Antifa [Mod Warning on post #1 - updated 08/08/19]

Spleerbun

Brian? wrote: »

You’re not fascist for being proud of your heritage. You’re a bigot if you believe that your heritage is inherently superior to Everyone else’s and believe they should conform to yours.

Whatever about being superior, I don't think that believing that people should conform to the culture of the country they are in is bigoted. Unless you mean something else and I've misunderstood, but if not then that's a ridiculous thing to say imo

Brian?

Spleerbun wrote: »

Whatever about being superior, I don't think that believing that people should conform to the culture of the country they are in is bigoted. Unless you mean something else and I've misunderstood, but if not then that's a ridiculous thing to say imo

Replying to both you and the one above. Within your country it’s reasonable to expect people to speak the same language and obey the laws.

James Brown

Ironicname wrote: »

That is a joke. Founded on the premise that men shouldn't be reliant on porn.



That is interesting. Can you pinpoint which he is? I find him to be funny.

In your opinion,

does making gay jokes make you homophobic?

Does making Madeleine McCann jokes make you pro child abduction?

Does making Nazi jokes make you a Nazi?

Does saying something unpalatable make you a monster?

Does someone's speech need to tie into their beliefs or does context matter?

Will you disown someone who has what you view to be "problematic" opinions?

Am I fascist if I believe that it's ok to be proud of my heritage?

If you set up an organisation to promote such things, yes.
You can prefer being among your own ethnic group/race. I've no issues with that myself. It's when you put one race/skin colour above another that we begin to see problems. Keeping something like a country white means treating non-white as a lesser thing.

Hobosan

Brian? wrote: »

You’re a bigot if you believe that your heritage is inherently superior to Everyone else’s and believe they should conform to yours.

True enough.

However, by believing these bigots should conform to another set of principles would in itself be an act of bigotry; since as you stated above, you'd believe your heritage is superior and they need to conform to yours.

And that's exactly how these views have played out and will continue to play out until at the very least, the human species becomes extinct.

Hooray!

Hobosan

Matt Barrett wrote: »

If you set up an organisation to promote such things, yes.
You can prefer being among your own ethnic group/race. I've no issues with that myself. It's when you put one race/skin colour above another that we begin to see problems. Keeping something like a country white means treating non-white as a lesser thing.

You should explain that to those North Sentinalese islanders. They could really do with the lesson. I recommend an armoured suit at minimum if you choose to head out their.

They're extremely hostile to other races.

marieholmfan

Who gives a sh.t about Andy Ngo

DanDan6592 wrote: »

Nope you said, "still no threat to life". I've quoted what you've said on numerous occasions, but sure I'll do it again.:



This is disproven based of the lad who tried to Bomb an ICE centre, and by what happened to the likes of Andy Ngo. The fact that we've had an Anti-fa supporter murder nearly a dozen people now doesn't quite help the image.



Never said Anti-fa are worse, link to were I did. I think both are a pack of bellends. But look, considering you don't even know what you said yourself, how could you even begin to know what I've said.

Chris_Heilong

Ironicname wrote: »

That is a joke. Founded on the premise that men shouldn't be reliant on porn.



That is interesting. Can you pinpoint which he is? I find him to be funny.

In your opinion,

does making gay jokes make you homophobic?

Does making Madeleine McCann jokes make you pro child abduction?

Does making Nazi jokes make you a Nazi?

Does saying something unpalatable make you a monster?

Does someone's speech need to tie into their beliefs or does context matter?

Will you disown someone who has what you view to be "problematic" opinions?

Am I fascist if I believe that it's ok to be proud of my heritage?

Nicely said, it is actually more racist/discriminatory to look down and treat minorities like children. Treat others as you wish to be treated.
Learn to live in the world with the rest of us and stop trying to burn it down or radically change it, but the kind of people who become antifa are not happy people and always think ill intent is behind everything their opponents say which is a sad way to live. The same few keep defending the "virtues" of antifa but just because you guys keep repeating it will never make it true.

p1akuw47h5r3it

marieholmfan wrote: »

Who gives a sh.t about Andy Ngo

You obviously.

