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Antifa [Mod Warning on post #1 - updated 08/08/19]

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    #2792
    klaaaz
    Registered Users Posts: 1,628 ✭✭✭klaaaz


    notobtuse wrote: »
    The Dayton shooter was a Satanist, leftist-socialist, Sanders/Warren fan, and supported Antifa.
    https://www.redstate.com/bonchie/2019/08/04/dayton-shooter-leftist-elizabeth-warren-fan/

    Quoting an ultra conservative website which is like a blog shows you up with your conservative bias.


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    #2793
    notobtuse
    Registered Users Posts: 5,424 ✭✭✭notobtuse


    klaaaz wrote: »
    Quoting an ultra conservative website which is like a blog shows you up with your conservative bias.
    Yes, I have a conservative bias. Never said I didn't. I also read liberal biased publications. Best to read both kinds in order to get a clearer picture of any story.

    I also showed a conservative website story that put the right wing killer in TX in a terrible light. I noticed you were silent on that.

    Do you have any information to show the article you dislike is incorrect? Or do you just like to hate a political side?

    You can ignorantly accuse me of "whataboutism," but what it really is involves identifying similar scenarios in order to see if it holds up when the shoe is on the other foot!



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    #2794
    notobtuse
    Registered Users Posts: 5,424 ✭✭✭notobtuse


    20Cent wrote: »
    Antifa derangement syndrome is peaking trying to link the Dayton shooter to them. No serious newspapers are just the far right who amplify the views of the El Paso killer.

    This country would be far better off without the likes of white supremacists or Antifa... both of whom are deranged.

    You can ignorantly accuse me of "whataboutism," but what it really is involves identifying similar scenarios in order to see if it holds up when the shoe is on the other foot!



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    #2795
    p1akuw47h5r3it
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,001 ✭✭✭p1akuw47h5r3it


    Brian? wrote: »
    Link to it so.

    https://heavy.com/news/2019/08/connor-betts-twitter-politics-social-media/
    He railed against the police, QAnon conspiracy theories, and white supremacists.
    On the Twitter page, Connor Betts indicated he’d vote for Elizabeth Warren for president but not Kamala Harris, responding to a person’s tweet suggesting they be co-presidents. “Nahh, but only cuz Harris is a cop – Warren I’d happily vote for,” he wrote.
    He shared a post that showed Donald Trump and referred to a global fascist movement:

    https://offgridsurvival.com/was-the-ohio-mass-shooting-an-antifa-terror-attack-shooter-was-radical-antifa-activist/ (this website has a right-wing bias to it judging by the opening paragraph but still screen-shots the tweets referencing anti-Fa)
    One of his Twitter replys shows the account replying to a Tweet asking if the Oregon shooter, a man who went into the Tecoma, Washington ICE detainment facility, was a martyr or a villain. He replies, “martyr.

    The man in question was ofcourse an anti-Fa member
    He also posted Antifa literature and a cryptic post about being (sic) Antifa terror cells being activated .


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    #2796
    lawlolawl
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,678 ✭✭✭lawlolawl


    Brian? wrote: »
    So give up and do nothing?

    I dunno man, what do you even do at this stage?

    They'll never be able to ban guns over there and any restrictions on attachments/modifications are easily gotten around.

    The whole situation is ****ed.


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    #2797
    p1akuw47h5r3it
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    notobtuse wrote: »
    This country would be far better off without the likes of white supremacists or Antifa... both of whom are deranged.

    It's amazing that they will happily (and rightly) criticise right-wing extremists but won't do the same the for the left-wing variety as it's "their" side.


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    #2798
    p1akuw47h5r3it
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,001 ✭✭✭p1akuw47h5r3it


    lawlolawl wrote: »
    I dunno man, what do you even do at this stage?

    They'll never be able to ban guns over there and any restrictions on attachments/modifications are easily gotten around.

    The whole situation is ****ed.

    Probably a bit too simplistic but could they not heavily increase the tax on ammunition and guns to make them less attractive to have?

    I do feel it's a bit of a lost cause however when you have people who believe they need guns in case they need to essentially rise up against the government, as if they're rifle is going to be a match for an M1 Abrams or the arsenal of weapons the US military has.


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    #2799
    Brian?
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    DanDan6592 wrote: »
    It's amazing that they will happily (and rightly) criticise right-wing extremists but won't do the same the for the left-wing variety as it's "their" side.

    I've constantly criticised Antifa's use of violence in this thread. While right posters constantly ignore this an pontificate.

    they/them/theirs


    And so on, and so on …. - Slavoj Žižek




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    #2800
    Sweetemotion
    Registered Users Posts: 2,502 ✭✭✭Sweetemotion


    20Cent wrote: »
    Antifa derangement syndrome is peaking trying to link the Dayton shooter to them. No serious newspapers are just the far right who amplify the views of the El Paso killer.

