Will Britain ever just piss off and get on with Brexit? -mod warning in OP (21/12)

FrancieBrady

The UK are now completely disrespecting the process and the EU.

They are using the EU to sort out their own political system or rather to try and gain advantage within their own systems.

They know full well that what they are presenting is never going to fly.

Time to cut them lose, they are a rogue state imo and a cancer that will only harm everyone around them.

First Up

FrancieBrady wrote:

Time to cut them lose, they are a rogue state imo and a cancer that will only harm everyone around them.

Not a rogue state. They are a functioning democracy that has just made some bad decisions and big mistakes and is behaving very badly as a result.

But it is not the EU's role to pass judgement on members. The EU will deal with the consequences of the UK's decisions, as it does with the decisions of all members and other countries it deals with.

That's how it works; according to the rules and without emotion or taking it personally.

Danzy

There is nothing wrong with Brexit, thinking it can't be done without a deal is foolish though.

FrancieBrady

First Up wrote: »

Not a rogue state. They are a functioning democracy that has just made some bad decisions and big mistakes and is behaving very badly as a result.

But it is not the EU's role to pass judgement on members. The EU will deal with the consequences of the UK's decisions, as it does with the decisions of all members and other countries it deals with.

That's how it works; according to the rules and without emotion or taking it personally.

Coldly and clinically and without emotion then:

They are cynically using the rest of us in the EU to sort out their own problems - to the detriment of all of us, with regard to moving on and growing our own economies.

My point is, they know exactly what they are doing. And it should stop.

Calina

First Up wrote: »

FrancieBrady wrote:

Time to cut them lose, they are a rogue state imo and a cancer that will only harm everyone around them.

Not a rogue state. They are a functioning democracy that has just made some bad decisions and big mistakes and is behaving very badly as a result.

But it is not the EU's role to pass judgement on members. The EU will deal with the consequences of the UK's decisions, as it does with the decisions of all members and other countries it deals with.

That's how it works; according to the rules and without emotion or taking it personally.

I don't think they are anywhere close to being a fully functioning democracy atm.

Boggles

The majority of over 65s voted to leave.

In the event of a no deal or maybe even a deal there may be wide spread bankruptcies in the private care industry.

A turkey and Christmas springs to mind.

First Up

Calina wrote:

I don't think they are anywhere close to being a fully functioning democracy atm.

Some questionable stuff I agree but that doesn't make them a rogue state.

First Up

FrancieBrady wrote:

My point is, they know exactly what they are doing. And it should stop.

I wouldn't credit them with that. All signs they are running around like headless chickens.

Contrary to the rubbish we see here about an EU superstate, the evidence from Brexit shows how meticulous the EU is about respecting the decisions of member states.

All the EU is doing is dealing collectively with those decisions, good or bad. What goes on in the UK is its own affair.

FrancieBrady

First Up wrote: »

I wouldn't credit them with that. All signs they are running around like headless chickens.

A year ago maybe.

The knowledge about what is required is known by everyone with even the slightest interest.

The UK know exactly what is required and still presented a shambolic set of 'alternatives'.

In layman's terms they are 'taking the proverbial' with the sincere efforts of everybody else to find an accommodation.

Danzy

FrancieBrady wrote: »

A year ago maybe.

The knowledge about what is required is known by everyone with even the slightest interest.

The UK know exactly what is required and still presented a shambolic set of 'alternatives'.

In layman's terms they are 'taking the proverbial' with the sincere efforts of everybody else to find an accommodation.

The line about the last 3 days in October being more important than the last 3 years still stands.

Everything up to that has been internal politics and negotiation games from both sides.

Realistically the only option is continuity of open trade for both sides, that or deep recession for both.

While Britain would be harder it, the Euro zone economy is such a cluster **** that interest rates are now minus 0.5% and Qe of 20 billion a month, that's after years of strong global growth, unprecedented stimulus to hope for growth in a boom.

What happens if there is a slight global slow down. Which is long overdue.

Both sides have everything to lose from no deal

First Up

Danzy wrote:

Both sides have everything to lose from no deal

The EU has bigger issues than Brexit and a "good" Brexit won't fix them. The head of the German Industry Federation was in Dublin recently and he was clear the a US-China driven trade war is a far bigger concern and EU unity is essential in dealing with that. He also talked about global challenges for intellectual property and advances and collaboration in technology. Brexit is a nuisance and a distraction - that's all.

The UK is grossly overestimating its own significance and its understandable that some of that is reflected here.

