Will Britain ever just piss off and get on with Brexit? -mod warning in OP (21/12)

KildareP

blinding wrote: »

If all those re-moaners had voted for Theresa May’s deal then they could have had a very soft Brexit .

Of course - if this had happened, you'd have the ERG and Farage's cohort essentially in the position of the remain camp aiming to thwart parliament in the opposite direction.

blinding

KildareP wrote: »

Of course - if this had happened, you'd have the ERG and Farage's cohort essentially in the position of the remain camp aiming to thwart parliament in the opposite direction.

If all the MPs ( Labour and Conservative ) that were elected on manifestoes to respect the Leave Vote voted for Theresa May’s deal then it would have won by big numbers .

These MPs fraudulently stole their seats and are doing all they can to subvert the Democratic Vote . They are not Democrats .

Drink a shot every time blinding says democracy.

what % of MPs were elected on an explicit mandate of a no deal brexit?

any figures for this?

proper ones, like?

Peregrinus

blinding wrote: »

He doesn’t seem to be afraid of a general Election which is the ultimate in Democracy .

Ah. Well, in that case, since the people of the UK at the last general election voted by a decisive majority for manifestos which opposed leaving with no deal, you must agree that no-deal Brexit should be off the table.

blinding wrote: »

Many of these re-mainers have said that they accept the democratic decision to Brexit while in fact actually doing everything they can to subvert that democratic decision .

By "subvert" do you just mean "change"?

blinding wrote: »

I am against the anti-democratic re-moaners / re-mainers . I am a great believer in democracy and want the democratic decision of the people respected .

I have great faith in democracy and believe democracy will win .

We have only to look at Hong Kong and Russia to see what happens when democracy is not respected .

Hong Kong? Russia? No need to look so far; we only have to look to the UK. The people are being denied the Brexit they voted for, while antidemocratic elitist ultra-Brexiteers funded by shady foreign money seek to ram through a crash-out Brexit instead.

Stop the coup!

blinding

Deleted User wrote: »

what % of MPs were elected on an explicit mandate of a no deal brexit?

any figures for this?

proper ones, like?

All Labour and Conservative MPs were elected on manifestoes to respect the Leave Vote .

Leave the Eu . Many of them have done everything they can to subvert the Democratic decision of the People .

They are not Democrats . They fraudulently stole their seats .

Peregrinus

blinding wrote: »

If all the MPs ( Labour and Conservative ) that were elected on manifestoes to respect the Leave Vote voted for Theresa May’s deal then it would have won by big numbers .

These MPs fraudulently stole their seats and are doing all they can to subvert the Democratic Vote . They are not Democrats .

Boris Johnson voted against May's deal. Twice. So by your own account he's a fraud that stole his seat and is doing all he can to subvert the democratic process. And his cabinet is stuffed with similar frauds who stole their seats and did all they could to subvert the democratic process.

blinding

Peregrinus wrote: »

Ah. Well, in that case, since the people of the UK at the last general election voted by a decisive majority for manifestos which opposed leaving with no deal, you must agree that no-deal Brexit should be off the table.

Their manifestos said they would respect the Leave Vote i.e. Leave the Eu .

Peregrinus wrote: »

By "subvert" do you just mean "change"?

No , Subvert .

Peregrinus wrote: »

Hong Kong? Russia? No need to look so far; we only have to look to the UK. The people are being denied the Brexit they voted for, while antidemocratic elitist ultra-Brexiteers funded by shady foreign money seek to ram through a crash-out Brexit instead.

Stop the coup!

Re-moaners are not respecting the Democratic decision to leave the Eu . Its clear who the anti-democrats are .

Calina

blinding wrote: »

Deleted User wrote: »

what % of MPs were elected on an explicit mandate of a no deal brexit?

any figures for this?

proper ones, like?

All Labour and Conservative MPs were elected on manifestoes to respect the Leave Vote .

Leave the Eu . Many of them have done everything they can to subvert the Democratic decision of the People .

They are not Democrats . They fraudulently stole their seats .

You were asked specifically about a no deal Brexit. The Tories ran on manifesto of a deal.

batgoat

blinding wrote: »

All Labour and Conservative MPs were elected on manifestoes to respect the Leave Vote .