    It was only a matter of time before they killed some people.

    This guy was probably listening to same grifters as yourself in a little echo camber on the internet, telling him that Nazis are everywhere and we have to have to fight them.


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    #2801
    biko
    Registered Users Posts: 81,220 ✭✭✭✭biko


    20Cent wrote: »
    Antifa derangement syndrome is peaking trying to link the Dayton shooter to them.
    Copying "Trump Derangement Syndrome"? How uncreative.


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    #2802
    lawlolawl
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,678 ✭✭✭lawlolawl


    DanDan6592 wrote: »
    Probably a bit too simplistic but could they not heavily increase the tax on ammunition and guns to make them less attractive to have?

    I do feel it's a bit of a lost cause however when you have people who believe they need guns in case they need to essentially rise up against the government, as if they're rifle is going to be a match for an M1 Abrams or the arsenal of weapons the US military has.

    This might help going forward but your still have something like 400 million guns out there and billions of rounds of ammo.

    Plus, firearms enthusiasts often make their own ammo nowadays. I suppose you could tax the materials needed to do this.


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    #2803
    biko
    Registered Users Posts: 81,220 ✭✭✭✭biko


    Connor Betts: the socialist who killed his own sister.


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    #2804
    Sweetemotion
    Registered Users Posts: 2,502 ✭✭✭Sweetemotion


    Willem Von Spronsen: The socialist who attempted to free illegal immigrants from a detention center by trying to blow it up.


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    #2805
    Billy Mays
    Registered Users Posts: 3,237 ✭✭✭Billy Mays


    The desperation of right wingers on here trying to convince themselves the Ohio shooter's actions were inspired by Antifa.

    6 of the people he shot and killed were black. Doesn't sound to me like the actions of someone indoctrinated by left wing ideology


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    #2806
    Sweetemotion
    Registered Users Posts: 2,502 ✭✭✭Sweetemotion


    Brian? wrote: »
    I've constantly criticised Antifa's use of violence in this thread. While right posters constantly ignore this an pontificate.

    That's such a cope out answer.


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    #2807
    klaaaz
    Registered Users Posts: 1,628 ✭✭✭klaaaz


    biko wrote: »
    Connor Betts: the socialist who killed his own sister.

    He killed 6 blacks and hates women, sounds like a member of the right.

    What have you got against socialism with your tacit support for billionaires who control the vast majority of wealth?


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    #2808
    p1akuw47h5r3it
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,001 ✭✭✭p1akuw47h5r3it


    Brian? wrote: »
    I've constantly criticised Antifa's use of violence in this thread. While right posters constantly ignore this an pontificate.

    Then what is stopping you criticising them outright then, and why do you constantly like the posts of supporters of Anti-fa? They solely exist to stop fascism (or what they see as fascism) through a violent means, it's there raison d'etre. They're militants.


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    #2809
    p1akuw47h5r3it
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,001 ✭✭✭p1akuw47h5r3it


    klaaaz wrote: »
    He killed 6 blacks and hates women, sounds like a member of the right.

    What have you got against socialism with your tacit support for billionaires who control the vast majority of wealth?

    Except he was a member of the left, a registered Democrat supposedly.


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    #2810
    klaaaz
    Registered Users Posts: 1,628 ✭✭✭klaaaz


    DanDan6592 wrote: »
    Except he was a member of the left, a registered Democrat supposedly.

    Oh DanDan, you went very quiet with your allegation of the motives of the shooter earlier without any proof, welcome back.

    Proof of your latest allegation?


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    #2811
    Brian?
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 21,436 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    Sweetemotion wrote: »
    That's such a cope out answer.

    How exactly is that a cop out?

    they/them/theirs


    And so on, and so on …. - Slavoj Žižek




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    #2812
    Ironicname
    Registered Users Posts: 1,177 ✭✭✭Ironicname


    klaaaz wrote:
    He killed 6 blacks and hates women, sounds like a member of the right.

    If that's what you assume people "on the right" are, then I'm sorry, you are as intolerant and as much of a bigot than those you claim to oppose.

    Disgusting post.


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    #2813
    p1akuw47h5r3it
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,001 ✭✭✭p1akuw47h5r3it


    klaaaz wrote: »
    Oh DanDan, you went very quiet with your allegation of the motives of the shooter earlier without any proof, welcome back.

    Proof of your latest allegation?

