Antifa [Mod Warning on post #1 - updated 08/08/19]

snowblind

snowblind wrote:

They advocate for dictatorial power, forcible suppression of opposition, and strong regimentation of society.

If I'm not mistaken, they openly support the President of the United States (not a dictator).

Forcible suppression of the opposition is exactly what you applaud antifa for doing

And a strong regimentation of society? What does that mean exactly? That can mean anything except not advocating for anarchy.

snowblind

notobtuse wrote: »

Bullcrap! A couple thousand idiot nutjobs does not a country make.

What? I didn't say what makes a country. Get a hold of yourself!

snowblind

Deleted User wrote: »

If I'm not mistaken, they openly support the President of the United States (not a dictator).

Forcible suppression of the opposition is exactly what you applaud antifa for doing

And a strong regimentation of society? What does that mean exactly? That can mean anything except not advocating for anarchy.

They plot violcence in their rallies yet you bash antifa but not proud boys. Real surprising :rolleyes:

That's their forcible suppression they're going for. Proud Boys would definitely want a trump dictator. We'll see what happens when he gets voted out or term limit comes in...

snowblind

snowblind wrote:

yet you bash antifa but not proud boys. Real surprising

In a thread talking about antifa it shouldn't really surprise you.

Plus I'm sorry, much as you wouldn't pay heed to a fox news article, the Huffington post is not something I would class as reputable

Danzy

One of the strongest Neo Nazi movements in America has 350 members.

The notorious Atom Waffen Division org. has spread to other countries and is believed to have 80 members.

When your radical left today but you can't go on about class politics because you and your friends are from very well to do homes, you engage in struggle by fighting Nazism, given they are not enough to go around, stretch the definition.

As long as it gives one a purpose and a central role in this fight against evil.

The rich are revolting.

snowblind

Deleted User wrote: »

In a thread talking about antifa it shouldn't really surprise you.

Plus I'm sorry, much as you wouldn't pay heed to a fox news article, the Huffington post is not something I would class as reputable

Surprise :pac: Please unironically post some more FOX videos

snowblind

Danzy wrote: »

One of the strongest Neo Nazi movements in America has 350 members.

The notorious Atom Waffen Division org. has spread to other countries and is believed to have 80 members.

When your radical left today but you can't go on about class politics because you and your friends are from very well to do homes, you engage in struggle by fighting Nazism, given they are not enough to go around, stretch the definition.

As long as it gives one a purpose and a central role in this fight against evil.

The rich are revolting.

According to FBI far right terrorism is the biggest cause of terrorism in the united states and everyone can see it around the world but keep throwing around that propaganda, shows who you support. Facts about the rise of far right terrorism which includes nazis and other far right organizations are widespread and their acts are documented all around europe, the states, australia, south africa etc

snowblind

snowblind wrote:

Surprise Please unironically post some more FOX videos

What?

notobtuse

snowblind wrote: »

According to FBI far right terrorism is the biggest cause of terrorism in the united states and everyone can see it around the world but keep throwing around that propaganda, shows who you support. Facts about the rise of far right terrorism which includes nazis and other far right organizations are widespread and their acts are documented all around europe, the states, australia, south africa etc

It takes a lot to make neo-Nazis seem the more reasonable party at a political event, but over here, Antifa sure does. They are the confluence of idiocy!

notobtuse

notobtuse wrote:

It takes a lot to make neo-Nazis seem the more reasonable party at a political event, but over here, Antifa sure does. They are the confluence of idiocy!

It really is. Constantly protesting and dltrying to shut down the likes of Ben Shapiro and Steven Crowder because apparently they spread "propaganda".

Stopping opposing voices being heard sounds almost fascistic doesn't it?

It won't be long til they splinter and have antifa marching against antifa

Eric Cartman

snowblind wrote: »

According to FBI far right terrorism is the biggest cause of terrorism in the united states and everyone can see it around the world but keep throwing around that propaganda, shows who you support. Facts about the rise of far right terrorism which includes nazis and other far right organizations are widespread and their acts are documented all around europe, the states, australia, south africa etc

And even from that, 'anti government' attacks are considered right wing, and 169 of those 'right wing' deaths are exclusively from the oklahoma city bombing.

Right-wing extremists, meanwhile, divide into two broadly distinct groups. One, typified by the 1995 Oklahoma City bomber Timothy McVeigh, is driven by distrust of the U.S. federal government.