Leave the Eu . Many of them have done everything they can to subvert the Democratic decision of the People .

They are not Democrats . They fraudulently stole their seats .

If the government are unwilling to make a deal, they're attempting to protect their electorate by not crashing out. Pushing the government in a general election is giving them a mandate if they get reelected.

blinding

blinding wrote: »

All Labour and Conservative MPs were elected on manifestoes to respect the Leave Vote .

Leave the Eu . Many of them have done everything they can to subvert the Democratic decision of the People .

They are not Democrats . They fraudulently stole their seats .

proper figures like?

if none, say so or pls take my post outta yr mouth

blinding

Peregrinus wrote: »

Boris Johnson voted against May's deal. Twice. So by your own account he's a fraud that stole his seat and is doing all he can to subvert the democratic process. And his cabinet is stuffed with similar frauds who stole their seats and did all they could to subvert the democratic process.

They did in the end back Theresa May’s weak leave deal .

If all the re-moaner MPs had stood by the manifesto commitments at the general election they too would have backed Theresa May’s deal .

The re-moaners are anti-democrats . For democracy to work the losers have to accept the democratic decision of the People .

Remain = Lost ; Leave = Winner .

blinding

Deleted User wrote: »

proper figures like?

if none, say so or pls take my post outta yr mouth

Just google how many Labour and Conservative MP there are . Its not difficult .

blinding

blinding wrote: »

Just google how many Labour and Conservative MP there are . Its not difficult .

pls i beg you not to put my post in yr mouth

MadYaker

blinding wrote: »

All Labour and Conservative MPs were elected on manifestoes to respect the Leave Vote .

Leave the Eu . Many of them have done everything they can to subvert the Democratic decision of the People .

They are not Democrats . They fraudulently stole their seats .

I guess you include Boris in that too? In the last election MPs in favor of brexit with a deal got the most seats which would suggest that the voters want a deal. Boris voted against Mays deal twice which directly contradicts what most people voted for in the last election.

blinding

Calina wrote: »

You were asked specifically about a no deal Brexit. The Tories ran on manifesto of a deal.

Obviously if the Eu is not willing to do a deal acceptable to you then Leave the Eu is the position .

It is the Eu’s choice not to do a deal acceptable to Boris Johnson’s government .

The Eu , if it wishes could come up with a deal acceptable to Johnson’s government . The Eu chooses not to .

Obviously the Uk leaves the Eu one way or the other .

MadYaker

blinding wrote: »

Obviously if the Eu is not willing to do a deal acceptable to you then Leave the Eu is the position .

It is the Eu’s choice not to do a deal acceptable to Boris Johnson’s government .

The theEu if it wishes could come up with a deal acceptable to Johnson’s government . The Eu chooses not to .

Obviously the Uk leaves the Eu one way or the other .

The but EU and the UK agreed on a deal? The majority of voters want a deal. If Boris isn’t happy with the deal he should come up alternatives. The EU have said they are open to this but Boris has come up with nothing.

FrancieBrady

blinding wrote: »

Obviously if the Eu is not willing to do a deal acceptable to you then Leave the Eu is the position .

It is the Eu’s choice not to do a deal acceptable to Boris Johnson’s government .

The theEu if it wishes could come up with a deal acceptable to Johnson’s government . The Eu chooses not to .

Obviously the Uk leaves the Eu one way or the other .

What?

The EU must capitulate to UK Leavers? :D

is_that_so

blinding wrote: »

Obviously if the Eu is not willing to do a deal acceptable to you then Leave the Eu is the position .

It is the Eu’s choice not to do a deal acceptable to Boris Johnson’s government .

The theEu if it wishes could come up with a deal acceptable to Johnson’s government . The Eu chooses not to .

Obviously the Uk leaves the Eu one way or the other .

There is a deal the UK agreed to and which UK parliament has chosen not to accept. It is up to the UK to offer alternative proposals to that deal, which it can't or doesn't want to do. I hear Paul Cunningham in my head!

blinding

MadYaker wrote: »

The but EU and the UK agreed on a deal? The majority of voters want a deal. If Boris isn’t happy with the deal he should come up alternatives. The EU have said they are open to this but Boris has come up with nothing.

