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Antifa [Mod Warning on post #1 - updated 08/08/19]

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    #1952
    Outlaw Pete
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    Yeah, that would be an apt reply if that's all that I was saying, but it's not.


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    #1953
    [Deleted User]
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    20Cent wrote:
    It's the black guy Obamas fault. Trump is the current president. Is it possible to have a discussion about trump without but but but Obaaaama coming up?
    Hahahaha.
    20Cent wrote:
    Wasn't a fan of him either tbh.
    Racist


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    #1954
    Tokyo
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    Mod: Deleted User - if you can't post something more productive, I'm going to start deleting these one-liners.


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    #1955
    MrFresh
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    mad muffin wrote: »
    It’s an absolute shame. They weren’t too concerned when Obama was building the cages, and deporting millions. He wasn’t called deporter in chief for nothing.


    They were actually. There are reports from back there about it too. The reason there weren't as many is because it wasn't on the same scale or for the same reason. Under Obama, the facilities were used as temporary holding for unaccompanied minors.


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    #1956
    20Cent
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    But they did it too is not an argument. Also one can criticise trump without having to justify everything Obama did. Trump is a grown man and can make his own decisions. He has decided to have people living in unsanitary conditions and separate children from their parents.


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    #1957
    mad muffin
    Registered Users Posts: 8,034 ✭✭✭mad muffin


    MrFresh wrote: »
    They were actually. There
    are reports from back there about it too. The reason there weren't as many is because it wasn't on the same scale or for the same reason. Under Obama, the facilities were used as temporary holding for unaccompanied minors.[/QUOTE]
    20Cent wrote: »
    But they did it too is not an argument. Also one can criticise trump without having to justify everything Obama did. Trump is a grown man and can make his own decisions. He has decided to have people living in unsanitary conditions and separate children from their parents.

    This is bull crap and you both know it. Did you even watch the video I posted above?

    Obama built the cages. Obama. Deported illegal immigrants at record numbers.

    The trump came to power. He wanted to increase ICE’s budget but the democrats refused. Saying there’s no crisis (I’d post a video as evidence but it would probably get deleted as a “dump”)
    During today’s hearing, Rep. Gaetz played the audio from a January 9, 2019, CNN interview with Majority Whip Jim Clyburn (D-SC-06). In the interview, Mr. Clyburn was asked: “Is there a humanitarian crisis on the southern border?” Mr. Clyburn responded with a dismissive chuckle, and stated “absolutely not.”

    Earlier this year, President Donald Trump and the Department of Homeland Security both insisted that a humanitarian crisis on the southern border existed, and that resources were needed to address it. Republicans in Congress, including Rep. Gaetz, were eager to pass legislation to address the crisis. Unfortunately, Democrats denied that a crisis even existed.

    https://gaetz.house.gov/media/press-releases/congressman-matt-gaetz-calls-out-democrats-judiciary-committee-playing-back


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    #1958
    20Cent
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    mad muffin wrote: »
    are reports from back there about it too. The reason there weren't as many is because it wasn't on the same scale or for the same reason. Under Obama, the facilities were used as temporary holding for unaccompanied minors.



    This is bull crap and you both know it. Did you even watch the video I posted above?

    Obama built the cages. Obama. Deported illegal immigrants at record numbers.

    The trump came to power. He wanted to increase ICE’s budget but the democrats refused. Saying there’s no crisis [/QUOTE]


    At least you acknowledge the treatment of immigrants at the border is a crisis. Sure is shameful, keeping people with no soap or toothpaste or blankets. Kids seperated from parents.
    Trump wants money for more ice raids and deportations not to make life better for those incarcerated. That's what the democratic party are blocking. Also the stupid wall.
    Trumps lawyers arguing with a judge that basic hygiene facilities are not needed is disgusting. Even the judges are horrified by it. There is more than enough money to provide humane conditions it's just they choose not to.


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    #1959
    MrFresh
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    mad muffin wrote: »
    This is bull crap and you both know it. Did you even watch the video I posted above?

    Obama built the cages. Obama. Deported illegal immigrants at record numbers.

