Will Britain ever just piss off and get on with Brexit? -mod warning in OP (21/12)

cryptocurrency

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

Soy milk and couscous are threatened too? I'll starve. This Brexit thing is a lot worse than I thought. Something should be done.

Europe needs to harden up

Professor Moriarty

cryptocurrency wrote: »

Europe needs to harden up

Exports of Viagra must increase? This Brexit business is very strange.

FunLover18

cryptocurrency wrote: »

There is no proof Boris misled the queen.

Boris is working against the most anti democratic group of saboteurs in modern history. They are working knowingly against the majority of the people of the country, further proven by hiding away from an opportunity to try and win a mandate from the people due to knowing not only will they lose, they are likely to be substantially down in huge numbers on parliaments return.

Boris should let them have their delay on the basis that nothing can be agreed in terms of a deal until that election is faced.

Boris needs to be allowed what any good leader should be in negotiation and that is the ability to tell the EU to go and spin. In fact he should be allowed to start the negotiation with that very statement.

If there's no proof he misled the queen then he will presumably release the internal communications about prorugation and I will eat my words.

And I don't know how you can say that it's undemocratic for a Prime Minister with no majority to have his policies scrutinised by the opposition, surely it's more undemocratic to shut down parliament so that your policies can't be scrutinised?

I think he'd be ending the negotiations if he did that but that wouldn't bother you at all.

cryptocurrency

UK reporting the EU is softening on the Irish Backstop. They are going to have some checks but not the full backstop....EU are said to be trying to talk Leo and Co down from the tree.

Interesting if a little humiliating. Leo and co have doubled down so hard on the backstop and anything but a complete NI backstop will be viewed as the EU throwing them under the bus.

Donald Trump

cryptocurrency wrote: »

UK reporting the EU is softening on the Irish Backstop. They are going to have some checks but not the full backstop....EU are said to be trying to talk Leo and Co down from the tree.

Interesting if a little humiliating. Leo and co have doubled down so hard on the backstop and anything but a complete NI backstop will be viewed as the EU throwing them under the bus.

The daily mail must be right of course.


Not like the fake news Irish media that report that MEP's will vote on a motion next week

"The resolution stresses a very clear message: you can't have an agreement without the backstop. It couldn't really be any clearer," David Sassoli, the speaker of the European Parliament told reporters in Brussels.

It's mad the way the UK media (and politicians) know everything going on behind the scenes across Europe, but don't seem to have a clue what's going on with their own parliament and parliamentary colleagues

Padre_Pio

cryptocurrency wrote: »

UK reporting the EU is softening on the Irish Backstop. They are going to have some checks but not the full backstop....EU are said to be trying to talk Leo and Co down from the tree.

Interesting if a little humiliating. Leo and co have doubled down so hard on the backstop and anything but a complete NI backstop will be viewed as the EU throwing them under the bus.

Is that even possible?

Can you have a la carte border checks?

FrancieBrady

cryptocurrency wrote: »

UK reporting the EU is softening on the Irish Backstop. They are going to have some checks but not the full backstop....EU are said to be trying to talk Leo and Co down from the tree.

Interesting if a little humiliating. Leo and co have doubled down so hard on the backstop and anything but a complete NI backstop will be viewed as the EU throwing them under the bus.

Any chance of a link...if it's the Express or Daily Mail...don't bother...have had my quota of fantasy today.

RobMc59

cryptocurrency wrote: »

UK reporting the EU is softening on the Irish Backstop. They are going to have some checks but not the full backstop....EU are said to be trying to talk Leo and Co down from the tree.

Interesting if a little humiliating. Leo and co have doubled down so hard on the backstop and anything but a complete NI backstop will be viewed as the EU throwing them under the bus.

Maybe I`m cynical but that sounds to me that the tories are trying to save face by saying that to spare their blushes over what is a climbdown by the UK.
I doubt the EU are bothered either way.

Padre_Pio

RobMc59 wrote: »

Maybe I`m cynical but that sounds to me that the tories are trying to save face by saying that to spare their blushes over what is a climbdown by the UK.
I doubt the EU are bothered either way.

EU reiterated that it's backstop or no deal.

Don't believe the UK press.

Imreoir2

cryptocurrency wrote: »

UK reporting the EU is softening on the Irish Backstop. They are going to have some checks but not the full backstop....EU are said to be trying to talk Leo and Co down from the tree.

Interesting if a little humiliating. Leo and co have doubled down so hard on the backstop and anything but a complete NI backstop will be viewed as the EU throwing them under the bus.

There have been such reports in the UK every other month for the last three years, thus far every one has been wrong, call me cynical but I will believe it when Irish media reports it.

FunLover18

cryptocurrency wrote: »

UK reporting the EU is softening on the Irish Backstop. They are going to have some checks but not the full backstop....EU are said to be trying to talk Leo and Co down from the tree.

Interesting if a little humiliating. Leo and co have doubled down so hard on the backstop and anything but a complete NI backstop will be viewed as the EU throwing them under the bus.

"Some checks"? What kind of checks and on what? Do you have any specifics on what this alternative arrangement is? Wasn't a complete NI backstop what was originally proposed but May asked for an all Britain backstop because she needed the DUP support and they wanted regulatory alignment?

MadYaker

cryptocurrency wrote: »

UK reporting the EU is softening on the Irish Backstop. They are going to have some checks but not the full backstop....EU are said to be trying to talk Leo and Co down from the tree.

Interesting if a little humiliating. Leo and co have doubled down so hard on the backstop and anything but a complete NI backstop will be viewed as the EU throwing them under the bus.

Where are you getting this from? Seems to totally contradict what was said today by Barnier.

Kidchameleon

Kidchameleon wrote: »

Goes to show Moggy is not the second coming of Satan like some of the sheep here would have you believe.

maybe not Satan, more of a Loki i would say.

SeaBreezes

Aegir wrote: »

maybe not Satan, more of a Loki i would say.

Haunted Pencil is my fav description of the disgusting sociopath.

Calina

cryptocurrency wrote: »

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There is no proof Boris misled the queen.

https://mobile.twitter.com/mryderqc/status/1172222967616589826

There is a senior court judgement which supports the assertion that the reason for the prorogation was Brexit and not the conference season or programme for government.

The understanding given to the world at large is that the Queen granted the prorogation for the conference season and new programme for government. Unless Johnson can prove that he told the Queen it was for Brexit and not a new Queen's Speech, the implication is at best, there was some misleading going on. YMMV of course but metaphorically, the jury is out.

Kidchameleon

cryptocurrency wrote: »

Interesting if a little humiliating. Leo and co have doubled down so hard on the backstop

Leo is a walking, talking pile of humiliation. I have absolutely no respect for him. I'm ashamed that a person like him represents our country.

Professor Moriarty

Kidchameleon wrote: »

Leo is a walking, talking pile of humiliation. I have absolutely no respect for him. I'm ashamed that a person like him represents our country.

Awful, awful person. If only we had someone of character. Someone like Boris Johnson.

Calina

For other speculation on backstop, see here: https://mobile.twitter.com/CER_Grant/status/1172135624163438594

but note the requirement for functional alternatives, not currently available, per EU via other sources - UK has provided nothing according Michel Barnier.

There is no fundamental change in position: the EU has always been open to alternatives which removed the need for a backstop.

Ultimately, Brexit supporters have a stunning tendency to get excited about a position the EU has been holding and has communicated for months and months.

RobMc59

Padre_Pio wrote: »

EU reiterated that it's backstop or no deal.

Don't believe the UK press.

What I meant was the tory government is probably telling more lies,the backstop remains the same but they`re trying to say the EU has softened it`s stance when in reality nothing has changed except the penny has dropped for Johnson and co.

Professor Moriarty

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

Soy milk and couscous are threatened too? I'll starve. This Brexit thing is a lot worse than I thought. Something should be done.

Seem to remember a poster in one of the recent referendum threads who had a particular dislike of soy based products and the people who consumed them state that the no side would win and they confirmed that with analysts.

cryptocurrency

RobMc59 wrote: »

What I meant was the tory government is probably telling more lies,the backstop remains the same but they`re trying to say the EU has softened it`s stance when in reality nothing has changed except the penny has dropped for Johnson and co.

we'll see.

Only way that there is a backstop is if the rebels force it through before the 31st.

