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Will Britain ever just piss off and get on with Brexit? -mod warning in OP (21/12)

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    #4322
    SeaBreezes
    Registered Users Posts: 1,525 ✭✭✭SeaBreezes


    https://www.quora.com/Why-are-Remainers-so-convinced-that-staying-in-the-European-Union-is-what-is-best-for-the-UK/answer/Barry-McGuinness-1?fbclid=IwAR0QiekV13tPs0_g5igT1hQK3qGvqQQYq4GxXCZzkN1XlUmH03AkMVBxEGQ Excellent read.

    If these sociopaths stay in power.. if I was in the UK I would pack up and leave.. for your kids sake.. what's the betting there will be an attack on another country shortly to 'distract' the uk public who are slowly waking up to the realisation who the real puppeteers are?


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    #4323
    Bannasidhe
    Registered Users Posts: 19,218 ✭✭✭✭Bannasidhe


    Nicholas Soames didn't hold back when giving his opinion of Rees-Mogg in The Times. https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/boris-johnson-is-nothing-like-churchill-and-jacob-rees-mogg-is-an-absolute-fraud-tnkrv26d3

    It's behind a paywall but highlights include:
    "Sir Nicholas is more horrified by Jacob Rees-Mogg, the Commons leader. His behaviour this week, lolling on the front bench, was “repulsive”, he says. “He is in serious danger of believing his own shtick. He is an absolute fraud, he is a living example of what a moderately cut double-breasted suit and a decent tie can do with an ultra-posh voice and a bit of ginger stuck up his arse. You do not behave like that as leader of the House.”

    Moderately cut double-breasted suit.
    *mic drop*


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    #4324
    RobMc59
    Registered Users Posts: 4,831 ✭✭✭RobMc59


    Bannasidhe wrote: »
    Nicholas Soames didn't hold back when giving is opinion of Rees-Mogg in The Times. https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/boris-johnson-is-nothing-like-churchill-and-jacob-rees-mogg-is-an-absolute-fraud-tnkrv26d3
    It's behind a paywall but highlights include



    Moderately cut double-breasted suit.
    *mic drop*

    The treatment of Nicholas Soames and Ken Clarke has shown johnson and his cronies as the right wing,out of control bozos they really are.Their arrogance will be their downfall.


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    #4325
    Blueshoe
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,964 ✭✭✭Blueshoe


    SeaBreezes wrote: »
    https://www.quora.com/Why-are-Remainers-so-convinced-that-staying-in-the-European-Union-is-what-is-best-for-the-UK/answer/Barry-McGuinness-1?fbclid=IwAR0QiekV13tPs0_g5igT1hQK3qGvqQQYq4GxXCZzkN1XlUmH03AkMVBxEGQ Excellent read.

    If these sociopaths stay in power.. if I was in the UK I would pack up and leave.. for your kids sake.. what's the betting there will be an attack on another country shortly to 'distract' the uk public who are slowly waking up to the realisation who the real puppeteers are?

    Remainer propaganda. The majority have already chosen. Time for them to leave


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    #4326
    knipex
    Registered Users Posts: 2,018 ✭✭✭knipex


    First Up wrote:
    I think you mean the UK is a tiny market. No, it isn't tiny and reduced access will be a blow to companies selling there.


    It's a tiny market relative to the EU..


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    #4327
    Padre_Pio
    Registered Users Posts: 5,227 ✭✭✭Padre_Pio


    Blueshoe wrote: »
    Remainer propaganda. The majority have already chosen. Time for them to leave

    No a single Brexiter chose how they wanted to leave the EU.

    Deal, no deal, April 2019, October 2019, Jan 2020.
    Backstop, Chequers, May, Johnson.
    No one voted for any of this.

    People made a binary choice.

    They've had nothing but f*ck ups and embarrassment for three years.

    This whole "majority have chosen, will of the people" bollox is spouted by hardliners who are well aware the vote could easily sway the other way should a second referendum be called.


