Will Britain ever just piss off and get on with Brexit? -mod warning in OP (21/12)

cryptocurrency · 19-09-2019 9:56pm

ToddyDoody wrote: »

Ah you're right, I didn't see it that way.

What other way was there to see it?

One side insists on backstop, other insists it goes as it is a trap.......then it goes.

It's a win for one and a loss for the other either way

FrancieBrady · 19-09-2019 9:57pm

cryptocurrency wrote: »

What other way was there to see it?

One side insists on backstop, other insists it goes as it is a trap.......then it goes.

It's a win for one and a loss for the other either way

Where'd it go?

cryptocurrency · 19-09-2019 9:58pm

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Where'd it go?

The countdown for the result is down to days now...which way will it swing?

Wanna make a call here for the record?

FrancieBrady · 19-09-2019 10:00pm

cryptocurrency wrote: »

The countdown for the result is down to days now...which way will it swing?

Wanna make a call here for the record?

With the chaos next door ongoing? No.

Where did the backstop go...as you said?

cryptocurrency · 19-09-2019 10:06pm

FrancieBrady wrote: »

With the chaos next door ongoing? No.

Where did the backstop go...as you said?

I'm saying it is looking like it go up in smoke.

FrancieBrady · 19-09-2019 10:07pm

cryptocurrency wrote: »

I'm saying it is looking like it go up in smoke.

The only way that happens is if the UK come up with satisfactory alternatives. That hasn't happened yet.

First Up · 19-09-2019 10:13pm

Professor Moriarty wrote:

They've a good chance. More than we have. Rugby that is, not Brexit.

The UK parliament could pass a vote that England wins the World Cup. They can then present that to the other countries as a democratic decision they have to respect.

Well its pretty well what they are trying with Brexit.

cryptocurrency · 19-09-2019 10:17pm

FrancieBrady wrote: »

The only way that happens is if the UK come up with satisfactory alternatives. That hasn't happened yet.

Don't you think that they are scrambling at the moment to get ready to paint what comes out as "satisfactory alternatives", hell even you are getting prepared to start saying they are now acceptable.

We all know.

cryptocurrency · 19-09-2019 10:18pm

First Up wrote: »

The UK parliament could pass a vote that England wins the World Cup. They can then present that to the other countries as a democratic decision they have to respect.

Well its pretty well what they are trying with Brexit.

I do admire your doubling down. The deal is happening.

FrancieBrady · 19-09-2019 10:20pm

cryptocurrency wrote: »

Don't you think that they are scrambling at the moment to get ready to paint what comes out as "satisfactory alternatives", hell even you are getting prepared to start saying they are now acceptable.

We all know.

If the alternatives meet the requirements, why wouldn't I or the rest in the EU not accept them?
Have you been asleep for 3 years?

There is no signs I can see of a 'deal'. I can see an extension being asked for again though.

Spanish Eyes · 19-09-2019 10:21pm

Brexit will not happen, well No Deal Hard Brexit anyway. There is talk of the knuckle draggers in DUP having a rethink now.

The UK as a whole are just post colonial hubristic idiots chasing the dragon.

But if they go, we will suffer, as will many of their so called "European friends".

It is not nice at all really. For the UK or anyone else now. But they shilled and thought (might still think) that the EU would be afraid of them. Uh Oh. Not happening.

Compromise has to happen I think, and I hope too.

First Up · 19-09-2019 10:24pm

cryptocurrency wrote:

I do admire your doubling down. The deal is happening.

Yep, Johnny Wilkinson and Martin Johnston are getting their speeches ready.

ToddyDoody · 19-09-2019 11:00pm

Still though, wouldn't mind seeing what a pigheaded Brexit would be like.

Kermit.de.frog · 19-09-2019 11:05pm

cryptocurrency wrote: »

Quotes

"We will stand our ground over the backstop"

"the WA is closed"

...until now that it isn't.

The EU have effectively bottled it

Erm...the backstop can go as long as the objectives of the backstop are achieved.

It's Britain bottling it because now the exact same solution will be permanent.

Some victory there alright.

Imreoir2 · 19-09-2019 11:09pm

cryptocurrency wrote: »

Don't you think that they are scrambling at the moment to get ready to paint what comes out as "satisfactory alternatives", hell even you are getting prepared to start saying they are now acceptable.

We all know.

The only alternative which is acceptable is one which legally ensures that there is no border infastructure between NI and Ireland, be that at the border itself or at some point nearby.

I don't think the Irish government or the EU will accept anything less.

ToddyDoody · 19-09-2019 11:14pm

All sides will claim victory in their own ways no matter what the outcome.

cryptocurrency · 19-09-2019 11:17pm

ToddyDoody wrote: »

All sides will claim victory in their own ways no matter what the outcome.