All those MP’s should have voted for May’s weak deal then .

Funny how re-moaners are running from a General Election now . They are not fond of Democracy . Chickens:eek:

blinding

FrancieBrady wrote: »

What?

The EU must capitulate to UK Leavers? :D

A deal acceptable to Boris Johnson's government . I am sure the Eu will do this in the interests of the 26 Counties . After all the 26 Counties will be remaining in the Eu .

First Up

blinding wrote:

It is the Eu’s choice not to do a deal acceptable to Boris Johnson’s government .

The EU expects sovereign governments to honour sovereign commitments. That's the only way international accords can work.

The EU spent almost two years reaching a WA with the UK government. If the current UK government will not honour it, we revert to square one - with the clock ticking.

batgoat

blinding wrote: »

All those MP’s should have voted for May’s weak deal then .

Funny how re-moaners are running from a General Election now . They are not fond of Democracy . Chickens:eek:

You really aren't capable of discussing this maturely, are you?

Peregrinus

blinding wrote: »

Obviously if the Eu is not willing to do a deal acceptable to you then Leave the Eu is the position .

A democrat might be inclined to seek a mandate for that position.

It is the Eu’s choice not to do a deal acceptable to Boris Johnson’s government .

The Eu , if it wishes could come up with a deal acceptable to Johnson’s government . The Eu chooses not to .

blinding wrote: »

Obviously the Uk leaves the Eu one way or the other .

That's not obvious at all. The mandate is to leave the EU with a deal. The people were told at the time of the referendum that that's what they were voting for, and at the ensuing general election they voted - as already pointed out - for parties standing on manifestos committed to doing precisely that.

This is how we know that the ultra-Brexiters who honk about democracy while pursuign strategies that lead to no deal are rank hypocrites, and their supporters nothing more than useful idiots.

blinding

is_that_so wrote: »

There is a deal the UK agreed to and which UK parliament has chosen not to accept. It is up to the UK to offer alternative proposals to that deal, which it can't or doesn't want to do. I hear Paul Cunningham in my head!

The Eu can come up with a deal acceptable to Boris Johnson’s government . This would be done for the good of the 26 Counties . The 26 counties will be re-maining in the Eu .

In fairness Merkel has much more important stuff to be going on with . The rise of the AFD in Germany is a terrible indictment of her running of Germany . If she can’t run Germany has she the ability to run the Eu . I see she is no longer leader her own party :eek:. I suppose that was inconvenient for her:eek:

blinding

First Up wrote: »

The EU expects sovereign governments to honour sovereign commitments. That's the only way international accords can work.

The EU spent almost two years reaching a WA with the UK government. If the current UK government will not honour it, we revert to square one - with the clock ticking.

The , To Leave means No deal . Just get on and get out .
Its blindingly obvious .

MadYaker

I mean Brexit Party supporters want no deal exit but how MPs have they manage to get into the commons? Oh yeah, zero.

Stop moaning ffs

batgoat wrote: »

You really aren't capable of discussing this maturely, are you?

Poster in question is a complete wind up artist. Over several topics and threads.

FrancieBrady

blinding wrote: »

The , To Leave means No deal . Just get on and get out .
Its blindingly obvious .

There is NO (or not near enough) support for a No Deal...not in government and not in the polls.

blinding

Peregrinus wrote: »

A democrat might be inclined to seek a mandate for that position.

It is the Eu’s choice not to do a deal acceptable to Boris Johnson’s government .

The Eu , if it wishes could come up with a deal acceptable to Johnson’s government . The Eu chooses not to .


That's not obvious at all. The mandate is to leave the EU with a deal. The people were told at the time of the referendum that that's what they were voting for, and at the ensuing general election they voted - as already pointed out - for parties standing on manifestos committed to doing precisely that.

This is how we know that the ultra-Brexiters who honk about democracy while pursuign strategies that lead to no deal are rank hypocrites, and their supporters nothing more than useful idiots.

The referendum was Leave or Remain .

Leave Won = Bye bye Eu . Democracy is wonderful in the way it guides the politicians .

Leavers are well up for a general election Now . Re-mainers are playing hide and seek re a general election .:eek: