Antifa [Mod Warning on post #1 - updated 08/08/19]

Brian?

20Cent wrote: »

I'm saying he is rabble rousing in order to create content to sell.
Build something up and film it.
It's a self fulfilling prophecy.
Real journalists don't do this.

He is indeed a rabble rouser.

I don’t agree with him getting beaten up, but that doesn’t make him a reliable source.

notobtuse

Brian? wrote: »

He is indeed a rabble rouser.

I don’t agree with him getting beaten up, but that doesn’t make him a reliable source.

How is he a rabble rouser? Real journalists did what they needed to do to get a story. The mainstream media still does this when it comes to republicans/right, but now provide cover for the left. The media bias shows they no longer deserve special protections under the US Constitution.

An interesting side note. A judge threw out a lawsuit by Nick Sandmann, the Covington kid that the Washington Post slandered. The decision might have powerful consequences as the judge pretty much based his opinion on the fact that media reporting is just opinion. Opinion shouldn't be provided special protections under the US Constitution.

Brian?

notobtuse wrote: »

It doesn’t appear like any of the three arrests were for the viscous beating of the journalist. One was for assaulting a public safety officer, one for harassment; one was charged with disorderly conduct and harassment.

Interesting. Must be no clear pictures of anyone assaulting Ngo. Otherwise they would have been arrested as demonstrated above.

Brian?

notobtuse wrote: »

How is he a rabble rouser? Real journalists did what they needed to do to get a story. The mainstream media still does this when it comes to republicans/right, but now provide cover for the left. The media bias shows they no longer deserve special protections under the US Constitution.

An interesting side note. A judge threw out a lawsuit by Nick Sandmann, the Covington kid that the Washington Post slandered. The decision might have powerful consequences as the judge pretty much based his opinion on the fact that media reporting is just opinion. Opinion shouldn't be provided special protections under the US Constitution.

20cent already explained how he’s a rabble rouser. I couldn’t be bothered explain it again.

Woodsie1

Brian? wrote: »

Interesting. Must be no clear pictures of anyone assaulting Ngo. Otherwise they would have been arrested as demonstrated above.

Or maybe they were masked up like the scum usually are.

notobtuse

Brian? wrote: »

Interesting. Must be no clear pictures of anyone assaulting Ngo. Otherwise they would have been arrested as demonstrated above.

There's video. Some were masked, some not. But I bet all the cowards, masked and unmasked and providing cover, know nothing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8WzMZxT-41k

notobtuse

Brian? wrote: »

20cent already explained how he’s a rabble rouser. I couldn’t be bothered explain it again.

Okay... Stick to the falsification, then.

Brian?

Woodsie1 wrote: »

Or maybe they were masked up like the scum usually are.

Probably. Which is probably the reason they weren’t arrested. Not some conspiracy by the Portland police to protect them.

Brian?

notobtuse wrote: »

There's video. Some were masked, some not. But I bet all the cowards, masked and unmasked and providing cover, know nothing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8WzMZxT-41k

Vicious thug, cowards. Gotcha.

Danzy

Jahangir Turan, guy from New York, beaten up for wearing his hat, touch and go if he l8ses h8s eye.

Far East Asians, Jews, Indians are all considered open season for ANTIFA. All considered part of the Capitalist class, even though many of them came from nothing. They often seem to hate them more for that.

It is nearly weekly now, they'll say all 90 pound of him was a violent Proud boy and a militant threat to every one.

notobtuse

Brian? wrote: »

Probably. Which is probably the reason they weren’t arrested. Not some conspiracy by the Portland police to protect them.

Wrong again. You must not have read about it, apparently, or chose to ignore it. He went to the police and asked them to do something about the attacks against him while they were going on. The police refused to help.

Brian?

notobtuse wrote: »

Wrong again. You must not have read about it, apparently, or chose to ignore it. He went to the police and asked them to do something about the attacks against him while they were going on. The police refused to help.

He’s not a reliable source. As shown earlier. I refuse to believe the police turned a blind eye to an attach without some actual evidence.

notobtuse

Brian? wrote: »

He’s not a reliable source. As shown earlier. I refuse to believe the police turned a blind eye to an attach without some actual evidence.