    The trump came to power. He wanted to increase ICE’s budget but the democrats refused. Saying there’s no crisis (I’d post a video as evidence but it would probably get deleted as a “dump”)

    https://gaetz.house.gov/media/press-releases/congressman-matt-gaetz-calls-out-democrats-judiciary-committee-playing-back


    Again you miss the issue. It doesn't matter who built the cages. It matters what they are used for. It doesn't matter who deported more people, it matters how the deportations were committed and how the people were treated during their time in the care of the state. The Dems didn't aprove the funding because A, they believed any crisis was of Trump's own making and B, he wouldn't put the funds where they were supposed to go. Two very reasonable concerns. He has, after all, told about 10,000 lies since getting into office.


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    #1960
    snowblind
    Registered Users Posts: 972 ✭✭✭snowblind


    This seems to happen every week now...
    Teens Sought For Multiple BC Murders Have Far-Right Links: Report

    Those are the fa to antifa. And some say Antifa are worse than all these terrorists who have been killing people recently. What does it say about these people?


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    #1961
    snowblind
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    MrFresh wrote: »
    Again you miss the issue. It doesn't matter who built the cages. It matters what they are used for. It doesn't matter who deported more people, it matters how the deportations were committed and how the people were treated during their time in the care of the state. The Dems didn't aprove the funding because A, they believed any crisis was of Trump's own making and B, he wouldn't put the funds where they were supposed to go. Two very reasonable concerns. He has, after all, told about 10,000 lies since getting into office.
    Yep! Obama was bad, Trump is the worst. Whataboutism can end there.

    The centers currently are concentration camps. People who have long lived in the US are dragged from work, home, wherever. Reports of rape, sexual harrassment and deaths. This is quite different from Obama era.

    It's obvious that the alt right troll army here doesn't care about that all, so Ill ignore your "lol" oneliners, y'all could do with some empathy and literacy training.


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    #1962
    notobtuse
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    snowblind wrote: »
    This seems to happen every week now...
    Teens Sought For Multiple BC Murders Have Far-Right Links: Report

    Those are the fa to antifa. And some say Antifa are worse than all these terrorists who have been killing people recently. What does it say about these people?
    Regarding your link... did this happen in CANADA?

    You can ignorantly accuse me of "whataboutism," but what it really is involves identifying similar scenarios in order to see if it holds up when the shoe is on the other foot!



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    #1963
    Odhinn
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    notobtuse wrote: »
    Regarding your link... did this happen in CANADA?




    Yep.


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    #1964
    snowblind
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    This thread isn't just about the USA, nice try to deflect tho


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    #1965
    snowblind
    Registered Users Posts: 972 ✭✭✭snowblind


    Immigrant Detention Conditions Were Atrocious Under Obama. Here’s Why They’re So Much Worse Under Trump.

    The alt right trolls will just say "lol slate.com" and continue sharing FOX News clips, but if anyone else wants to know what has changed with the detention/concentration centers in Trump times, here's an intro

    And a reminder that we don't need y'all to invoke Godwins law here

    https://twitter.com/sfmnemonic/status/1141125878874877953


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    #1966
    snowblind
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    https://twitter.com/HeerJeet/status/1143236603378196480


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    #1967
    _blaaz
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    snowblind wrote: »
    Immigrant Detention Conditions Were Atrocious Under Obama. Here’s Why They’re So Much Worse Under Trump.

    The alt right trolls will just say "lol slate.com" and continue sharing FOX News clips, but if anyone else wants to know what has changed with the detention/concentration centers in Trump times, here's an intro

    And a reminder that we don't need y'all to invoke Godwins law here

    https://twitter.com/sfmnemonic/status/1141125878874877953

    I find it bizzare that they claim obama opening camps makes it ok to continue them??


    2 wrongs dont make.a right


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    #1968
    JohnMc1
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    snowblind wrote: »
    Yep! Obama was bad, Trump is the worst. Whataboutism can end there.

    The centers currently are concentration camps. People who have long lived in the US are dragged from work, home, wherever. Reports of rape, sexual harrassment and deaths. This is quite different from Obama era.

    It's obvious that the alt right troll army here doesn't care about that all, so Ill ignore your "lol" oneliners, y'all could do with some empathy and literacy training.

    They can leave and return home whenever they feel like it. Thus they are not Concentration camps.


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    #1969
    lawlolawl
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    Remind me again why we are supposed to feel bad for people who are illegally entering/residing in a country?


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    #1970
    _blaaz
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    lawlolawl wrote: »
    Remind me again why we are supposed to feel bad for people who are illegally entering/residing in a country?

    Because they still humans??



