crowd outside a Mosque or kills a politician their influence needs to be examined.

To avoid being attacked by antifa simply don't March with far right groups. To avoid being attacked by the far right is more difficult.

Tasfasdf

20Cent wrote: »

They say there are no go zones, that muslims are invading and want to turn the UK Muslim. They say parts of it already are.



To avoid being attacked by antifa simply don't March with far right groups. To avoid being attacked by the far right is more difficult.

There are no go zones so get your facts straight. They even practice sharia law there.

Would you say to a black man not to march with black live matter where there a KKK group protesting?

Also what is far right? like the journalist doing his job and just people against your opinion.

20Cent

Tasfasdf wrote: »

There are no go zones so get your facts straight. They even practice sharia law there.

Would you say to a black man not to march with black live matter where there a KKK group protesting?

Also what is far right? like the journalist doing his job and just people against your opinion.

And people say the propaganda doesn't work.
Prime example of the ignorance these people are spreading here.

Brian?

Tasfasdf wrote: »

There are no go zones so get your facts straight. They even practice sharia law there.

Would you say to a black man not to march with black live matter where there a KKK group protesting?

Also what is far right? like the journalist doing his job and just people against your opinion.

Can I ask where the "No go" zones are?

Eric Cartman

Brian? wrote: »

Can I ask where the "No go" zones are?

Tower hamlets, newham and parts of hackney

klaaaz

Eric Cartman wrote: »

Tower hamlets, newham and parts of hackney

No-go for who? People live in those areas so it's still a go area, it ain't abandoned like Chernobyl.

SexBobomb

A "no-go area" (or "no-go zone") is an area in a town barricaded off to civil authorities by a force such as a paramilitary, or an area barred to certain individuals or groups.

But you knew that..

Seanachai

klaaaz wrote: »

No-go for who? People live in those areas so it's still a go area, it ain't abandoned like Chernobyl.

It's not abandoned, but there has been a flight of the old established working class from those areas, my own relatives got out of London and Birmingham, despite having a lot of friends there and still having a lot of affection for the places. I can handle myself and if I was there I'd be looking for a way out, if I had children, especially daughters, I'd be racked with worry for them.

I can't afford to get out of the city at the moment, as soon as I can I'm gone because they're just going to degenerate more and more, except for the leafy suburbs of course.

Boxing.Fan

Eric Cartman wrote: »

Tower hamlets, newham and parts of hackney

Not really no go zones as such, just ****holes with a high Muslim population and hotbeds for Islamic terrorism.