Will Britain ever just piss off and get on with Brexit? -mod warning in OP (21/12)

Donnielighto

Joeytheparrot wrote: »

No

The UK has a fixed term parliament law. The government can no longer a general election at a whim. In order to revoke the fixed term parliament law there needs to be a 2/3rds majority of the house of commons. The opposition main parties (labour, lib dem, snp, plaid cymru) are refusing to agree to an election unless the legislation banning no deal brexit gets passed fully.

I'm saying the delay legislation goes through first. The election is happening.

Donnielighto

Joeytheparrot wrote: »

Not if the NI peace process is threatened.

That's dems, trump doesnt give a ****.

If they pass the delay and call a GE then the EU will grant an extension

Donnielighto

Donnielighto wrote: »

That's dems, trump doesnt give a ****.

Dems control and trade agreement, through their control of congress.

Eric Cartman

Kidchameleon wrote: »

Enough of the Moggy hate, he's a class act

I aspire to give as few f*cks about anyone else as JRM does. An absolute hero in his own right.


What are the chances of them getting an extension beyond october, this is really wearing on me now, just do the damn thing britain.

Eric Cartman

Eric Cartman wrote: »

What are the chances of them getting an extension beyond october, this is really wearing on me now, just do the damn thing britain.

Very high, if they pass that vote and then call a GE

Stop moaning ffs

Donnielighto wrote: »

That's dems, trump doesnt give a ****.

House says and means have said threaten the GFA. No trade deal.
All deals pass through them and onto the house. Won’t get through the house either.
Plenty of republicans and dems have said as much.

Irish American lobby is significant in the house and senate

Eric Cartman

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Very high, if they pass that vote and then call a GE

Well if the EU allows them, which hopefully they won’t. This debacle has to end.

El_Duderino 09

Peregrinus wrote: »

No. He wants to be Prime Minister, but with a majority.

Yes exactly. He’s being decisive and trying to “Churchill” his way through he election. Better to make a bad decision quickly and never back down, than to dither even if it means settling on a better decision.

Boris is electioneering. He’s negotiating with his own potential voters at the moment, not the EU.

The negotiations will happen in the final few days before the deadline. An election would probably be a good distraction in the meantime and he’ll probably increase his majority with Brexit party support.

LazerShark

Deleted User wrote: »

Very high, if they pass that vote and then call a GE

Don't see the election happening since opposition won't give it to him before the deadline but if no-deal is ruled out then an extension is still likely, no?

I know some people on here are in the "just let them go we've had enough" camp, and yes we all have Brexit fatigue but the consequences for us would be dire. Another extension please and thank you.

Eric Cartman

Considering Farages claims and graphics peddling a majority, I wonder would an election actually put the brexit party in parliment (doubtful with fptp ) but now he can put his money where his mouth is instead of talking about ‘how well theyd do’

Eric Cartman

Eric Cartman wrote: »

Well if the EU allows them, which hopefully they won’t. This debacle has to end.

They will allow it. A GE giving any party a mandate without the DUP will suit all parties (except the DUP)

NI will be the lamb handed up. The Brexit customs border will be down the Irish Sea.

Peregrinus

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

Yes exactly. He’s being decisive and trying to “Churchill” his way through he election. Better to make a bad decision quickly and never back down, than to dither even if it means settling on a better decision.

Boris is electioneering. He’s negotiating with his own potential voters at the moment, not the EU.

The negotiations will happen in the final few days before the deadline. An election would probably be a good distraction in the meantime and he’ll probably increase his majority with Brexit party support.

The only way that the Brexit party can "support" Boris in "increasing" his majority (I think you mean getting a majority; right now he's running a government with a minority of 43) is by not standing in the election. If they stand at all, they split the hard brexit vote and take votes from the Tories.

They might agree to stand aside, if Johnson commits the Tories to a no-deal Brexit.

But of course doing that will demoralise the parliamentary party, a large majority of which believes no-deal Brexit to be a disaster, and will alienate middle-of-the-road voters who either want Brexit or regard it as inevitable, but still cherish such old-fashioned virtues as fresh food, jobs, solvency, national self-respect and adequate supplies of medication. And alienating voters is not a good way to win a majority.

cryptocurrency

Blueshoe wrote: »

What are the chances of them cancelling Brexit?

Zero

Stop moaning ffs

[Deleted User] wrote: »

They will allow it. A GE giving any party a mandate without the DUP will suit all parties (except the DUP)

NI will be the lamb handed up. The Brexit customs border will be down the Irish Sea.

