Will Britain ever just piss off and get on with Brexit? -mod warning in OP (21/12)

blinding

KildareP wrote: »

The EU can't "push out" the UK.
The UK can request an extension and the EU can grant it.
But it can't push the UK out (nor can it keep the UK in, if the UK do nothing between now and October 31st then it automatically crashes out).
Make no mistake, the extensions are as much to benefit the EU as any perceived UK benefit. Remember - no deal prep did not stop in the EU despite the UK doing so.

Once the balance tips where it is no longer beneficial for the EU to grant extensions, it won't. The perception seems to be that time is near and should the UK seek another extension come October, it will be declined.

Good .

B0jangles

blinding wrote: »

The Brits are not nearly as daft as you think . They were not stupid enough to Join the Euro and are delighted that they did not join the Euro . Even your Rabid Eu-ers in Britain never now mention that they were all in favour of joining the Euro . You’d think they were never in favour of it now . Funnily enough these Gobdaws that were in favour of joining the Euro are the same Gobdaw Re-Mainiacs now .

The Brits are buying time for Brexit . How come Leo and Company don’t push them out ? Didn’t Macron do some mouthing but ran away and hid from the yellow vests instead .:D

I do not see how any of this has to do with the questions I asked.

blinding

rob316 wrote: »

Why not? The British public who voted to leave can see they were sold a pup, I for one would like the opportunity to rectify that.

Been subjected to nazi party levels of propaganda isn't democratic. Free speech sure but flat out lies is exactly that, propaganda.

Calling the re-Mainiacs Nazis is pushing it but I can see where you are coming from ! The real Nazis did come from Central Europe mind . Not always easy to work out who is going to become the Nazis until they become the Nazis . In earlier chat today we found out that the Real Nazis had roots in the German Workers party = go figure . They also were trying to attract Socialists with their National Socialist moniker !:eek:

B0jangles

Ok, so you're just shouting whatever comes into your head, no actual relevance necessary.

rob316

blinding wrote: »

Calling the re-Mainiacs Nazis is pushing it but I can see where you are coming from ! The real Nazis did come from Central Europe mind . Not always easy to work out who is going to become the Nazis until they become the Nazis . In earlier chat today we found out that the Real Nazis had roots in the German Workers party = go figure . They also were trying to attract Socialists with their National Socialist moniker !:eek:

What has this got to do with anything

blinding

rob316 wrote: »

Why not? The British public who voted to leave can see they were sold a pup, I for one would like the opportunity to rectify that.

Been subjected to nazi party levels of propaganda isn't democratic. Free speech sure but flat out lies is exactly that, propaganda.

There is no way that MPs that promised to respect One Referendum should be allowed to call another now without the Electorate giving their judgment on those MPs .

It ain’t happening . The Tories will deliver brexit or their will be a General Election .

The British are not Eu Lapdogs .

kunst nugget

B0jangles wrote: »

Ok, so you're just shouting whatever comes into your head, no actual relevance necessary.

rob316 wrote: »

What has this got to do with anything

Exactly. We're the bigger idiots for engaging with him.

FrancieBrady

blinding wrote: »

The British are not Eu Lapdogs .

Like us, the British are the EU at the moment. Whenever they are brave enough to actually leave then they won't be.

Seathrun66

blinding wrote: »

There is no way that MPs that promised to respect One Referendum should be allowed to call another now without the Electorate giving their judgment on those MPs .

It ain’t happening . The Tories will deliver brexit or their will be a General Election .

The British are not Eu Lapdogs .

Not yet. Give it two years when they re-enter the EU under imposed conditions.

FrancieBrady

kunst nugget wrote: »

Exactly. We're the bigger idiots for engaging with him.

It is fun to reveal these people. The louder they have to shout the more they reveal their lack of knowledge. Funny stuff.

KildareP

blinding wrote: »

Nonsense . Didn’t they close some port in Wexford recently . If you think you can magic up this capacity ‘just like that ‘ then you are fooling yourself .

What about drop offs in Britain and the drop off / collections on the way back from Europe . I am not saying the Brits will do it but they could by Geography Buckle the 26 Counties .