Ironicname

Brian? wrote:

Are you sure? I’d l

Yes.

Brian? wrote:

He’s about as funny as cancer.

Cancer is funny to some people. Frankie Boyle made plenty of "hilarious" jokes about it before he decided he needed to be on telly so became left wing.

Brian? wrote:

An interesting aside, do you consider yourself to be white first and then Irish or Irish first?

I'm neither first. I just am both. One is as equally important/redundant as the other

Overheal

Spleerbun wrote: »

Whatever about being superior, I don't think that believing that people should conform to the culture of the country they are in is bigoted. Unless you mean something else and I've misunderstood, but if not then that's a ridiculous thing to say imo

The culture is individual liberty?

Ironicname

I've asked this question but nobody has chosen to answer it:

Is it ok to be outspokenly proud of being white and to be proud of your western heritage in the same way that it is ok to be proud of being black and being proud of your African heritage?

Overheal

Ironicname wrote: »

I've asked this question but nobody has chosen to answer it:

Is it ok to be outspokenly proud of being white and to be proud of your western heritage in the same way that it is ok to be proud of being black and being proud of your African heritage?

Yes it’s called Baseball

Ironicname

Overheal wrote:

Yes it’s called Baseball

I'm sure that was funny to you. I don't get the reference though, and still haven't been answered.

Overheal

Ironicname wrote: »

I'm sure that was funny to you. I don't get the reference though, and still haven't been answered.

And western in your question is..?

Ironicname

Overheal wrote:

And western in your question is..?

I did a quick Google as I am pretty sure you are trying to "gotcha" me but I got this:

Democracy

Rational thinking

Individualism

Christianity

Capitalism

Modern technology

Human rights

Scientific thinking

And apart from Christianity, I think it's pretty much accurate

Brian?

Ironicname wrote: »

I've asked this question but nobody has chosen to answer it:

Is it ok to be outspokenly proud of being white and to be proud of your western heritage in the same way that it is ok to be proud of being black and being proud of your African heritage?

I answered already.

Overheal

Ironicname wrote: »

I did a quick Google as I am pretty sure you are trying to "gotcha" me but I got this:

Democracy

Rational thinking

Individualism

Christianity

Capitalism

Modern technology

Human rights

Scientific thinking

And apart from Christianity, I think it's pretty much accurate

No gotcha just want a well defined question.

From what I can see: several of the above things you listed are not mutually exclusive with “African heritage” so I am indeed flummoxed. Heck even Arabia is responsible for Algebra, so I don’t see how western culture has a monopoly on scientific thinking.

Ironicname

Overheal wrote:

From what I can see: several of the above things you listed are not mutually exclusive with “African heritage†so I am indeed flummoxed. Heck even Arabia is responsible for Algebra, so I don’t see how western culture has a monopoly on scientific thinking.

I suppose you're right then. There is no such thing as western culture.

20Cent

The west usually refers to Europe and North America.
And by that they mean white people.

Overheal

20Cent wrote: »

The west usually refers to Europe and North America.
And by that they mean white people.

See that at least is on parity with “African heritage” and yes, if you’ve ever been to Oktoberfest, there is definitely room to be proudly “white” under this blood-from-a-stone definition of whiteness and white culture. Just as there is room to be proudly Irish, proudly British, proudly Canadian, etc.

Franz Von Peppercorn II

Ironicname wrote: »

I did a quick Google as I am pretty sure you are trying to "gotcha" me but I got this:

Democracy

Rational thinking

Individualism

Christianity

Capitalism

Modern technology

Human rights

Scientific thinking

And apart from Christianity, I think it's pretty much accurate

None of those are specific to individual European states or regions or anything like that even if they originated in Europe. They are largely universal belief systems believed by a few European elites and exported around the world. Japan largely subscribes to all of them now. Many other countries do.

It’s interesting that you exclude Christianity as a cultural force in Europe as it’s clearly shaped Europe until well into the 20th C.

TheRepentent

Overheal wrote: »

Yes it’s called Baseball

American cricket.....