Boris gets a deal it will mean no backstop. Election means no backstop. extension means election and no backstop.

The only hope to save Leo and the backstop is a coup in the next 6 weeks in the UK and if that happened all the bets are off on how the UK gets out of it. Be very dark times as the UK public will go postal and demand all sorts done.

FrancieBrady

cryptocurrency wrote: »

we'll see.

Only way that there is a backstop is if the rebels force it through before the 31st.

Boris gets a deal it will mean no backstop. Election means no backstop. extension means election and no backstop.

The only hope to save Leo and the backstop is a coup in the next 6 weeks in the UK and if that happened all the bets are off on how the UK gets out of it. Be very dark times as the UK public will go postal and demand all sorts done.

All the outcomes that suit your fantasies.

Even if Boris stays out of the clink and exits with No Deal...he still has to get a deal sometime and waiting for him will be the backstop and all the rest.

Imreoir2

cryptocurrency wrote: »

we'll see.

Only way that there is a backstop is if the rebels force it through before the 31st.

Boris gets a deal it will mean no backstop. Election means no backstop. extension means election and no backstop.

The only hope to save Leo and the backstop is a coup in the next 6 weeks in the UK and if that happened all the bets are off on how the UK gets out of it. Be very dark times as the UK public will go postal and demand all sorts done.

Borris can't get a deal that does not have the backstop, the conservative party promising no-deal is not likely to find itself being very electable given that the vast majority of voters in the UK are against no-deal.

If there is a no-deal, it wont last for long as the UK will find itself in dire straits and will be under ever increasing pressure to secure a deal at any cost.

Popeleo

cryptocurrency wrote: »

Just hysterical people going full trump derangement syndrome over boris. Even more amusing as the forum isn't even based in the country Boris in running.

What country is Boris running? It's certainly not the UK.

McMurphy

Popeleo wrote: »

What country is Boris running? It's certainly not the UK.

Running it into the ground not count then no?

First Up

Kidchameleon wrote: »

Indeed, the BBC et al are plastered with news about yellow hammer and the Scottish legal case. Both of which are complete BS when one takes a little time to do some research. Yellow hammer is a false flag created as a contingency by the May government in case someone with balls like Boris got into office. Its funny how it got "leaked" after she left. I have seen most of it debunked and as for the parts that have not been debunked, well nobody, not even Boris, Moggy or Farage have denied that there may be bumps on the road. I mean come on, we are not going to see riots on the street, deaths, medicine, fuel or food shortages. We are not going to massive backlogs at ports. Its just NOT GOING TO HAPPEN!! And of course this Scottish legal challenge will be thrown out of the supreme court straight away. The prorogation is perfectly legal.

Nah, I'm still not convinced. Could you use a bigger font?

FrancieBrady

First Up wrote: »

Nah, I'm still not convinced. Could you use a bigger font?

Crypto hand waves away all dangers...yet cannot come up with a rational explanation for why, if it is so easy to go it alone, the UK have still not left.

cryptocurrency

FrancieBrady wrote: »

All the outcomes that suit your fantasies.

Even if Boris stays out of the clink and exits with No Deal...he still has to get a deal sometime and waiting for him will be the backstop and all the rest.

fantasy. There is people in whitehall and washington instructed that the backstop can't happen. These are forces more powerful than anyone in the EU.

screamer

Wel the UK now has to accept that they cannot have their cake and eat it. They don’t want a deal but the deal they want to give them all the benefits of eu without the responsibilities. Ain’t gonna happen, so off they go let them lose. What they don’t realize is that when they come looking for .the same deal it ain’t gonna happen and my money is on them seeking re- admission within 3 years if not sooner. They’re gonna see some drops in their standards of living and no doubt it will be a very tough place for non white britons as I’d fear racist attacks will be widespread in post Brexit Britain.

Charles Babbage

cryptocurrency wrote: »

UK reporting the EU is softening on the Irish Backstop. They are going to have some checks but not the full backstop....EU are said to be trying to talk Leo and Co down from the tree.

Of course, anything from the UK must be true, it isn't as if they tell lies.

Interesting if a little humiliating. Leo and co have doubled down so hard on the backstop and anything but a complete NI backstop will be viewed as the EU throwing them under the bus.

That's because it would be throwing us under the bus.