Then there are the white supremacists. They include Wade Michael Page, who stormed the Sikh temple in Oak Creek, Wisconsin, in August 2012, killing six worshippers and wounding four more. When the GTD is updated for 2015, it will also include the murder of nine black members of the Emanuel African Methodist Episcopal Church in Charleston, South Carolina, gunned down in June by 21-year-old Dylann Roof, seen posing online with the Confederate flag.

and I even used a 'left biased' news source

snowblind

Eric Cartman wrote: »

And even from that, 'anti government' attacks are considered right wing, and 169 of those 'right wing' deaths are exclusively from the oklahoma city bombing.



and I even used a 'left biased' news source

Last twenty years is a long span, WTC accounts for most of those Islamist attack casualties anyways. I'm talking about right now


https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/wray-says-fbi-has-recorded-about-100-domestic-terrorism-arrests-in-fiscal-2019-and-most-investigations-involve-white-supremacy/2019/07/23/600d49a6-aca1-11e9-bc5c-e73b603e7f38_story.html?utm_term=.fba96bd66b55
https://www.fpri.org/article/2019/05/america-has-a-white-nationalist-terrorism-problem-what-should-we-do/

It's also on the rise in Europe
https://www.voanews.com/europe/european-security-chiefs-alarmed-threat-far-right-terrorism


there you go

Eric Cartman

snowblind wrote: »

Last twenty years is a long span, WTC accounts for most of those Islamist attack casualties anyways. I'm talking about right now


https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/wray-says-fbi-has-recorded-about-100-domestic-terrorism-arrests-in-fiscal-2019-and-most-investigations-involve-white-supremacy/2019/07/23/600d49a6-aca1-11e9-bc5c-e73b603e7f38_story.html?utm_term=.fba96bd66b55
https://www.fpri.org/article/2019/05/america-has-a-white-nationalist-terrorism-problem-what-should-we-do/

It's also on the rise in Europe
https://www.voanews.com/europe/european-security-chiefs-alarmed-threat-far-right-terrorism

"At a congressional hearing in May, the head of the FBI’s counterterrorism division testified that the bureau was investigating 850 domestic terrorism cases and that of those, about 40 percent involved racially motivated violent extremists. Most in that group, he said, were white supremacists."

40% of cases are race related, most of 40% are white supremacists, 850 arrests and white supremacists count for what 35% tops, a 'majority' indeed.

Considering america is 72% white and that being white is a necesity of being a white supremacist, they should be representing 72% of all extremism/terrorist cases, any less than that and some other group has to be massively over representing, the fact that white extremists are representing less than half of per capita parity in arrests says a lot about over representation in other groups.

snowblind

Eric Cartman wrote: »

"At a congressional hearing in May, the head of the FBI’s counterterrorism division testified that the bureau was investigating 850 domestic terrorism cases and that of those, about 40 percent involved racially motivated violent extremists. Most in that group, he said, were white supremacists."

40% of cases are race related, most of 40% are white supremacists, 850 arrests and white supremacists count for what 35% tops, a 'majority' indeed.

Sounds like they are major terrorist players with those figures. Antifa not even in there. See?

Also added this one there since ya probably won't read the articles fully, see what is happening?

Eric Cartman

snowblind wrote: »

Sounds like they are major terrorist players with those figures. Antifa not even in there. See?

Also added this one there since ya probably won't read the articles fully, see what is happening?

that table provides no figures, just gives a yes/no/less , picks the surprising BC/AD point of trumps campaign (shocker) and is a left wing think tank on par with turning point usa. come on, do better than that.

NKante

Antifa are absolute scum.

People arguing that "they haven't killed anyone" or "other groups hurt more people" are obviously morons. Two things can be true at once. Antifa are anti-democracy thugs and so are other groups.

20Cent

If it wasn't for antifa these far right marches would be getting bigger and more powerful. Instead they are getting smaller and weaker.

snowblind

snowblind wrote:

Last twenty years is a long span, WTC accounts for most of those Islamist attack casualties anyways. I'm talking about right now

Hahaha. My god.

20Cent

20Cent wrote:

If it wasn't for antifa these far right marches would be getting bigger and more powerful. Instead they are getting smaller and weaker.

That's delusional talk right there

NKante

20Cent wrote: »

If it wasn't for antifa these far right marches would be getting bigger and more powerful. Instead they are getting smaller and weaker.