But I can assure that industry, government and others across Europe are neither transfixed or intimidated by it.

RobMc59

FrancieBrady wrote: »

First Up wrote: »

I wouldn't credit them with that. All signs they are running around like headless chickens.

A year ago maybe.

The knowledge about what is required is known by everyone with even the slightest interest.

The UK know exactly what is required and still presented a shambolic set of 'alternatives'.

In layman's terms they are 'taking the proverbial' with the sincere efforts of everybody else to find an accommodation.

Your gloriously melodramatic portrait of the UK being a rogue state is entertaining but ultimately wide of the mark,although a mistake,wanting to leave the EU doesn't mean you're on a par with countries like Iran...

Danzy

First Up wrote: »

The EU has bigger issues than Brexit and a "good" Brexit won't fix them. The head of the German Industry Federation was in Dublin recently and he was clear the a US-China driven trade war is a far bigger concern and EU unity is essential in dealing with that. He also talked about global challenges for intellectual property and advances and collaboration in technology. Brexit is a nuisance and a distraction - that's all.

The UK is grossly overestimating its own significance and its understandable that some of that is reflected here.

But I can assure that industry, government and others across Europe are neither transfixed or intimidated by it.

The state of the Euro zone economy is a significant threat to the global economy.

FrancieBrady

RobMc59 wrote: »

Your gloriously melodramatic portrait of the UK being a rogue state is entertaining but ultimately wide of the mark,although a mistake,wanting to leave the EU doesn't mean you're on a par with countries like Iran...

Nothing melodramatic about it if you review the facts.

No parliament, the government in the Supreme Court and playing fast and lose with the EU in the full knowledge that what they are presenting is not up to requirements.

Padre_Pio

RobMc59 wrote: »

Your gloriously melodramatic portrait of the UK being a rogue state is entertaining but ultimately wide of the mark,although a mistake,wanting to leave the EU doesn't mean you're on a par with countries like Iran...

Leader of the government has suspended parliament to prevent oversight.

Does that make BJ a dictator?

Timberrrrrrrr

RobMc59 wrote: »

Your gloriously melodramatic portrait of the UK being a rogue state is entertaining but ultimately wide of the mark,although a mistake,wanting to leave the EU doesn't mean you're on a par with countries like Iran...

In Francies eyes the UK is worse than Iran and North Korea together.

FrancieBrady

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

In Francies eyes the UK is worse than Iran and North Korea together.

Time some of you guys grew up and faced up to the questions being asked here, and stop trying to divert to personal insult.

There is nothing normal about the state of the UK at the moment, and there is nothing normal about how they are treating the rest of the EU. Their last effort was straight from the rogue state handbook.

Timberrrrrrrr

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Time some of you guys grew up and faced up to the questions being asked here, and stop trying to divert to personal insult.

There is nothing normal about the state of the UK at the moment, and there is nothing normal about how they are treating the rest of the EU. Their last effort was straight from the rogue state handbook.

It wasn't an insult francie it's the truth.

Having a democratic vite/referendum and then following through on that decision, Looking after their interests and fighting for the best deal possible for the country and its peoples.

Yeah, sounds very "rogue" to me :rolleyes:


Face it, The UK could cancel Brexit tomorrow and donate 10 trillion pounds to poor countries and you would still be bitter towatds them, Jumping into every thread to bash "de brits" at every chance because you live in the past and have a deep held hattrd of everything British.

FrancieBrady

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

It wasn't an insult francie it's the truth.

Having a democratic vite/referendum and then following through on that decision, Looking after their interests and fighting for the best deal possible for the country and its peoples.

Yeah, sounds very "rogue" to me :rolleyes:


Face it, The UK could cancel Brexit tomorrow and donate 10 trillion pounds to poor countries and you would still be bitter towatds them, Jumping into every thread to bash "de brits" at every chance because you live in the past and have a deep held hattrd of everything British.

We will ignore the fact that you jump in to every thread about the UK with this same cringe inducing defence of attacking a poster who is critical.

The UK are not being sincere. Every fool on the street knows after 3 years what is required and STILL they play fast and loose, knowing they are just stalling for time so that they can sort internal chaos.

RobMc59

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

RobMc59 wrote: »

Your gloriously melodramatic portrait of the UK being a rogue state is entertaining but ultimately wide of the mark,although a mistake,wanting to leave the EU doesn't mean you're on a par with countries like Iran...

In Francies eyes the UK is worse than Iran and North Korea together.