If the backstop is gone it is not a victory for those who wanted it to keep UK chained to the SM or CU...it is a complete loss.

The UK will help them hide that shame because of international relations but the world will know

Kermit.de.frog · 19-09-2019 11:19pm

cryptocurrency wrote: »

If the backstop is gone it is not a victory for those who wanted it to keep UK chained to the SM or CU...it is a complete loss.

It will apply to NI only which is all we wanted in the first place.

cryptocurrency · 19-09-2019 11:20pm

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

It will apply to NI only which is all we wanted in the first place.

The backstop? The immovable backstop? or just a few token agri related things

FrancieBrady · 19-09-2019 11:22pm

cryptocurrency wrote: »

If the backstop is gone it is not a victory for those who wanted it to keep UK chained to the SM or CU...it is a complete loss.

The UK will help them hide that shame because of international relations but the world will know

Where are you getting this from? Either NI or the whole UK stays in the Customs Union and SM.

The UK's current attempt to split the deal up and give way on constituent parts is an attempt to hide their shame at accepting what is effectively the deal on the table. They still wont accept membership of the Customs Union for NI...that will be a no deal from the EU.

How many years do you require to get your head around this fact?

Kermit.de.frog · 19-09-2019 11:24pm

cryptocurrency wrote: »

The backstop? The immovable backstop? or just a few token agri related things

The whole lot.

Agri foods only covers 30% of goods. This is obviously unacceptable but it's a start.

The DUP are being given time to sell the inevitable.

GB can do what it likes then.

cryptocurrency · 19-09-2019 11:25pm

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

The whole lot.

Agri foods only covers 30% of goods. This is obviously unacceptable but it's a start.

The DUP are being given time to sell the inevitable.

GB can do what it likes then.

Fantasy. The backstop for the North which locks it in, is not happening.

Imreoir2 · 19-09-2019 11:28pm

cryptocurrency wrote: »

Fantasy. The backstop for the North which locks it in, is not happening.

Unless there is a backstop or legally binding arangement of equilivent effect then there will be no deal agreed with the UK, and the Prime Minister will be legally required to ask for an extension as a result.

FrancieBrady · 19-09-2019 11:28pm

cryptocurrency wrote: »

Fantasy. The backstop for the North which locks it in, is not happening.

Arlene is just home from a rhetoric softening trip to Dublin...it is they who are shifting position.

Kermit.de.frog · 19-09-2019 11:29pm

cryptocurrency wrote: »

Fantasy. The backstop for the North which locks it in, is not happening.

Sorry but it is.

We are already beyond just agri foods - now it's all manufactured goods and the electricity market according to Peter Foster and the Telegraph.

That gets more of the way there - by the 17th Oct it will be full customs union repackaged as special status for the north and it will be permanent (because it won't be a 'backstop')...that's what the glorious UK negotiators are delivering and they are to be commended for their incompetence in my humble opinion.

Even the Torygraph is not hiding it anymore because they don't care.

26000 Elephants · 19-09-2019 11:30pm

cryptocurrency wrote: »

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

It will apply to NI only which is all we wanted in the first place.

The backstop? The immovable backstop? or just a few token agri related things

You genuinely don't understand how any of this works, do you? While your reduction of the problem to a binary "Red or Blue" may give you some comfort in its familiarity, it completely misses what's actually going on.

Kermit.de.frog · 19-09-2019 11:39pm

https://twitter.com/BorderIrish/status/1174425477693526016

cryptocurrency · 19-09-2019 11:40pm

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Sorry but it is.

We are already beyond just agri foods - now it's all manufactured goods and the electricity market according to Peter Foster and the Telegraph.

That gets more of the way there - by the 17th Oct it will be full customs union repackaged as special status for the north and it will be permanent (because it won't be a 'backstop')...that's what the glorious UK negotiators are delivering and they are to be commended for their incompetence in my humble opinion.

Even the Torygraph is not hiding it anymore because they don't care.

The electricity market is just logical and under the green agenda would have been quickly offered up in a no deal. Not a concession in any way.

Manufacturing? So all stuff from Mainland UK is now subject to checks under this deal?

cryptocurrency · 19-09-2019 11:41pm

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

https://twitter.com/BorderIrish/status/1174425477693526016

Northern Irish-only solutions to the future of the border with the Irish Republic, provided they did not infringe the region’s constitutional status within the UK.

FrancieBrady · 19-09-2019 11:45pm

cryptocurrency wrote: »

Northern Irish-only solutions to the future of the border with the Irish Republic, provided they did not infringe the region’s constitutional status within the UK.

The backstop never did. Their own Attorney General stated that 2 years or more ago.

The DUP are back pedalling, the speed of that will increase. Jeffery was even extolling the virtues of All Ireland bodies.

What a climb down that was.

Will Britain ever just piss off and get on with Brexit? -mod warning in OP (21/12)

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