DCC take back bin collections

fritzelly

https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/dublin-city-council-vote-to-take-charge-of-bin-service-934187.html

Assume when the current contracts end, not much detail
Will subsidies be brought back? Will it stop all the dumping (unlikely)?

loyatemu

fritzelly wrote: »

https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/dublin-city-council-vote-to-take-charge-of-bin-service-934187.html

Assume when the current contracts end, not much detail
Will subsidies be brought back? Will it stop all the dumping (unlikely)?

I assume they'll just subcontract it out and take over the billing and scheduling side? They're hardly likely to buy new trucks and hire a load of binmen...

El_Bee

Weird how there's like 3 competing bin companies and prices only went up.

odyssey06

I hope the Council has received good legal advice on this one.

When they 'privatised' collections, they actually sold an asset to the different companies.
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/not-so-seamless-transition-as-dublin-city-council-makes-hames-of-greyhound-transfer-1.456979

They may have to compensate the bin companies, not just incur the costs of providing services themselves.

fritzelly

loyatemu wrote: »

I assume they'll just subcontract it out and take over the billing and scheduling side? They're hardly likely to buy new trucks and hire a load of binmen...

Like the NTA?
Greyhound are useless, constantly not bothering to come down my street,

L1011

I'd expect a single operator tender rather than the council hiring staff directly.

Marcusm

L1011 wrote: »

I'd expect a single operator tender rather than the council hiring staff directly.

Exactly, competition for the market rather than competition in the market. Sensibly, the DCC areas should be split up into 4-6 districts and run a price based competition for each. I have found it idiotic that there are three different lorries entering the road each week duplicating routes and wastefully causing congestion.

All that being said, i’m Very happy with City Bin Co’s service and I hope some of their innovations are retained. Fixed pricing with excess charges for excess weight rather than per lift per kg charges. Also, the monthly statement on weights encouraging more progress in recycling.

Gael23

Where is the rubbish tip for Dublin’s waste these days?

imme

Gael23 wrote: »

Where is the rubbish tip for Dublin’s waste these days?

Burn
Baby
Burn

Gael23

imme wrote: »

Burn
Baby
Burn

I didnt know that place was open. Better than having it languish in the ground I guess

L1011

Gael23 wrote: »

I didnt know that place was open. Better than having it languish in the ground I guess

Running for years. The steam plume is quite visible

Also one in Duleek operating currently.

fly_agaric

Gael23 wrote: »

I didnt know that place was open. Better than having it languish in the ground I guess

Not sure what Dublin would be reduced to doing with it if central govt. (Greens?) had got their way and stopped that incinerator from opening!
The mind boggles...

hmmm

So in essence the "won't pay" crowd will have won yet again - because someone has to pay for this, and it'll be the usual group who will shoulder the expense. I like my private bin collection, it is a considerably better service than I used to receive from the council.

fly_agaric

I've found it worse [since privatisation] really (mainly for reasons given by others above).

hmmm wrote: »

So in essence the "won't pay" crowd will have won yet again - because someone has to pay for this, and it'll be the usual group who will shoulder the expense.

I doubt city council would have budget to take control again (which will cost money, maybe quite alot of money??) and also make it free to use.
I expect we will still have to pay (DCC, rather than a company) similar to the situation before the waste collection was handed over to the private companies entirely.
Hopefully the negative experience of a full privatisation will put the PBP/solidarity and Sinn Fein off backing new "anti bin charges" protests and "no pay" campaigns and the like this time around.

uck51js9zml2yt

Gael23 wrote: »

Where is the rubbish tip for Dublin’s waste these days?

Mayo I believe

salmocab

Zelda Billions Hermit wrote: »

Mayo I believe

Environmentally that’s not great, why truck it that far when the road already passes through Meath.

Gael23

salmocab wrote: »

Environmentally that’s not great, why truck it that far when the road already passes through Meath.

Are you suggesting Meath should be turned into one big landfill for Dublin’s detritus?😀

salmocab

Gael23 wrote: »

Are you suggesting Meath should be turned into one big landfill for Dublin’s detritus?😀

Yes

cgcsb

Gael23 wrote: »

Where is the rubbish tip for Dublin’s waste these days?

