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Antifa [Mod Warning on post #1 - updated 08/08/19]
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First, NYC does not represent the majority of American citizens. Second, if Trump cared more about select groups than Making America Great Again, yes, IMO he should 'go back' to where he came from... NYC, with is like some alien world if you've ever been there. Last time I was there I got 4 $92 tickets for windows that were too tinted by NYC standards (but not by surrounding state standards), one for each window. And the tinting was minimal.FartyBlartFast wrote: »You seem to be ignoring my question despite replying, so I'll ask again...
I see you're using the 'majority of American citizens' line. If you're using approval ratings to back this up, should Trump leave the US too, along with mitch McConnell and the vast majority of all elected officials on both sides of the aisle as they are below 50% approval too?
Or is it somehow different in the case of these four non white women?
You can ignorantly accuse me of "whataboutism," but what it really is involves identifying similar scenarios in order to see if it holds up when the shoe is on the other foot!
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FartyBlartFast wrote: »So quote where they actually answered it. That will prove me wrong.
"The point of his “go back where they came from” tweet (as I took it) was to highlight to the American people where the loyalties of these congresswomen stand… which does not appear to be with the majority of American CITIZENS."
The point made by Trump was symbolic. If you care more about the plight of people from other countries, or self-indulgent groups here, than the 'overall' American citizens... then go do something about it, not telling me what I should do.
I think we'll be arguing over this type of stuff for two of my daughters in the coming years. The older one will probably be a republican congresswoman in about 10 years and the youngest a liberal senator at some point. The oldest is currently a politician and the youngest is attending American University in Washington, DC, know for producing ambassadors, members of Congress and the Senate. She would like to intern with AOC in 2020... WHERE HAVE I FAILED!
I'm not too happy most Congressional interns are required to sign nondisclosure agreements (NDA's) while working for either Democratic or Republican lawmakers. The NDA’s do not provide exceptions or protection for reporting sexual harassment, discrimination or abuse. And the documents in many cases continue to apply after the interns leave Capitol Hill. But if you want to get ahead in politics I guess you need to play the game.You can ignorantly accuse me of "whataboutism," but what it really is involves identifying similar scenarios in order to see if it holds up when the shoe is on the other foot!
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It is good of Trump to keep AOC in the news and highlighting just how dangerous of America her platform is. But that is the primary.
When it comes to the general election Pelosi is right... a glass of water with a 'D' behind it would have won those districts.
Which of her proposals do you think is the most dangerous to the US as a whole?
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rossie1977 wrote: »Which of her proposals do you think is the most dangerous to the US as a whole?
Abolishing immigration enforcement alone is highly dangerous.0 -
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Billy Mays wrote: »Funny how you lads seem to be concentrating solely on Omar here just cos she's the only one who wasn't born in the states
Incorrect, I referred to AOC also, as she was the one posting Instagram clips where she had said the Trump administration were acting like fascists and likened the border detention facilities to Nazi concentration camps (something the recent Antifa firebomber parroted in his manifesto). She knows the line of comparison she was drawing when she said that crap. Shows the level of respect she must have for Americans that died fighting actual Nazis.Telling people of colour to go back to where they came from is the definition of racism. Yous bang on about lefties having Trump Derangement Syndrome but it's as much a thing on the right. Some people are so deranged when it comes to supporting Trump that they'll literally defend anything he says or does, including outright racism.
He has spoken to Piers Morgan in similar fashion on the issue of the right to bear arms. I believe he said sort out your own country with regards to knife crime before lecturing him about gun laws and so I have no doubt if Piers was a member of congress he'd be making similar remarks and telling him to go back home. This 'women of colour' crap is just the usual leftie nonsense trying to paint people as victims so liberals can position themselves as saintly.George Conway wrote a good op-ed on this yesterday. I expect you'll just dismiss it though as he probably has Trump Derangement Syndrome aswell
"Trump is a racist..." great headline, but Don Lemon got there first, multiple times. I read it last night as it happens, Rose McGowan tweeted it.
As for the contend of the article, it's just the usual bleeding heart liberal nonsense, the crux of which is the predictable 'I remember the first time someone told me to go back to where I came from'. Yeah, we heard it multiple times over the last few days and it's just said to try and make readers see Trump's comments out of context..... as ever. It's been happening for three bloody years, what's new:
He mocks a journalist who's disabled and it's twisted that he mocked him because he was disabled. He says he didn't know Meghan Markle was nasty [about him, obviously] and it's twisted that he meant he didn't know Meghan was nasty as a person. He references that some of the Mexican migrants that illegally cross the border are rapists, and gets accused of calling all Mexicans rapists. He calls MS-13 animals and it's twisted that he's calling all immigrants animals. He says there was fine people on both sides in Charlottesville and gets accused of referring to Neo Nazis as fine people... and on and on and on and that's without even getting into the Russian Collusion hoax nonsense and all the misrepresentations of what he said during that whole debacle.
Not saying that's the case every single time, or that I agree with everything he has ever said, I don't, but nine times out of ten the outrage about what Trump has said will be where his comments have been deliberately stripped of context in order to make him look as racist and misogynistic as possible. All politically motivated, of course.