    In no world is these concentration camps right way to.sort this issue.....to support them.is trampling roughshod over civil liberties and no country be it saudi arabia or america shouldnt be above reproach as regards civil liberties




    If you support trampling over civil liberties for anyone,you support trampling over them.for everyone imo


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    #1971
    lawlolawl
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    _blaaz wrote: »
    Because they still humans??



    In no world is these concentration camps right way to.sort this issue.....to support them.is trampling roughshod over civil liberties and no country be it saudi arabia or america shouldnt be above reproach as regards civil liberties




    If you support trampling over civil liberties for anyone,you support trampling over them.for everyone imo


    Don't you have to be a legal citizen of a country to avail of civil liberties?


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    #1972
    _blaaz
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    lawlolawl wrote: »
    Don't you have to be a legal citizen of a country to avail of civil liberties?

    No imo
    As i said if you support removing civil libertirs for anyone (which your welcome to.do so),you support removing for all.....kinda like the free speech for bigots thingy


    They apply to everyone (as deos law btw),just theres a better way of soŕting this immigration issue without setting up concentration camps


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    #1973
    Sweetemotion
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    _blaaz wrote: »
    I find it bizzare that they claim obama opening camps makes it ok to continue them??


    2 wrongs dont make.a right


    What else could be done?

    The DHS has been asking for funds for the crisis at the border, only to be told what crisis?

    For months we were watching on the news about a caravan arriving from central America only for the likes of Don Lemon on CNN and other MSM to say it's just a manufactured crisis from Trump looking for money to build his wall.

    The caravan hits and boom. There suddenly is a crisis and the blame is put on those who were asking for extra funding to stop this from happening. :confused:


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    #1974
    lawlolawl
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    _blaaz wrote: »
    just theres a better way of soŕting this immigration issue without setting up concentration camps

    Go on so. What is it?

    How should the US deal with these illegal immigrants?

    What's the "better way" of dealing with these criminals?


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    #1975
    mad muffin
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    Calling the detention camps, concentration camps is the norm now?


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    #1976
    lawlolawl
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    mad muffin wrote: »
    Calling the detention camps, concentration camps is the norm now?

    "Everyone who disagrees with me is a Nazi!"


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    #1977
    _blaaz
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,646 ✭✭✭_blaaz


    Sweetemotion wrote: »
    What else could be done?

    The DHS has been asking for funds for the crisis at the border, only to be told what crisis?

    For months we were watching on the news about a caravan arriving from central America only for the likes of Don Lemon on CNN and other MSM to say it's just a manufactured crisis from Trump looking for money to build his wall.

    The caravan hits and boom. There suddenly is a crisis and the blame is put on those who were asking for extra funding to stop this from happening. :confused:
    Idk what else can be done,dont know or care enough about immigration into america,here to chat sh1te mainly(in reality imo it need the oz type enticements for immigrants to move to rural areas)...


    but the fact that they have to resort to concentration camps is a disgraceful indictment on american policy and no country should be allowed trample civil.liberties the way,

    They are a joke theyve left it come.to this and shows complete lack.of leadership.and accountability,that no body is stepping up with a plan to sort it.....they went to war in middle east to bring democracy,what country aspires to be like america or have there style of democracy now?


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    #1978
    mad muffin
    Registered Users Posts: 8,034 ✭✭✭mad muffin


    lawlolawl wrote: »
    Go on so. What is it?

    How should the US deal with these illegal immigrants?

    What's the "better way" of dealing with these criminals?

    I can tell you right now.

    Don’t have the opposition party calling on all and sundry.


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    #1979
    _blaaz
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    lawlolawl wrote: »
    What's the "better way" of dealing with these criminals?

    As ive said i dont know....but i know a clusterfcuk when i see one and a whole rake of people need sacking for let it get so bad that people are thinking concentration camps are going ro be a sucess


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    #1980
    _blaaz
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    mad muffin wrote: »
    Calling the detention camps, concentration camps is the norm now?

    To be clear its the differnece between potatoe and spud (or calling torture,inhanced interrogation methods)......same thing in reality?



    Theyve been around since the boer war and werent a sucess then,im.failing to see how they will be now??


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    #1981
    mad muffin
    Registered Users Posts: 8,034 ✭✭✭mad muffin


    lawlolawl wrote: »
    "Everyone who disagrees with me is a Nazi!"

    Everything is, Nazis, racists, bigots, whites supremacist, white privilege. That’s the democrats playbook now, since they lost power.


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