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Antifa [Mod Warning on post #1 - updated 08/08/19]

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    #2132
    20Cent
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    notobtuse wrote: »
    Where does it stop? If we mean nothing would you be okay if we turned you into dog food for Trump's granddaughter's new puppy?

    Really grasping at straws here dude, kind of sad.


    Great to see Greta is antifa though.


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    #2133
    mad muffin
    Registered Users Posts: 8,034 ✭✭✭mad muffin


    biko wrote: »
    Recognise this little Antifa girl?

    It's Climate Greta herself ticking all the leftist boxes at only 16..

    Greta-Antifa.png

    She stands no chance. Poor girl. Btw she looks 12…


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    #2134
    20Cent
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    mad muffin wrote: »
    She stands no chance. Poor girl. Btw she looks 12…

    Traveling the world, speaking at the UN, instigating huge climate change legislation in countries. Pretty good for a 16 year old.


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    #2135
    Billy Mays
    Registered Users Posts: 3,237 ✭✭✭Billy Mays


    20Cent wrote: »
    notobtuse wrote: »
    Where does it stop? If we mean nothing would you be okay if we turned you into dog food for Trump's granddaughter's new puppy?

    Really grasping at straws here dude, kind of sad.


    Great to see Greta is antifa though.
    Similar to the argument "if we allow same sex marriage it'll be marrying animals next"


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    #2136
    notobtuse
    Registered Users Posts: 5,424 ✭✭✭notobtuse


    I don’t agree with Ted Cruz that Antifa should be declared a terrorist organization. Instead, when Antifa causes violence that results in injury or destruction of property the whole lot of them involved in their protests should be arrested and given harsh jail sentences with harden criminals for being the criminals they are.

    You can ignorantly accuse me of "whataboutism," but what it really is involves identifying similar scenarios in order to see if it holds up when the shoe is on the other foot!



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    #2137
    notobtuse
    Registered Users Posts: 5,424 ✭✭✭notobtuse


    20Cent wrote: »
    Really grasping at straws here dude, kind of sad.
    Fertilizer has a greater value than food?

    You can ignorantly accuse me of "whataboutism," but what it really is involves identifying similar scenarios in order to see if it holds up when the shoe is on the other foot!



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    #2138
    20Cent
    Registered Users Posts: 8,939 ✭✭✭20Cent


    notobtuse wrote: »
    I don’t agree with Ted Cruz that Antifa should be declared a terrorist organization. Instead, when Antifa causes violence that results in injury or destruction of property the whole lot of them involved in their protests should be arrested and given harsh jail sentences with harden criminals for being the criminals they are.

    Sounds a bit fascist there bud.


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    #2139
    notobtuse
    Registered Users Posts: 5,424 ✭✭✭notobtuse


    20Cent wrote: »
    Sounds a bit fascist there bud.
    Why? If there is no violence then nothing should happen to them. Are laws against violence now representatives of fascism?

    You can ignorantly accuse me of "whataboutism," but what it really is involves identifying similar scenarios in order to see if it holds up when the shoe is on the other foot!



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    #2140
    20Cent
    Registered Users Posts: 8,939 ✭✭✭20Cent


    notobtuse wrote: »
    Why? If there is no violence then nothing should happen to them. Are laws against violence now representatives of fascism?

    You said you'd have them all rounded up. Even people who weren't involved in violence. Then given long prison sentences. That's collective punishment.


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    #2141
    Eric Cartman
    Registered Users Posts: 26,280 ✭✭✭✭Eric Cartman


    20Cent wrote: »
    Traveling the world, speaking at the UN, instigating huge climate change legislation in countries. Pretty good for a 16 year old.

    towed out like a puppet, using a young girl to peddle your agenda is a great way of deflecting all criticism with "look at this person attacking a young girl"
    Its exactly what this lobby would do.


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    #2142
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    Jesus Christ .. that people are so brazen in regards to their plainly sectarian ideology is really quite worrying..

    And that graph that was posted their earlier makes it clear it's been happening since at least before 2014, so it can't really be blamed on Trump.. he's obviously just a manifestation of it..


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    #2143
    notobtuse
    Registered Users Posts: 5,424 ✭✭✭notobtuse


    20Cent wrote: »
    You said you'd have them all rounded up. Even people who weren't involved in violence. Then given long prison sentences. That's collective punishment.
    If they are acting as an organized group committing violence then they should be arrested as a group. Thrown in jail with other violent criminals, yes. The term of their prison sentences is determined by the crime committed. Violence that results in injury or destruction of property usually carries a much harsher sentence than j-walking.

    You can ignorantly accuse me of "whataboutism," but what it really is involves identifying similar scenarios in order to see if it holds up when the shoe is on the other foot!



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    #2144
    20Cent
    Registered Users Posts: 8,939 ✭✭✭20Cent


    notobtuse wrote: »
    If they are acting as an organized group committing violence then they should be arrested as a group. Thrown in jail with other violent criminals, yes. The term of their prison sentences is determined by the crime committed. Violence that results in injury or destruction of property usually carries a much harsher sentence than j-walking.

    And how would one know who was part of the organised group?


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    #2145
    hetuzozaho
    Registered Users Posts: 2,840 ✭✭✭hetuzozaho


    I see Greta has changed her mind on the t-shirt

    https://twitter.com/GretaThunberg/status/1154734497662943232


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    #2146
    notobtuse
    Registered Users Posts: 5,424 ✭✭✭notobtuse


    20Cent wrote: »
    And how would one know who was part of the organised group?
    Its not rocket science...

    Screen-Shot-2018-05-27-at-10.23.01-PM.png

    You can ignorantly accuse me of "whataboutism," but what it really is involves identifying similar scenarios in order to see if it holds up when the shoe is on the other foot!



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    #2147
    mad muffin
    Registered Users Posts: 8,034 ✭✭✭mad muffin


    hetuzozaho wrote: »
    I see Greta has changed her mind on the t-shirt

    https://twitter.com/GretaThunberg/status/1154734497662943232

    Looks like she still has a chance after all…


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    #2148
    hetuzozaho
    Registered Users Posts: 2,840 ✭✭✭hetuzozaho


    mad muffin wrote: »
    Looks like she still has a chance after all…

    Sorry a chance for?


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    #2149
    Danzy
    Registered Users Posts: 13,851 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    Sad that Greta had to apologise for wearing a t shirt with Anti fascist in it.

    Understandable given the hijacking of the term by rich kid authoritarians with a passion for violence.


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    #2150
    20Cent
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    notobtuse wrote: »
    Its not rocket science...


    It would be unconstitutional to round up people just because they are in a certain area or because of their clothes. I'm sure the freedom loving brigade can appreciate that.


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    #2151
    Brian?
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 21,436 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    notobtuse wrote: »
    The composting of bodies is part of the drip, drip, drip method of devaluing human life.

    Any logic behind that? They're dead bodies, it's increasing the value of dead bodies if anything.
    Tearing families apart is unfortunate, but it is the law when it is suspect the child is being used for nefarious means or the adults are determined to have been part of some serious criminal behavior.

    Composting dead bodies is devaluing human life, but putting kids in cages isn't. You're standing by that?

    they/them/theirs


    And so on, and so on …. - Slavoj Žižek




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    #2152
    Brian?
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 21,436 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    notobtuse wrote: »
    We can agree to disagree. If we’re just considered fertilizer, why then should we be valued in life?

    Because we're alive.


    It's not complicated really. You want to be cremated, I want to be composted. It's a matter of choice.

    they/them/theirs


    And so on, and so on …. - Slavoj Žižek




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    #2153
    notobtuse
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    20Cent wrote: »
    It would be unconstitutional to round up people just because they are in a certain area or because of their clothes. I'm sure the freedom loving brigade can appreciate that.
    You're correct. But when they institute violence as a group its a different matter. Common sense... the police can determine if the violence is being committed by an individual versus a group.

    You can ignorantly accuse me of "whataboutism," but what it really is involves identifying similar scenarios in order to see if it holds up when the shoe is on the other foot!



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    #2154
    Danzy
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    20Cent wrote: »
    It would be unconstitutional to round up people just because they are in a certain area or because of their clothes. I'm sure the freedom loving brigade can appreciate that.

    No mask laws have been successful in handling other somewhat similar groups in the deep South in the past.


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    #2155
    notobtuse
    Registered Users Posts: 5,424 ✭✭✭notobtuse


    Brian? wrote: »
    Composting dead bodies is devaluing human life, but putting kids in cages isn't. You're standing by that?
    I've addressed the cages issue numerous times. Comprehension issues? Time to change that broken record of yours.

    You can ignorantly accuse me of "whataboutism," but what it really is involves identifying similar scenarios in order to see if it holds up when the shoe is on the other foot!



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    #2156
    20Cent
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    Danzy wrote: »
    No mask laws have been successful in handling other somewhat similar groups in the deep South in the past.

    Antifa really aren't such a big problem that such draconian measures would be required.
    The violence is rare and mild enough.


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    #2157
    Brian?
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 21,436 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    notobtuse wrote: »
    You're correct. But when they institute violence as a group its a different matter. Common sense... the police can determine if the violence is being committed by an individual versus a group.

    Are there any other groups of people you’d like to see rounded up and thrown in jail?

    they/them/theirs


    And so on, and so on …. - Slavoj Žižek




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    #2158
    Brian?
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 21,436 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    notobtuse wrote: »
    I've addressed the cages issue numerous times. Comprehension issues? Time to change that broken record of yours.

    You’ve addressed it many times already. But I’m not done pointing out your rank hypocrisy.

    I comprehend your stance on throwing kids in cages. I just disagree.

    I don’t comprehend your issue with composting dead bodies. It seems like a silly thing to believe.


    I comprehend that holding these 2 opinions is hypocritical. I don’t think you do.

    they/them/theirs


    And so on, and so on …. - Slavoj Žižek




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    #2159
    notobtuse
    Registered Users Posts: 5,424 ✭✭✭notobtuse


    Brian? wrote: »
    Are there any other groups of people you’d like to see rounded up and thrown in jail?
    KKK and extremist right-wing groups - if they participate in group violence, and NAMBLA, perhaps.

    You can ignorantly accuse me of "whataboutism," but what it really is involves identifying similar scenarios in order to see if it holds up when the shoe is on the other foot!



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    #2160
    notobtuse
    Registered Users Posts: 5,424 ✭✭✭notobtuse


    Brian? wrote: »
    You’ve addressed it many times already. But I’m not done pointing out your rank hypocrisy.

    I comprehend your stance on throwing kids in cages. I just disagree.

    I don’t comprehend your issue with composting dead bodies. It seems like a silly thing to believe.


    I comprehend that holding these 2 options is hypocritical. I don’t think you do.

    Then you didn't comprehend what I said.

    You can ignorantly accuse me of "whataboutism," but what it really is involves identifying similar scenarios in order to see if it holds up when the shoe is on the other foot!



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    #2161
    Brian?
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 21,436 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    notobtuse wrote: »
    KKK and extremist right-wing groups - if they participate in group violence, and NAMBLA, perhaps.

    At least your consistent in your authoritarianism. Almost admirable.

    they/them/theirs


    And so on, and so on …. - Slavoj Žižek




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