If Trump only attacked "people of colour" I might be sympathetic to the notion that he is a racist at heart, but that's far from the case as everyone knows fine well he attacks all and sundry, he's indiscriminate. If he avoided "people of colour" socially or even with regards to his policies, I might be sympathetic to the notion that he's a racist, but that's far from the case also. So you will have to forgive me for seeing this latest hysterical outrage to be as just as politically motivated as all the rest of them.
The problem is that the media in western society is infested with far left liberals who couldn't give a crap about the truth. All they want to do is push their leftist agenda down society's throat on a daily basis and people are bloody sick of it. You (collective you) slam Fox News as being a poor source but yet have no trouble posting up links from CNN who are the most shamefully corrupt media outfit on the damn planet. There has been many positive things to report on about the Trump administration but it's largely all been ignored because it doesn't fit the racist narrative that the mainstream media are intent on peddling. All they want to do is amplify negativity about Trump.
Even celebrating the 4th of July was condemned by them. Had Obama done you can be sure they'd have been saying how awesome the airshow was. Trump did it though and so it was a horrible spectacle.
You'd also swear the Mexican border had always ran smoothly with little issues the way the liberal media are carrying on, but that ain't true.........
Everyone remember a few weeks ago when a video went viral of a lawyer supposedly arguing that the Trump administration shouldn't have to provide toothbrushes and shower facilities at border detention facilities? How it was disgraceful that this could go on, how human rights were being violated and it was all just another reason why Trump should be impeached? Then suddenly the story died. Wonder why? Well, it turned out the lawyer was actually appointed during the Obama administration and the case was filed under his tenure too. In other words those conditions existed under his watch also. Yeah, genuine outrage my ass, but that's far from the only proof of that, let's look at some headlines during the Obama era in relation to the border & illegal immigration shall we:Families Report Abuse in Border Patrol Detention Facilities, Despite Court Ruling
Divided by Detention: Asylum-Seeking Families’ Experiences of Separation
Thousands of Kids Lost From Parents In U.S. Deportation System
Border Patrol warns more kids will die in desert
Federal Judge: The Obama Administration Aids and Abets Human Trafficking
Report: Obama Administration Handed Child Migrants Over to Human Traffickers
Why is U.S. Border Patrol Shooting Rock-Throwing Teenagers?
Migrant Children Accuse Border Patrol Agents of Physical and Sexual Assault
All the above articles / photos are from the Obama years and they have one thing in common and that is that none of them are from mainstream media sources and that's because the mainstream media pretty much gave Obama a free ride. They didn't amplify these stories to the hysterical level we are seeing today now Trump is in office and that shows you that the current outrage is not genuine at all, nor even close to it, it's fake, just a political tool.
Tim Young hits the nail on the head here:
https://twitter.com/TimRunsHisMouth/status/1150394155899731969
It's hard to believe with today's current media acting like Trump was the first American president ever to deport an illegal alien, but in certain circles during the Obama years (the ones mainstream media didn't give a voice to) he was actually known as the 'Deporter-In-Chief':Barack Obama: The Deporter-In-Chief
There has been much talk about US President-elect Donald Trump’s hardline stance on immigration.
But Trump will be inheriting a well-oiled deportation infrastructure from the Obama administration, which has deported 2.5 million people - more than every single US president of the 20th century combined.
In this week’s Reality Check, Mehdi Hasan exposes the deporter-in-chief’s legacy on deportation.
The retort from the left to the above is very predictable of course: "Oh, so if it happened under Obama, it's fine, is that it??"
No, it's not fine, no matter what administration the situation needs to be solved but it's needs to be reported in an honest way, not with photo shoots at border fences and pretend wailing. Do liberals think the world is stupid or something, maybe, and maybe they're right, sadly, but the truth is congress have been saying for over a year and half that there was no humanitarian crisis at the border and that Trump was "manufacturing" it, as they refused funding time and time again. Then all of a sudden when they can't deny it any longer they switch position, claim they never denied there was a crisis, they did.
So let's cut the bullshit. The outrage is exaggerated and totally disproportionate, all designed to paint Trump to be as racist as they possibly can. 'Make America White Again' I heard some of the unfunny liberal left "comedians" saying on US chat shows last night. Well, let's take a look at that accusation a little more closer with a Fox clip (I know, God forbid, right - but you might like it as Trump gets called a racist a few times) as it shows just how the mainstream media operate, as on the day Trump was doing something positive, signing an executive order which hopes to see more investment into low development areas, they couldn't have cared less:
Not the only positive story which mainstream media tended to under report whenever it didn't suit their shameful narrative, there was also the First Step Act which, while reported, was nothing like it would have been had Lord Obama been in the Oval.......
https://twitter.com/DanKEberhart/status/1148346520552562692
Oh, and liberals don't have the monopoly on compassion by the way, nor egalitarian thinking. White liberals constantly, and pretentiously, whining about how "people of color" have been offended might have worked very well for a long time but society is slowly but surely waking up and seeing that for what it is. Black people especially are calling out liberal pandering more than they ever have. Candace Owen, Larry Elder to name two that are quite vocal about it but I shall leave you with the following few tweets from two black Americans to show you that not all "people of colour" have been manipulated by the liberal left in America.
https://twitter.com/RealDark_Kent/status/1151039575437074432
https://twitter.com/TheOfficerTatum/status/11507713946171023360
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UZOczdFib4Y
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-_PeZBT8g8UThis discussion has been closed.
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