Wait till England play in the rugby world cup,the anti UK rhetoric will be cranked up even more-if that's possible !

FrancieBrady

RobMc59 wrote: »

Wait till England play in the rugby world cup,the anti UK rhetoric will be cranked up even more-if that's possible !

Now attempt to bring your offended siege mentality into another thread. :rolleyes:

Have to say, it is fascinating to see who you guys think you are being compared to...Iran and North Korea???


You are showing a rather insecure sensitivity atm, no doubt.

First Up

Danzy wrote: »

The state of the Euro zone economy is a significant threat to the global economy.

All economies are cyclical. The Eurozone has a diverse mix; that was known when it was created. It is a long term process towards convergence but even now is still stronger as a whole than the sum of its parts. It is much better equipped to withstand shocks than smaller national economies - as the UK will find out.

mattser

RobMc59 wrote: »

Wait till England play in the rugby world cup,the anti UK rhetoric will be cranked up even more-if that's possible !

Former winners of course. I'd love to see ourselves or themselves do it this time.

Timberrrrrrrr

FrancieBrady wrote: »

We will ignore the fact that you jump in to every thread about the UK with this same cringe inducing defence of attacking a poster who is critical.

Lol at you playing the "poor me" defence as usual, no one is "attacking" you francie I'm pointing iut your constant vitriol towards the British people at every chance you get.

The UK are not being sincere. Every fool on the street knows after 3 years what is required and STILL they play fast and loose, knowing they are just stalling for time so that they can sort internal chaos.

Jaysus francie you make it sound lime the place is falling apart and people are starving in the streets.

Fwiw i nevwr voted leave but the decisiin was made and for better or worse there's a high possibility that it will happen. I don't envisage the chaos that you and others perceive to be coming because i honestly think that whayever happens the UK will plod along just fine.

There will be job losses for sure at 1st and maybe even a slight recession but i reckon within 3/5 years (a short time in the grand scheme of things) the country will.bounce back.

Timberrrrrrrr

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Now attempt to bring your offended siege mentality into another thread. :rolleyes:

Have to say, it is fascinating to see who you guys think you are being compared to...Iran and North Korea???


You are showing a rather insecure sensitivity atm, no doubt.

Well you said they are acting like a "rogue state", care to mention which one you are comparing them to?

Danzy

First Up wrote: »

All economies are cyclical. The Eurozone has a diverse mix; that was known when it was created. It is a long term process towards convergence but even now is still stronger as a whole than the sum of its parts. It is much better equipped to withstand shocks than smaller national economies - as the UK will find out.

The state of the Eurozone economy is a major concern for even those who founded it and are passionate for the EU.

12 years ago the Eurozone and U.S. economy were of a similar size. Now the US is about 50% bigger and that gap is widening each year.

That is more than cyclical.

It is withstanding and weathering through strong periods of global demand and growth that is causing them to act to unprecedented levels.

Nevermind shocks.

FrancieBrady

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

Well you said they are acting like a "rogue state", care to mention which one you are comparing them to?

Within the EU they are rogue atm.



Hopefully you don't feel too silly after revealing your own insecurity. Frequently happens when you rashly lash out.

North Korea?...jaysus!

20Wheel

Danzy wrote: »

The state of the Eurozone economy is a major concern for even those who founded it and are passionate for the EU.

12 years ago the Eurozone and U.S. economy were of a similar size. Now the US is about 50% bigger and that gap is widening each year.

That is more than cyclical.

It is withstanding and weathering through strong periods of global demand and growth that is causing them to act to unprecedented levels.

Nevermind shocks.

the eu wasnt formed with the us in mind.
my neighbor buying a new car doesnt mean im financially doomed for not being able to do the same.

davedanon

Danzy wrote: »

The state of the Eurozone economy

You keep referring to the Eurozone economy, instead of the EU.


Why is that, I wonder?


Would it be because the EU economy as a whole is almost as big as the US?

Timberrrrrrrr

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Within the EU they are rogue atm.

So having a democratic vote and following through on the reulst is considered "rogue" in your eyes?

Were Denmark a "rogue" state when they voted no in the Maastricht treaty? Or Ireland on Nice and Lisbon treaties?

Hopefully you don't feel too silly after revealing your own insecurity. Frequently happens when you rashly lash out.

North Korea?...jaysus!

Ah so you're not comparing them to actual "rogue" states you have just decided that is the label you will use as another Brit bashing stick :rolleyes: