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Will Britain ever just piss off and get on with Brexit? -mod warning in OP (21/12)

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    #4472
    biko
    Registered Users Posts: 81,220 ✭✭✭✭biko


    Deleted User wrote: »
    What version is that?
    What was on the ballot paper?
    2016_EU_Referendum_Ballot_Paper.jpg


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    #4473
    Blueshoe
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,964 ✭✭✭Blueshoe


    PostWoke wrote: »
    Or lying to the voter base about what you can provide if they vote your way, and taking advantage of people who are susceptible to scare mongering.

    That's your opinion.
    Over 17,000,000 disagree

    Mod: 2 weeks off. You were told not to post in this thread again.


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    #4474
    mikhail
    Registered Users Posts: 3,862 ✭✭✭mikhail


    biko wrote: »
    That is not how voting works. You had your opportunity.
    That's not how a non-binding referendum works.


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    #4475
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    biko wrote: »
    2016_EU_Referendum_Ballot_Paper.jpg

    And what version of leave does that entail?
    Deal or no deal?

    Remember now that the majority of voters voted for pro deal parties in last election and the Sovereign Parliament is pro deal


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    #4476
    declanflynn
    Registered Users Posts: 1,159 ✭✭✭declanflynn


    biko wrote: »
    mikhail wrote: »
    More than 67% of UK voters voted to remain in 1975. It's almost like people can change their mind as a situation evolves.
    Indeed, and 67% has now decreased to 48%.
    The problem is people not respecting democratic process.
    That's not the EU's fault.
    it's only the t brits that are stopping britian from leaving, everyone else can't wait for them to go


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    #4477
    mikhail
    Registered Users Posts: 3,862 ✭✭✭mikhail


    Deleted User wrote: »
    And what version of leave does that entail?
    Deal or no deal?

    Remember now that the majority of voters voted for pro deal parties in last election and the Sovereign Parliament is pro deal
    People like biko like to believe that only the votes they approve of count.


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    #4478
    biko
    Registered Users Posts: 81,220 ✭✭✭✭biko


    mikhail wrote: »
    That's not how a non-binding referendum works.
    Why do you keep arguing?
    It's a month or so to go and you're arguing stuff that was played out years ago?
    Deleted User wrote: »
    And what version of leave does that entail?
    Deal or no deal?
    There was no deal on the ballot.
    That was your question.


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    #4479
    Blueshoe
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,964 ✭✭✭Blueshoe


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    And what version of leave does that entail?
    Deal or no deal?

    Remember now that the majority of voters voted for pro deal parties in last election and the Sovereign Parliament is pro deal

    They must have left that bit out because they didn't think leave would win. There should have been a second vote on leave with or without a deal.


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    #4480
    davedanon
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,062 ✭✭✭davedanon


    biko wrote: »
    Why do you keep arguing?
    It's a month or so to go and you're arguing stuff that was played out years ago?

    Is that to blueshoe, or chameleon, or one of the other rwnj loons?


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    #4481
    declanflynn
    Registered Users Posts: 1,159 ✭✭✭declanflynn


    biko wrote: »
    Why do you keep arguing?
    It's a month or so to go and you're arguing stuff that was played out years ago?
    A month or so to go until what mate?


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    #4482
    biko
    Registered Users Posts: 81,220 ✭✭✭✭biko


    davedanon wrote: »
    Is that to blueshoe, or chameleon, or one of the other rwnj loons?

    Sorry, clarified now I hope


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    #4483
    PostWoke
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 559 ✭✭✭PostWoke


    Blueshoe wrote: »
    That's your opinion.
    Over 17,000,000 disagree

    How is any of what I said opinion? They had literal lies/promises they couldn't follow through on printed on entire lengths of campaign buses, and that's the objective truth.

    No voter gets to decide they weren't lied to.


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    #4484
    declanflynn
    Registered Users Posts: 1,159 ✭✭✭declanflynn


    Blueshoe wrote: »
    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    And what version of leave does that entail?
    Deal or no deal?

    Remember now that the majority of voters voted for pro deal parties in last election and the Sovereign Parliament is pro deal

    They must have left that bit out because they didn't think leave would win. There should have been a second vote on leave with or without a deal.
    You want it delayed for even longer
    You're losing ur bottle mate


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    #4485
    biko
    Registered Users Posts: 81,220 ✭✭✭✭biko


    declanflynn wrote: »
    A month or so to go until what mate?
    Until the bill is passed - Brexit


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    #4486
    mikhail
    Registered Users Posts: 3,862 ✭✭✭mikhail


    biko wrote: »
    Why do you keep arguing?
    It's a month or so to go and you're arguing stuff that was played out years ago?
    Because a bunch of arseholes who lied through their teeth in order to win a glorified opinion poll by the narrowest of margins several years ago continue to insist that that is a sound basis for ****ing up the peace process and every economy in the area, suspending parliament in the process.

    I will pay for Brexit, like everyone else in this country. And in spite of that, I will continue to laugh at the British as their union implodes, and they trade having a say in the EU's policies to being told what to do by the IMF again as they were just before they entered the EEC.


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    #4487
    Blueshoe
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,964 ✭✭✭Blueshoe


    PostWoke wrote: »
    How is any of what I said opinion? They had literal lies/promises they couldn't follow through on printed on entire lengths of campaign buses, and that's the objective truth.

    No voter gets to decide they weren't lied to.

    I disagree with your opinion.


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    #4488
    davedanon
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,062 ✭✭✭davedanon


    Blueshoe wrote: »
    They must have left that bit out because they didn't think leave would win. There should have been a second vote on leave with or without a deal.

    Yes, that's sensible. "WE ARE VOTING ON WHETHER TO LEAVE THE EU, OR NOT. WHILE LEAVING WILL BE ****TY, THERE ARE VARYING DEGREES OF ****TINESS, DEPENDING ON THE DEAL. WOULD YOU LIKE A ****TY DEAL, OR AN EVEN MORE ****TY DEAL?" VOTE NOW!!!


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    #4489
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    biko wrote: »
    Why do you keep arguing?
    It's a month or so to go and you're arguing stuff that was played out years ago?

    There was no deal on the ballot.
    That was your question.

    Did it say leave without a deal?
    Did it say leave with a deal?

    Leaving the EU has several options, which one does that referendum "leave" cover?


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    #4490
    declanflynn
    Registered Users Posts: 1,159 ✭✭✭declanflynn


    biko wrote: »
    declanflynn wrote: »
    A month or so to go until what mate?
    Until the bill is passed - Brexit
    You are a bit behind, the opposition are in charge of your country now mate, depaffel is a lame duck pm


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    #4491
    Blueshoe
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,964 ✭✭✭Blueshoe


    davedanon wrote: »
    Yes, that's sensible. "WE ARE VOTING ON WHETHER TO LEAVE THE EU, OR NOT. WHILE LEAVING WILL BE ****TY, THERE ARE VARYING DEGREES OF ****TINESS, DEPENDING ON THE DEAL. WOULD YOU LIKE A ****TY DEAL, OR AN EVEN MORE ****TY DEAL?" VOTE NOW!!!

    Huh?


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    #4492
    Donald Trump
    Registered Users Posts: 19,904 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump


    Kidchameleon wrote: »
    Well Teresa May was terrible, giving the EU everything they wanted. "Hey can we have 39 billion?" Yeah OK!!




    Hey dude. Might be a better use of your time to read up on a few basics rather than repeating soundbytes from Farage.


    The 39 billion was calculated and agreed to as the UK outstanding obligations.



    You know that there are also obligations in the other direction too? For example, one of these is that the UK was allocated about 11bn over the current round of EU structural funds. Those projects can still draw down the remainder of the money until the end of the current cycle......................but not if there is no deal. But you probably don't realize that because Farage won't have tweeted it and Boris won't have printed it on a bus for you.




    To put it into an easier-to-understand example for you - suppose you live in an apartment building with 9 other apartments and you set up your own management company to take care of the place. You all sign a contract that you will each pay 1000 Euro into the company every year and the management company will replace the windows and doors on one of the apartments each year in rotation.

    Mary in apartment #1 gets hers done first. Happy days. New windows for Mary. Then at the start of year 2 she decides "I don't want to be part of this any more. Goodbye". Pat in apartment #2 says "I'm scheduled to have mine done in a few weeks. But I also don't want to contribute any more. So I'm gone. But I still want the rest of ye to pay for mine to be done".

    Do you think that they rest of them would say "ah grand. don't worry about that contract we all signed. You don't need to put in your share any more and we'll have the lads over to Pat in a couple of weeks to do his. No worries".





    "Hey can we have 11bn for our structural funds project. Yeah ok!"


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    #4493
    davedanon
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,062 ✭✭✭davedanon


    Donald Trump wrote: »
    Hey dude. Might be a better use of your time to read up on a few basics rather than repeating soundbytes from Farage.


    The 39 billion was calculated and agreed to as the UK outstanding obligations.