On that. They know that’s coming. Meaning border in the sea. They’ve some neck asking Dublin to engage now

https://twitter.com/duponline/status/1168977812361007105?s=21

McMurphy

Stop moaning ffs wrote: »

On that. They know that’s coming. Meaning border in the sea. They’ve some neck asking Dublin to engage now

https://twitter.com/duponline/status/1168977812361007105?s=21

https://twitter.com/ConallGettigan/status/1168980963994607616?s=09

This.

Stop moaning ffs

Johnny Dogs wrote: »

https://twitter.com/ConallGettigan/status/1168980963994607616?s=09

This.

Yep.

They know the border is going in the sea and the thought is late coming to them that they better take a seat at the table or things will move on without them. Which they will regardless

ancapailldorcha

Interesting premise:

Stop moaning ffs

ancapailldorcha wrote: »

Interesting premise:

That’s brilliant.

Peregrinus

Blueshoe wrote: »

What are the chances of them cancelling Brexit?

Not impossible. But I think some way off.

Any conceivable UK government must be either Tory (or Tory-dominated) or Labour (or Labour-dominated).

The Tories, obvs, are not going to run on a manifest of cancelling Brexit, or of holding a referendum to do so.

Labour policy is, um, confused, and also unsettled. But at the moment it seems as though their policy is (a) get extension; (b) re-run negotiations to get deal more to Labour's taste; (c) hold referendum in which public chooses between that deal and remain.

Obviously a lot of things have to happen before we get to the point of holding the envisaged referendum - Labour have to get into government, for a start; they have to get EU agreement to renegotiate and an extension long enough to do that; the negotiations have to result in an agreed deal; parliament must approve the deal.

But if all those things do happen and then a referendum happens, yeah, its obviously possible that Remain could win.

First Up

Deleted User wrote:

But this is exactly what I said, let them have a clear majority in favour of Unification. That is the core tenet of the GFA, self determination through peaceful means by the people of NI (and subsequently Ireland also)

That will take time to evolve. Stage One will be NI staying in the CU, with the invisible checks at ports instead of border crossings. That's the only thing that can work and we are just waiting for Westminster to catch up with reality.

The all-island economy will become further integrated and the DUP's ideological (and illogical) visceral objections will be drowned out by the increased prosperity and social integration.

That might be enough for the foreseeable future; in fact it might be best left at that.

FrancieBrady

The DUP attempts to salvage something and circle the wagons will be interesting. Unstable times incoming in NI...again.

First Up

First Up wrote: »

That will take time to evolve. Stage One will be NI staying in the CU, with the invisible checks at ports instead of border crossings. That's the only thing that can work and we are just waiting for Westminster to catch up with reality.

This is the reason that there are no such things as technological solutions.
If there were seamless technological solutions then there would be no issue with them being at GB ports now would there?

First Up

Deleted User wrote:

This is the reason that there are no such things as technological solutions. If there were seamless technological solutions then there would be no issue with them being at GB ports now would there?

99% of commercial customs procedures are technological. Physical inspections are an extreme rarity. The issue is just where they are carried out. Much easier at a couple of ports than hundreds of roads.

First Up

First Up wrote: »

99% of commercial customs procedures are technological. Physical inspections are an extreme rarity. The issue is just where they are carried out. Much easier at a couple of ports than hundreds of roads.

And even at that it would not be seamless. Even having them at the ports would not be possible to be open, as it is also in relation to Livestock and food stuffs. Not to mention freedom of movement

First Up

Deleted User wrote:

And even at that it would not be seamless. Even having them at the ports would not be possible to be open, as it is also in relation to Livestock and food stuffs. Not to mention freedom of movement

I didn't say it would be seamless. It would however be implementable, which doing it at border crossings would not.

First Up

First Up wrote: »

I didn't say it would be seamless. It would however be implementable, which doing it at border crossings would not.

I know just highlighting how even that small disruption, at the ports, is enough to scupper their thoughts of an easy technological solution.

If they can not make it seamless at their own internal ports, what hope would there ever be at the porous land crossings. It just shows up how much lies are being told by Boris et al, regarding "Technological Solutions" replacing the backstop

BadTurtle

Leavers attacking Churchills grandson for voting against Bojo the clown all over Twitter.

Always makes me laugh how quickly their sort will gnaw off a limb if they feel it has disrespected their blinkered view of the world.

You know what, Theresa May must be loving this. Boris and Moggy had all the answers a few weeks back, when bringing her down

InTheShadows

BadTurtle wrote: »

Leavers attacking Churchills grandson for voting against Bojo the clown all over Twitter.

Always makes me laugh how quickly their sort will gnaw off a limb if they feel it has disrespected their blinkered view of the world.

Churchill was a racist and bigot.