As far as I've seen these far right marches having been a bunch of absolute losers walking about with torches.

Not smashing shops and attacking randoms.

Eric Cartman

20Cent wrote: »

If it wasn't for antifa these far right marches would be getting bigger and more powerful. Instead they are getting smaller and weaker.

Antifa has had 0 impact on the size of the far right in the US, it has been tiny for decades, the rise anecdotal and aside from protests like charlottesville and clashes more akin to football hooligans in the 80s between antifa and 'the far right' , antifa has done little more than attack people and try close events by the moderate right, who they scream nazi at.

Eric Cartman

Eric Cartman wrote:

Antifa has had 0 impact on the size of the far right in the US, it has been tiny for decades, the rise anecdotal and aside from protests like charlottesville and clashes more akin to football hooligans in the 80s between antifa and 'the far right' , antifa has done little more than attack people and try close events by the moderate right, who they scream nazi at.

Antifa call anything they don't like "far right" so it's not surprising they seem to think that the rise of the far right is a problem.

When an orthodox Jew and a flamboyant gay who is married to a black man are classed as nazis, you know your group are either idiotic or nefarious.

20Cent

Eric Cartman wrote: »

Antifa has had 0 impact on the size of the far right in the US, it has been tiny for decades, the rise anecdotal and aside from protests like charlottesville and clashes more akin to football hooligans in the 80s between antifa and 'the far right' , antifa has done little more than attack people and truy close events by the moderate right, who they scream nazi at.

Not really.
Groups that had quite large numbers can't get a crowd together now. Even Richard Spencer said antifa are beating them.

It won't be centrists or libertarians stopping the far right by "debating" them.

20Cent

20Cent wrote:

It won't be centrists or libertarians stopping the far right by "debating" them.

Violent suppression of others ideals. So anti-fascist.

BloodBath

From what I've seen it's mainly idiotic. Might be something nefarious going on behind the scenes to promote these groups though.

At least we can all sleep soundly at night knowing the brave heroes of antifa are protecting us all from fascists.

20Cent

Deleted User wrote: »

Antifa call anything they don't like "far right" so it's not surprising they seem to think that the rise of the far right is a problem.

When an orthodox Jew and a flamboyant gay who is married to a black man are classed as nazis, you know your group are either idiotic or nefarious.

Milo?

Explosive Video: Milo Yiannopoulos And White Supremacists At Karaoke
https://youtu.be/XLNLPIRS62g

Milo Yiannopoulous Bullies Transgender Student on Stage in the Name of Free Speech
https://youtu.be/h2oV1QKUMdM

snowblind

Deleted User wrote: »

Antifa call anything they don't like "far right" so it's not surprising they seem to think that the rise of the far right is a problem.

When an orthodox Jew and a flamboyant gay who is married to a black man are classed as nazis, you know your group are either idiotic or nefarious.

They are nazi enablers, they know exactly what they are doing and who they are working for. No one called them nazis, but they'll apologize for nazis any day any hour.

And Antifa has managed to shut down people like Milo, noplatforming works :pac:

notobtuse

20Cent wrote: »

Milo?

Explosive Video: Milo Yiannopoulos And White Supremacists At Karaoke
https://youtu.be/XLNLPIRS62g

Milo Yiannopoulous Bullies Transgender Student on Stage in the Name of Free Speech
https://youtu.be/h2oV1QKUMdM

Ah, now I understand. Because he sung karaoke that is offensive, while not participating in any violence, it gives a dozen of you the absolute right to beat him senseless with sticks and destroy any cars in the vicinity and burn shops that just happen to be located nearby. Glad for the clarification. Viva la collateral damage, right?

20Cent

notobtuse wrote: »

Ah, now I understand. Because he sung karaoke that is offensive, while not participating in any violence, it gives a dozen of you the absolute right to beat him senseless with sticks and destroy any cars in the vicinity and burn shops that just happen to be located nearby. Glad for the clarification. Viva la collateral damage, right?

Did you miss the lads in the audience doing nazi salutes?

NKante

20Cent wrote: »

Did you miss the lads in the audience doing nazi salutes?

Hate to break this to you, but in the US there is complete freedom of speech and expression as long as you're not calling for violence.

Whereas Antifa are smashing up shops, cars and random people. Including 120lbs soaking wet gay Asians.