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    #4328
    biko
    Registered Users Posts: 81,220 ✭✭✭✭biko


    knipex wrote: »
    It's a tiny market relative to the EU..

    In 2017, Ireland major trading partner countries for exports were United States, United Kingdom, Belgium, Germany and Switzerland.

    For imports they were United Kingdom, United States, France, Germany and China.


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    #4329
    Blueshoe
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,964 ✭✭✭Blueshoe


    Padre_Pio wrote: »
    No a single Brexiter chose how they wanted to leave the EU.

    Deal, no deal, April 2019, October 2019, Jan 2020.
    Backstop, Chequers, May, Johnson.
    No one voted for any of this.

    People made a binary choice.

    They've had nothing but f*ck ups and embarrassment for three years.

    This whole "majority have chosen, will of the people" bollox is spouted by hardliners who are well aware the vote could easily sway the other way should a second referendum be called.

    Leave with or without a deal. Either way they must leave. There won't be another referendum. It's not like Ireland where people vote until they come to the "correct" decision.

    Fake democracy


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    #4330
    declanflynn
    Registered Users Posts: 1,159 ✭✭✭declanflynn


    Blueshoe wrote: »
    SeaBreezes wrote: »
    https://www.quora.com/Why-are-Remainers-so-convinced-that-staying-in-the-European-Union-is-what-is-best-for-the-UK/answer/Barry-McGuinness-1?fbclid=IwAR0QiekV13tPs0_g5igT1hQK3qGvqQQYq4GxXCZzkN1XlUmH03AkMVBxEGQ Excellent read.

    If these sociopaths stay in power.. if I was in the UK I would pack up and leave.. for your kids sake.. what's the betting there will be an attack on another country shortly to 'distract' the uk public who are slowly waking up to the realisation who the real puppeteers are?

    Remainer propaganda. The majority have already chosen. Time for them to leave
    When are ye going mate


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    #4331
    Sardonicat
    Registered Users Posts: 12,390 ✭✭✭✭Sardonicat


    Padre_Pio wrote: »
    No a single Brexiter chose how they wanted to leave the EU.

    Deal, no deal, April 2019, October 2019, Jan 2020.
    Backstop, Chequers, May, Johnson.
    No one voted for any of this.

    People made a binary choice.

    They've had nothing but f*ck ups and embarrassment for three years.

    This whole "majority have chosen, will of the people" bollox is spouted by hardliners who are well aware the vote could easily sway the other way should a second referendum be called.

    Aye, and while all this has been going on , the social fabric has steadily eroded. There's not much holding things together anymore.


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    #4332
    Bannasidhe
    Registered Users Posts: 19,218 ✭✭✭✭Bannasidhe


    Padre_Pio wrote: »
    No a single Brexiter chose how they wanted to leave the EU.

    Deal, no deal, April 2019, October 2019, Jan 2020.
    Backstop, Chequers, May, Johnson.
    No one voted for any of this.

    People made a binary choice.

    They've had nothing but f*ck ups and embarrassment for three years.

    This whole "majority have chosen, will of the people" bollox is spouted by hardliners who are well aware the vote could easily sway the other way should a second referendum be called.

    It does amuse me how the very people who are calling Corbyn a chicken for saying he won't agree to a GE until after the legislation to rule out No Deal is in place are the same people who absolutely refuse to agree to a second ref under any circumstances.

    Are they frit?


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    #4333
    AllGunsBlazing
    Registered Users Posts: 3,655 ✭✭✭AllGunsBlazing


    RobMc59 wrote: »
    The treatment of Nicholas Soames and Ken Clarke has shown johnson and his cronies as the right wing,out of control bozos they really are.Their arrogance will be their downfall.

    Nicholas Soames does not merit mentioning in the same breath as Clarke. The man is absolute pond scum - irrespective of his views on the calamity of a hard brexit. Even a stopped clock is right twice a day.