Refuse all you like. But it doesn't change things.

When milkshakes were dumped on Ngo, he said, he immediately reported it to police. In the first incident, he said, officers told him they wouldn’t approach the suspect, who was still in sight, because it could incite the crowd.

https://www.oregonlive.com/news/2019/07/conservative-writer-andy-ngo-details-attack-at-portland-protest.html

20Cent

notobtuse wrote: »

Wrong again. You must not have read about it, apparently, or chose to ignore it. He went to the police and asked them to do something about the attacks against him while they were going on. The police refused to help.

There's video of him going to the cops twice whinging about being "assaulted" ie milkshake thrown on him. They weren't interested. He had to go back into the middle of it a third time to get the footage he wanted.

notobtuse

20Cent wrote: »

There's video of him going to the cops twice whinging about being "assaulted" ie milkshake thrown on him. They weren't interested. He had to go back into the middle of it a third time to get the footage he wanted.

There was fears at the time those milkshakes thrown at him were laced with caustic cement. Regardless, you can't go about throwing milkshakes on people. Or do you contend anyone can throw milkshakes on anybody at any time and nothing should ever happen to them?

And getting the footage he wanted... just like any investigative journalist worth their salt would, eh?

20Cent

notobtuse wrote: »

There was fears at the time those milkshakes thrown at him were laced with caustic cement. Regardless, you can't go about throwing milkshakes on people. Or do you contend anyone can throw milkshakes on anybody at any time and nothing should ever happen to them?

And getting the footage he wanted... just like any investigative journalist worth their salt would, eh?

If a "journalist" put on a Man Utd Jersey and went into the a load of Liverpool fans talking sh1te. Someone would eventually give them a box. Is that investigative journalism? Or would people say what did he expect.

Overheal

notobtuse wrote: »

Refuse all you like. But it doesn't change things.



https://www.oregonlive.com/news/2019/07/conservative-writer-andy-ngo-details-attack-at-portland-protest.html

So, like many of the assaults that happened at Trump rallies where no charges were filed.

So the same logic applies, inciting the crowd.

notobtuse

20Cent wrote: »

If a "journalist" put on a Man Utd Jersey and went into the a load of Liverpool fans talking sh1te. Someone would eventually give them a box. Is that investigative journalism? Or would people say what did he expect.

So, what the journalist wearing?

If an investigative journalist shows up at your house with cameras because you are accused of wrongdoing, do you think he's there for tea?

20Cent

notobtuse wrote: »

So, what the journalist wearing?

If an investigative journalist shows up at your house with cameras because you are accused of wrongdoing, do you think he's there for tea?

Once again no idea of the point you are trying to make.

20Cent

White supremacists were on the rise after trumps win. They were growing a d getting more powerful. They were halted and defeated by antifa. Says Richard Spencer.

https://twitter.com/IGD_News/status/1157431843563683840?s=19

Danzy

20Cent wrote: »

White supremacists were on the rise after trumps win. They were growing a d getting more powerful. They were halted and defeated by antifa. Says Richard Spencer.

https://twitter.com/IGD_News/status/1157431843563683840?s=19

A power struggle between authoritarian scum, now to smash the remnant scum in ANTIFA, internal feuding between radical left and radical right has long been a thing.

Outlaw Pete

20Cent wrote: »

White supremacists were on the rise after trumps win.

Enough with this nonsense. They were on the rise long before Trump's win:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YRKrOcCmgxQ

Violence in Sacramento shows old and new faces of white extremism

The Traditionalist Worker Party is a white nationalist group emblematic of a surge in “intellectual racism” that has pervaded across extremist circles in the last decade. The group they held the rally in conjunction with -- the Golden State Skinheads -- are among California’s oldest, largest, and most violent white supremacist organizations, experts say.

White supremacy: The new national security threat

While Muslim-Americans are policed to the teeth, white supremacist groups have operated with relative freedom and impunity. The lack of policing, and indeed, media attention, created a fertile landscape for their proliferation, and as evidenced in Oak Creek on August 5 and the burning of a mosque in Joplin, Missouri a day later, a realisation of their racist and xenophobic agenda.