    You know that there are also obligations in the other direction too? For example, one of these is that the UK was allocated about 11bn over the current round of EU structural funds. Those projects can still draw down the remainder of the money until the end of the current cycle......................but not if there is no deal. But you probably don't realize that because Farage won't have tweeted it and Boris won't have printed it on a bus for you.




    To put it into an easier-to-understand example for you - suppose you live in an apartment building with 9 other apartments and you set up your own management company to take care of the place. You all sign a contract that you will each pay 1000 Euro into the company every year and the management company will replace the windows and doors on one of the apartments each year in rotation.

    Mary in apartment #1 gets hers done first. Happy days. New windows for Mary. Then at the start of year 2 she decides "I don't want to be part of this any more. Goodbye". Pat in apartment #2 says "I'm scheduled to have mine done in a few weeks. But I also don't want to contribute any more. So I'm gone. But I still want the rest of ye to pay for mine to be done".

    Do you think that they rest of them would say "ah grand. don't worry about that contract we all signed. You don't need to put in your share any more and we'll have the lads over to Pat in a couple of weeks to do his. No worries".





    "Hey can we have 11bn for our structural funds project. Yeah ok!"


    Too many facts in there for our brexiter friends.


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    #4494
    knipex
    Registered Users Posts: 2,018 ✭✭✭knipex


    Kidchameleon wrote: »
    Not true. Plenty of countries smaller and larger than the UK survive without being in the EU

    Oh Absolutely.

    But they didn't spend the last 46 years building their economy based on having access to the largest free trade organization in the world.
    Or have their trade agreements, quality and environmental standards, international transport agreements (free skies) etc begin negotiated as part of a larger group. Agreements and standards that they will no longer be able to access and instead of spending the last 3 years resolving these issues spent them chasing unicorns.

    Neither do they have their consumer rights, workers rights and trade laws based on agreements that they have just torn up and monitored \ enforced by an organization they dont want to deal with.

    And heading into uncertainty they certainly didn't spend 3 years insulting, belittling, slandering, lieing about, threatening and at every opportunity undermining the very organization that could provide the support and assistance they would have needed.


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    #4495
    knipex
    Registered Users Posts: 2,018 ✭✭✭knipex


    declanflynn wrote: »
    That's not the EU's fault.
    it's only the t brits that are stopping britian from leaving, everyone else can't wait for them to go

    Come on Declan... its driving me NUTS.... what does "t brits" mean ??

    (if anyone else can enlighten me I would be delighted, feeling very confused and left out here)


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    #4496
    Notmything
    Registered Users Posts: 1,053 ✭✭✭Notmything


    knipex wrote: »
    Come on Declan... its driving me NUTS.... what does "t brits" mean ??

    (if anyone else can enlighten me I would be delighted, feeling very confused and left out here)

    They are trying to be all hard and edgy, just like when they use the wrong name for Boris Johnson


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    #4497
    Sonny noggs
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,523 ✭✭✭Sonny noggs


    Notmything wrote: »
    They are trying to be all hard and edgy, just like when they use the wrong name for Boris Johnson

    Yes, Doris instead of Boris is particularly childish. ‘Misgendering’ also thrown into the mix.


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    #4498
    knipex
    Registered Users Posts: 2,018 ✭✭✭knipex


    Sonny noggs wrote: »
    Yes, Doris instead of Boris is particularly childish. ‘Misgendering’ also thrown into the mix.

    Oh that I can see. but I cannot figure out what insult he is trying to send with "t brits" I even tried googling it..


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    #4499
    declanflynn
    Registered Users Posts: 1,159 ✭✭✭declanflynn


    Sonny noggs wrote: »
    Notmything wrote: »
    They are trying to be all hard and edgy, just like when they use the wrong name for Boris Johnson

    Yes, Doris instead of Boris is particularly childish. ‘Misgendering’ also thrown into the mix.
    Can I call him depaffel?


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    #4500
    davedanon
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,062 ✭✭✭davedanon


    The only wrong names I use for Boris are asterisked out by the thread nannies.


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    #4501
    RobMc59
    Registered Users Posts: 4,831 ✭✭✭RobMc59


    knipex wrote: »
    Sonny noggs wrote: »
    Yes, Doris instead of Boris is particularly childish. ‘Misgendering’ also thrown into the mix.

    Oh that I can see. but I cannot figure out what insult he is trying to send with "t brits" I even tried googling it..
    So did I-the nearest thing to it is a South African athlete named tasmin brit!


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