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    #4334
    ILoveYourVibes
    Registered Users Posts: 15,182 ✭✭✭✭ILoveYourVibes


    Can someone give me a run down of what is going on??

    The house of lords have passed a bill saying a no deal brexit is now illegal have they?


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    #4335
    interactive
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 91 ✭✭interactive


    ILoveYourVibes wrote: »
    Can someone give me a run down of what is going on??

    The house of lords have passed a bill saying a no deal brexit is now illegal have they?

    The ramainers in their stupidity have scuppered Boris Johnson, ensuring the success of Farage & the Brexit party in the next election


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    #4336
    NIMAN
    Registered Users Posts: 33,691 ✭✭✭✭NIMAN


    No harm but Boris and his crew were like the Brexit Party anyway.


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    #4337
    ILoveYourVibes
    Registered Users Posts: 15,182 ✭✭✭✭ILoveYourVibes


    interactive wrote: »
    The ramainers in their stupidity have scuppered Boris Johnson, ensuring the success of Farage & the Brexit party in the next election

    :confused:


    I am completely lost now. Last I heard the queen was in on all this and was a raging brexiteer. I mean makes sense if she has no issues with Prince Andrew she is unlikely to have issues with Boris Johnson.


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    #4338
    gmisk
    Registered Users Posts: 33,187 ✭✭✭✭gmisk


    interactive wrote: »
    The ramainers in their stupidity have scuppered Boris Johnson, ensuring the success of Farage & the Brexit party in the next election
    Fptp so the brexit party will still at most get a couple of seats if any...


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    #4339
    First Up
    Registered Users Posts: 14,822 ✭✭✭✭First Up


    knipex wrote:
    It's a tiny market relative to the EU..


    Its about 8% of the EU market. Big enough to be missed but small enough to be replaceable.

    The point the German industry representative was making was that the benefits of the single market can be measured in more ways than just size. They will be sorry to see the UK go but the smooth working of supply and value chains in the SM is far more important.


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    #4340
    Tokyo
    Registered Users Posts: 22,655 ✭✭✭✭Tokyo


    Blueshoe wrote: »
    Bradford city fan?
    declanflynn wrote: »
    No im a Tipperary fan
    Blueshoe wrote: »
    Sure you are "mate".
    declanflynn wrote: »
    Sure am old chap
    RobMc59 wrote: »
    You`ve probably got a bulldog tattoo on your arm.
    declanflynn wrote: »
    No tattoos mate


    Mod:

    Blueshoe, declanflynn, RobMc59, the infantile back and forth ends here. Please don't post in the thread again.


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    #4341
    InTheShadows
    Closed Accounts Posts: 727 ✭✭✭InTheShadows


    Blueshoe wrote: »
    Leave with or without a deal. Either way they must leave. There won't be another referendum. It's not like Ireland where people vote until they come to the "correct" decision.

    Fake democracy

    We don't have democracy in Ireland only fools that believe we do. We are ruled over by the EU which tbh ive no problems with as our own politicians are pathetic to the point of humour but i do have a problem with people who believe we aren't.


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    #4342
    Calina
    Registered Users Posts: 8,219 ✭✭✭Calina


    InTheShadows wrote: »

    We don't have democracy in Ireland only fools that believe we do. We are ruled over by the EU which tbh ive no problems with as our own politicians are pathetic to the point of humour but i do have a problem with people who believe we aren't.

    Clueless. You do not understand democracy, the EU, our politicians, and think you have some special wisdom and insight.


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    #4343
    Annasopra
    Registered Users Posts: 41,081 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    InTheShadows wrote: »
    We don't have democracy in Ireland only fools that believe we do. We are ruled over by the EU which tbh ive no problems with as our own politicians are pathetic to the point of humour but i do have a problem with people who believe we aren't.