The greatest terrorist threat is the one we rarely talk about

The data suggests that attacks by white supremacists are becoming more common: Of the 48 who have died at the hands of right-wing radicals since 9/11, 45 have lost their lives since Barack Obama became president.

Mark Potok of the Southern Poverty Law Center said that isn’t a coincidence.

“The growth of these movements is more or less a direct result of the election of Barrack Obama and what it represents,” Potok told msnbc. “And what it represents is the coming disappearance of a white majority in the United States. We are living through a serious backlash, and people will die as result.”

If anything, the actions and words of Donald Trump anger neo-nazis. He condemns them for a start, often insults them, and many of his policies benefit people of colour, and deliberately so. He also speaks out against anti-semitism. I mean, what world are the left living in that they would see Donald Trump as being an ally to the far right?

The truth is that right wing violence was on the rise under Obama and he did little to dispel it in his eight years. Eight years which were filled with multiple examples of right wing violence, from the Colorado cinema shooting, the Sikh temple shooting, to the Charleston church shooting and on and on.

It's pathetic to keep on trying to suggest that all was wine and roses during the Obama administration, everyone singing kumbaya before bed, and then suddenly Trump appeared on the horizon and division was born. Give me a break. If anything that man divided America on race more than any other president in recent history.

Obama's America:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FCPVlw92UdU

20Cent

Danzy wrote: »

A power struggle between authoritarian scum, now to smash the remnant scum in ANTIFA, internal feuding between radical left and radical right has long been a thing.

Wut?

20Cent

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

Enough with this nonsense. They were on the rise long before Trump's win:


If anything, the actions and words of Donald Trump anger neo-nazis. He condemns them for a start, often insults them, and many of his policies benefit people of colour, and deliberately so. He also speaks out against anti-semitism. I mean, what world are the left living in that they would see Donald Trump as being an ally to the far right?

The truth is that right wing violence was on the rise under Obama and he did little to dispel it in his eight years. Eight years which were filled with multiple examples of right wing violence, from the Colorado cinema shooting, the Sikh temple shooting, to the Charleston church shooting and on and on.

It's pathetic to keep on trying to suggest that all was wine and roses during the Obama administration, everyone singing kumbaya before bed, and then suddenly Trump appeared on the horizon and division was born. Give me a break. If anything that man divided America on race more than any other president in recent history.

Obama's America:

There should be a bot that posts, But Obama..... after every 10 posts.

Brian?

Danzy wrote: »

A power struggle between authoritarian scum, now to smash the remnant scum in ANTIFA, internal feuding between radical left and radical right has long been a thing.

Internal feuding between who?

hetuzozaho

20Cent wrote: »

There should be a bot that posts, But Obama..... after every 10 posts.

I think there might be

snowblind

White supremacist mass shooting yesterday in Texas targeting latin americans: 20 dead
Mass shooting today: we'll see if it fits the pattern. There is only one pattern though
Antifa: still no threat to life

p1akuw47h5r3it

snowblind wrote: »

White supremacist mass shooting yesterday in Texas targeting latin americans: 20 dead
Mass shooting today: we'll see if it fits the pattern. There is only one pattern though
Antifa: still no threat to life

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/jul/14/man-dies-as-police-shootout-follows-firebomb-attack-on-immigration-centre

https://www.foxnews.com/us/washington-man-killed-at-ice-detention-center-manifesto

Another friend, Deb Bartley, told the Seattle Times, however, that Van Spronsen was an anarchist and anti-fascist who, she believed, attacked the detention center intending to provoke a fatal conflict.

Van Spronsen was armed with a rifle and incendiary devices when he launched his assault on the Northwest Detention Center in Tacoma around 4 a.m. Saturday, according to the Tacoma Police Department. Employees reported he was throwing 'incendiary devices' and setting vehicles on fire and the first officers on the scene said he was wearing a sachet and carrying flares.

Try again.

klaaaz

DanDan6592 wrote: »

Try again.

Who did he kill? Any civilians massacred for being of a different race?

p1akuw47h5r3it

klaaaz wrote: »

Who did he kill? Any civilians massacred for being of a different race?

The poster said "still no threat to life". There was a threat to life in that instance. Indeed he himself was killed.