The Late Late Show

The recent shootings in America seem to now represent the very worst of both the far right and the far left. The one in El Paso is the FR and the one in Ohio is the FL it would seem. I think now is the time for America to do something about all the violence and stop groups like Antifa and Proud Boys stirring up trouble that leads to violence.

quokula

The Late Late Show wrote: »

The recent shootings in America seem to now represent the very worst of both the far right and the far left. The one in El Paso is the FR and the one in Ohio is the FL it would seem. I think now is the time for America to do something about all the violence and stop groups like Antifa and Proud Boys stirring up trouble that leads to violence.

The shooting in El Paso was a targeted attack by a member of the far right on people the far right regularly cite as enemies, with a far right manifesto being published by the killer to coincide with his far right attack, published on a site that has been implicated with the radicalisation of other previous far right mass shooters.

The shooting in Ohio was an attack of unknown motive, made by a person who in the past has retweeted left-leaning tweets such as advocating for the availability of healthcare. Given that one of the victims was his own sister it was likely to be some kind of personal vendetta but the motive is unknown. The twitter account that shows him to be a "leftist" also shows him to be a fan of Anime and Heavy Metal, either of which are just as likely to have driven him to the shooting as being left wing, given that there was no kind of political link to the attack and the victims were not in any way enemies of the left, unlike the indisputably far right mass killing in El Paso.

It's incredibly disturbing to see so many far right wingers try to create some kind of false equivalency to score points, rather than admit that their disgusting ideology drove one of their supporters to kill numerous innocent people purely because of their race, and a lot of media outlets have allowed them to spread this nonsense so people who just take a cursory glance at the headlines actually think there was some kind of political equivalency.

hill16bhoy

The Late Late Show wrote: »

The recent shootings in America seem to now represent the very worst of both the far right and the far left. The one in El Paso is the FR and the one in Ohio is the FL it would seem. I think now is the time for America to do something about all the violence and stop groups like Antifa and Proud Boys stirring up trouble that leads to violence.

Try and get your facts right before posting.

There was no left wing motive whatsoever for the Dayton shooting.

There was however a far right motive for the El Paso shooting, one which was explicit and published online.

There is no major problem with left-wing terrorism in America, whereas there very much is a major problem with far right terrorism.

The facts very much bear this out.

hill16bhoy

quokula wrote: »

It's incredibly disturbing to see so many far right wingers try to create some kind of false equivalency to score points, rather than admit that their disgusting ideology drove one of their supporters to kill numerous innocent people purely because of their race, and a lot of media outlets have allowed them to spread this nonsense so people who just take a cursory glance at the headlines actually think there was some kind of political equivalency.

They are doing so to protect and promote that ideology of white supremacism, an ideology which is wholly illegitimate, based on no "legitimate grivances" whatsoever, only outright race hatred, and is a malignant cancer in the US and elsewhere.

Brian?

Ironicname wrote: »

Yes.



Cancer is funny to some people. Frankie Boyle made plenty of "hilarious" jokes about it before he decided he needed to be on telly so became left wing.



I'm neither first. I just am both. One is as equally important/redundant as the other

I actually don't understand how you can be proud to be white and proud to be Irish, it seems pretty contradictory.

For example, out shared history with the English. I assume you'd also consider them to be white. Yet these white people didn't their best to exterminate your ancestors through war and famine.

They treated your white ancestors like animals, even shipping some off to the Caribbean and North American colonies as indentured servants.

I've no problem with people feeling pride in their heritage, but being white isn't your heritage or mine. Irish people weren't really considered on a par with the English, Germans, Dutch and Scandinavians in the US until the 1960s. Earlier than that the British ruling class considered Irish people as expendable sub humans, mostly.

I suppose being "white" is an odd thing for an Irish person to be proud of, "white" people did us more harm than anyone else.

20Cent

White pride means I think I'm better than black people basically.

SexBobomb

Wait, wait, wait..... I'm not white ?

ohnonotgmail

SexBobomb wrote: »

Wait, wait, wait..... I'm not white ?

surely you can figure that out for yourself?