    Can you explain this in more detail how the EU rules us in your opinion?

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



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    #4344
    Boggles
    Registered Users Posts: 40,236 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    InTheShadows wrote: »
    We don't have democracy in Ireland only fools that believe we do. We are ruled over by the EU

    Do explain.

    How is one a fool if they believe there is not open and free elections in Ireland?

    Please back it up with tangible examples that back up your assertion?


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    #4345
    Kidchameleon
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,482 ✭✭✭Kidchameleon


    Boggles wrote: »
    Do explain.

    How is one a fool if they believe there is not open and free elections in Ireland?

    Please back it up with tangible examples that back up your assertion?


    Look here's the thing, regardless of who ran Lisbon 2 (the EU, the Irish Gov) and regardless of weather there were reassurances and rewording, it was a move that red pilled a tonne of people. They should have at least given it a few years, but exactly one year? Christ, that was bad. To me, democracy was killed and I became an advocate of smaller and smaller government.


    People are making the same mistake by telling 17.4 million Brits they didn't vote for no deal, its complete arrogance and idiocy.


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    #4346
    Kidchameleon
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,482 ✭✭✭Kidchameleon


    Its funny how people who claim the Brits were lied to for a leave vote are the same people who are throwing around yellow hammer like it is gospel. It is clearly a propaganda piece. Yes I know it was made by the government, but has anyone looked into who actually produced it?


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    #4347
    Wanderer78
    Registered Users Posts: 29,591 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    Kidchameleon wrote:
    Look here's the thing, regardless of who ran Lisbon 2 (the EU, the Irish Gov) and regardless of weather there were reassurances and rewording, it was a move that red pilled a tonne of people. They should have at least given it a few years, but exactly one year? Christ, that was bad. To me, democracy was killed and I became an advocate of smaller and smaller government.


    If we create a smaller and smaller government, or more correctly termed, less powerful, what is the likely outcome for democracy as a whole?


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    #4348
    davedanon
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,062 ✭✭✭davedanon


    Let's not forget that the 'Ireland were told to go back and vote again until they got it right' narrative relates to the Lisbon Treaty - it was all about us joining the EU. Imagine the pickle we'd be in now if we hadn't joined the EU.

    And anyone who does the most cursory research will be reminded that the reason it failed the first time was because the forces of darkness in this country - your SPUC and Iona types - ran their usual dishonest campaign, exploiting people's fear and ignorance of what the treaty was actually about.

    It was Europe's fault, of course. The Treaty was hundreds of pages of technocratic gibberish that no-one could make head or tail of. We knew we absolutely had to be in this club, so the necessary legally-binding assurances were sought and given. And how much did the Yes vote win by? It was something like 65%.


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    #4349
    davedanon
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,062 ✭✭✭davedanon


    Smaller and smaller government? That reminds me of the GOP in America. The ones that have sold their soul to Trump.


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    #4350
    davedanon
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,062 ✭✭✭davedanon


    Kidchameleon wrote: »
    Its funny how people who claim the Brits were lied to for a leave vote are the same people who are throwing around yellow hammer like it is gospel. It is clearly a propaganda piece. Yes I know it was made by the government, but has anyone looked into who actually produced it?

    This is hilarious. The Tory government commissions a report, and yet you still maintain it's proaganda. Up is down, black is white. Doublespeak.


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    #4351
    johnnyskeleton
    Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 14,519 Mod ✭✭✭✭johnnyskeleton


    Kidchameleon wrote: »
    Its funny how people who claim the Brits were lied to for a leave vote are the same people who are throwing around yellow hammer like it is gospel. It is clearly a propaganda piece. Yes I know it was made by the government, but has anyone looked into who actually produced it?

    Are you trying to say that because the UK government is so untrustworthy that the report they commissioned is also untrustworthy? Dont forget that they didnt release the report, it was leaked, and they came out and tried to argue that it was worst cass scenario and not up to date etc


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