It's been a while since there's been such a thing.

cgcsb

Privatising such a critical function was a really bad thatcherite decision. As we've seen Greyhound just dump it anywhere and empty all the brown bins into the general waste truck.

Dublin has to be the dirtiest capital in Europe, perhaps with the exception of Lisbon and Athens. It's very embarrassing, even on the main shopping streets you have shops leaving their waste outside, leaving their cardboard to get soaked and become unrecycleable, and that's legalised littering, the illegal type is even worse.

hmmm

fly_agaric wrote: »

Hopefully the negative experience of a full privatisation will put the PBP/solidarity and Sinn Fein off backing new "anti bin charges" protests and "no pay" campaigns and the like this time around.

You're having a laugh, of course they won't be paying - if they're willing to go out of their way to dump their rubbish in a nearby cul de sac, they're not going to be buying and attaching bin tags.

El_Bee

The people who throw their rubbish out onto the street will never pay, I think catering to them will push more people into their way of thinking.

Stephen15

Could be run in a similar to how Go-Ahead recently started running certain Dublin Bus routes. DCC keep the fees collected and pay a private operator to run the bin collection on their behalf this how municipal services like bin collection across the continent are generally run.

fly_agaric

hmmm wrote: »

You're having a laugh, of course they won't be paying - if they're willing to go out of their way to dump their rubbish in a nearby cul de sac, they're not going to be buying and attaching bin tags.

You will always have an element that won't pay, try & cheat the system etc.
I suppose (to restate...) I'm hoping the local politicians will accept "polluter pays" arguments for funding a public waste collection service and not support populist protest against it like they did when charges first came in pre-privatisation.
edit: I imagine you'll have fewer people not paying the council if local politicians aren't screaming that they are being "double taxed", organising protests, blockading bin trucks etc!

cgcsb

I'm shocked how this government doesn't seem interested in taking steps to reduce waste. They have the bottle return in supermarkets across Europe for example, and some of the packaging in supermarkets here is really outrageous. A hollistic approach is needed and every individual needs to have responsibility for their waste.

I've been attempting a zero-waste (low waste) lifestyle lately, My god is it hard. Basically it means not creating waste at all and, where unavoidable, being as responsible as possible with the disposal of waste.
I go to the butcher/fish/cheese monger and get my tupperware filled up with meat fish cheese and eggs. Fallon&Byrne let you fill up containers with grains, rice, porridge etc. so I do that. Shower gel and liquid soap has been replaced by soap bars I get in cardboard containers(which I return to the lady who sells them). I expected all this to be very expensive, but actually I find I'm spending a bit less than I did before, maybe more because I'm not buying so much crap that I don't need. I do accumulate some cardboard/paper waste, which I use to get the log burner going (less wasteful than transporting it to an energy intensive recycling process in another country)

Some things I haven't figured out how to eliminate the waste from: Plastic Milk cartons, they have to go in the green bin, the old system of refilling glass bottles was much greener, which is a big annoyance of mine. Creams, moisturisers, deodorants etc. are a pain

My food waste goes into an electric composter, powered by solar panels, which works intermittently, and I give the compost to people locally who are into flowers, I've no interest.

I bring all my cans and bottles to the bottlebank

I end up with the odd bit of foil, soft (non recycleable) plastic etc. which I stuff into one of the affore mentioned plastic bottles to make an eco-brick (google this), which you can swap for a free pint in the Bernard Shaw.

The up side: I couldn't fill a green bin in 6 months, meaning I'm super smug and self satisfied
The down side: I'm bleeding exhausted and whenever someone comes over with something: a cake or biscuits or something, my first thought is 'feck sake, how am I gonna get rid of that'.

The government has to make it easier for people to make responsible choices, the volume of waste we go through must reduce

El_Bee

cgcsb wrote: »

I'm shocked how this government doesn't seem interested in taking steps to reduce waste. They have the bottle return in supermarkets across Europe for example, and some of the packaging in supermarkets here is really outrageous. A hollistic approach is needed and every individual needs to have responsibility for their waste.