    I went outside...into the real world!

    https://granitegrok.com/blog/2019/08/ohio-mass-murderer-connor-betts-was-a-registered-democrat-with-a-thing-for-satan
    Big League Politics is reporting, with screen grabs, that Connor Betts,

    “…the alleged mass shooter who killed at least 9 people in an entertainment district of Dayton, Ohio earlier today was a registered Democrat who has voted in 7 previous elections, including two Democratic Primaries. Betts was killed during the altercation with police.”

    The quoted report includes links to the secretary of state’s web site. It confirms his name and address but details linked to his name have been blocked.

    The Greene County Board of Elections link is still active. (You’ll need to know that county name to confirm the address, which matches the Secretary of State site). The Greene County Board link confirms that Connor is a registered Democrat.

    I presume that since this isn't your beloved CNN though that it can't be true.

    https://bigleaguepolitics.com/breaking-ohio-mass-shooter-is-registered-democrat-voted-in-2-dem-primaries/


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    #2814
    p1akuw47h5r3it
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,001 ✭✭✭p1akuw47h5r3it


    Brian? wrote: »
    How exactly is that a cop out?

    Because they exist to be violent, they're militants.


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    #2815
    Brian?
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 21,436 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    DanDan6592 wrote: »
    Then what is stopping you criticising them outright then, and why do you constantly like the posts of supporters of Anti-fa? They solely exist to stop fascism (or what they see as fascism) through a violent means, it's there raison d'etre. They're militants.

    I’ve explained this over and over again. I am anti Fascist so I support the stated goal of opposing fascism.

    I draw the line at violence though. If they commit violent acts they should be arrested and punished.

    It’s perfectly logical to hold both opinions.

    I’ve also explained that Antifa is not a cohesive organisation. It’s not a single unified entity. It’s a broad coalition. So I can’t really condemn Antifa outright.

    Up until now, the violence perpetrated by Antifa has been a low level threat, way overstated by the right. Now, Antifa need to do something. I want prominent members to come out and utterly condemn this shooting and do
    Something to prevent a repeat. If they don’t, I won’t defend them anymore.

    they/them/theirs


    And so on, and so on …. - Slavoj Žižek




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    #2816
    Billy Mays
    Registered Users Posts: 3,237 ✭✭✭Billy Mays


    What has him being a registered democrat got to do with him carrying out the shooting?


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    #2817
    Brian?
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 21,436 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    DanDan6592 wrote: »
    Because they exist to be violent, they're militants.

    They don’t exist to be violent as far as I can see. They exist solely as a counter point to the far right.

    they/them/theirs


    And so on, and so on …. - Slavoj Žižek




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    #2818
    Brian?
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 21,436 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    Billy Mays wrote: »
    What has him being a registered democrat got to do with him carrying out the shooting?

    Probably nothing. Posters are trying to draw a false equivalency with the Dallas shooter. Because that way it proves their point that Antifa are evil.

    they/them/theirs


    And so on, and so on …. - Slavoj Žižek




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    #2819
    notobtuse
    Registered Users Posts: 5,424 ✭✭✭notobtuse


    klaaaz wrote: »
    He killed 6 blacks and hates women, sounds like a member of the right.
    Bullcrap. By your thinking the El Paso shooter wanted universal healthcare and a guaranteed income therefore making him a member of the left. But it's just as wrong and none of that matters… Bottom line is both shooters were crazy and their threat to society was known before the killings occurred, but because we continue to focus only on ineffective gun control measures they will continue.

    You can ignorantly accuse me of "whataboutism," but what it really is involves identifying similar scenarios in order to see if it holds up when the shoe is on the other foot!



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    #2820
    Brian?
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 21,436 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    notobtuse wrote: »
    Bullcrap. By your thinking the El Paso shooter wanted universal healthcare and a guaranteed income therefore making him a member of the left. But it's just as wrong and none of that matters… Bottom line is both shooters were crazy and their threat to society was known before the killings occurred, but because we continue to focus only on ineffective gun control measures they will continue.

    I kind of agree. Except to describe both shooter as crazy almost excuses them morally. They needed help and didn’t get it. There is something broken in US society, way beyond left/right politics and gun control.

    To simply say they were crazy means no one will actually ge to the root cause of why they did what they did.

    they/them/theirs


    And so on, and so on …. - Slavoj Žižek




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    #2821
    notobtuse
    Registered Users Posts: 5,424 ✭✭✭notobtuse


    Brian? wrote: »
    They don’t exist to be violent as far as I can see. They exist solely as a counter point to the far right.
    Is running around in masked costumes to avoid being recognized, smashing windows, destroying personal property, and beating people senseless that they don’t agree with or like the looks of, in the name of fighting the far right an example of doing good?

    You can ignorantly accuse me of "whataboutism," but what it really is involves identifying similar scenarios in order to see if it holds up when the shoe is on the other foot!



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