I've been attempting a zero-waste (low waste) lifestyle lately, My god is it hard. Basically it means not creating waste at all and, where unavoidable, being as responsible as possible with the disposal of waste.
I go to the butcher/fish/cheese monger and get my tupperware filled up with meat fish cheese and eggs. Fallon&Byrne let you fill up containers with grains, rice, porridge etc. so I do that. Shower gel and liquid soap has been replaced by soap bars I get in cardboard containers(which I return to the lady who sells them). I expected all this to be very expensive, but actually I find I'm spending a bit less than I did before, maybe more because I'm not buying so much crap that I don't need. I do accumulate some cardboard/paper waste, which I use to get the log burner going (less wasteful than transporting it to an energy intensive recycling process in another country)

Some things I haven't figured out how to eliminate the waste from: Plastic Milk cartons, they have to go in the green bin, the old system of refilling glass bottles was much greener, which is a big annoyance of mine. Creams, moisturisers, deodorants etc. are a pain

My food waste goes into an electric composter, powered by solar panels, which works intermittently, and I give the compost to people locally who are into flowers, I've no interest.

I bring all my cans and bottles to the bottlebank

I end up with the odd bit of foil, soft (non recycleable) plastic etc. which I stuff into one of the affore mentioned plastic bottles to make an eco-brick (google this), which you can swap for a free pint in the Bernard Shaw.

The up side: I couldn't fill a green bin in 6 months, meaning I'm super smug and self satisfied
The down side: I'm bleeding exhausted and whenever someone comes over with something: a cake or biscuits or something, my first thought is 'feck sake, how am I gonna get rid of that'.

The government has to make it easier for people to make responsible choices, the volume of waste we go through must reduce

I applaud your efforts, and it's a good example to set for kids.

Gael23

cgcsb wrote: »

Shower gel and liquid soap has been replaced by soap bars I get in cardboard containers(which I return to the lady who sells them).

What do you think she does with them? Straight into the bin

Ulmus

Well done cg
Aluminium foil
Yes, it’s recyclable! Even the foil you peel off your yoghurt in the morning (rinsed, naturally), and the aluminium trays that house pre-baked foods. There’s a caveat, of course - tiny pieces of foil will fly away from the sorting line or get stuck in places, so make sure to save up your foil into a scrunched up ball so that’s easier for the machines to pick up. Alternatively, tiny pieces of foil, including chocolate foil, can be stuck into an aluminium can that’s squeezed shut.


I put aluminium foil in the can banks.
Government needs to incentivise recycling with deposit-return scheme for plastic bottles and drink cans. It would reduce littering.

odyssey06

Denmark has a deposit scheme. The stuff goes into an incinerator mostly. Helps with littering.

L1011

Gael23 wrote: »

What do you think she does with them? Straight into the bin

If its the type of supplier that specialises in soap bars, they'll be reusing the packaging.

Ger Roe

cgcsb wrote: »

The government has to make it easier for people to make responsible choices, the volume of waste we go through must reduce

Absloutely... I hope that DCC go through with this and end up taking the entire process back into municipal control. We have declared a climate emergency, as a nation, the management of our waste has to be taken back in to national control, a super authority needs to be formed to manage the waste process. The current piecemeal approach by individual councils, with different processes and facilities operating in different council areas, needs to stop.

The sell off of the waste management process and the development of an 'industry' was a cop out that should never have happened. It was and should now return to being an environmental and social service priority and not a profit orientated opportunity. I don't elect private waste companies and so am powerless to influence them as a result, the responsibility lies with our elected reps and their agencies, let them take control back and we can make them directly accountable.

I never understood how the private sector operation was going to work long term, surely if we manage our waste more effectively and reduce the amount going to landfill, recycle, or incinerator, then the 'industry' will be unsustainable in the long run and many of the companies awarded licences will go out of business?

The whole sector is an expensive and grossly inefficient joke. Time for a radical re-think. DCC thinking of taking services back is a move in the right direction, but far more has to be done - deal with the 'emergency' as a national issue.