How long will it take these ferries from Ireland to Europe . Don’t even mention the Weather :eek::eek::eek:

Irish Ferries stopped sailing out of Wexford to focus operations on Dublin.
Now where does most of our freight pass through..... (bar Cork )

Irish Ferries also have a new ferry on order, having just taken delivery of a new one, as well as replacing their fast craft with one not much newer than the one it replaced but with a slower cruising speed and a much longer range. Why would they do that? Cruising time is about 18 hours Dublin to Cherbourg overnight and you can include the ferry crossing as the rest period, unlike landbridge, where you'll spend the working day driving across the UK and still have to rest up overnight anyway, before you arrive in the same place the ferry would have gotten you on an overnight alone (and fully rested up).

The MV Celine and MV Laureline, amongst the largest drive-on freighters in the world, have both done operational tests in Dublin Port in the last year.

rob316

What I'm getting here is, the big bad EU won't let the UK leave, right?

That's why they have asked for numerous extensions.

Maybe they are holding the other countries hostage too who want to leave?

FrancieBrady

KildareP wrote: »

Irish Ferries stopped sailing out of Wexford to focus operations on Dublin.
Now where does most of our freight pass through..... (bar Cork )

Irish Ferries also have a new ferry on order, having just taken delivery of a new one, as well as replacing their fast craft with one not much newer than the one it replaced but with a slower cruising speed and a much longer range. Why would they do that? Cruising time is about 18 hours Dublin to Cherbourg overnight and you can include the ferry crossing as the rest period, unlike landbridge, where you'll spend the working day driving across the UK and still have to rest up overnight anyway, before you arrive in the same place the ferry would have gotten you on an overnight alone (and fully rested up).

The MV Celine and MV Laureline, amongst the largest drive-on freighters in the world, have both done operational tests in Dublin Port in the last year.

Now don't be bringing any of them auld facts into blindings world. Britannia still rules the waves...sure couldn't they blockade them ferries with their new aircraft carriers or nuke them with their submarines?

steddyeddy

blinding wrote: »

Thats a perfectly good Link and another poster has also posted other Links .

Take those Eu Blinkers off . Britain is going to Brexit .

Why isn’t Leo or anyone else pushing them out the door . What is wrong with the Eu . Does it really need that British £ 39 billion that much ?:eek::eek::eek:

This get said repeatedly. No one is disagreeing with you! Britain is leaving the EU. What people are saying in relation to the point you raised isn't that Britain's not leaving, it's that what you're saying will likely not happen. What a lot of Brexiters said will not happen, what a lot of remainers warned about Brexit will happen.

Britain will be substantially poorer post Brexit, it won't likely be Britain anymore, just England and Wales and it's already in a much weaker position.

The UK is still in the EU because they have begged to stay in, seeking extension after extension while all the while fighting amongst themselves like children.

Franz Von Peppercorn II

blinding wrote: »

Well , The Irish Love an Empire .

So many down on their knees to the British Empire and the Catholic Church Empire . There is something about Irish People that Love to Worship an Empire .

Historically we fought against the British empire. Every generation pretty much. We were one of the first to leave.

Franz Von Peppercorn II

storker wrote: »

Having followed thus discussion for a while, I've come to the conclusion that it's for the same reason he keeps trotting out the word "lapdog"; his posts are much less about making a serious argument (as if!) in favour of the case for Brexit, or that the EU is fundamentally undemocratic, than they are about winding up his interlocutors. It's the debating equivalent of a twelve-year-old opening his mouth and showing off his chewed food. It's all about the reaction.

Lest I incur the mods' wrath for shouting "Troll!" (which I don't tend to do), I would stress that I'm not claiming this as a fact, just my own conclusion; a conclusion that has been honestly arrived at and which seems to me to be unavoidable.

We could report the posts I suppose. The use of 26 counties is to my mind a troll.

knipex

blinding wrote: »

Amazing how no one in the Eu is Pushing them Out . The Eu must really need that £39 billion;):p;)

Lets try this again

The EU cannot force the UK to leave, only the UK can do that. They can refuse an extension if one is asked for, which I suspect they will do unless its specifically requested to allow for an election or a rerun of the referendum so that the UK parliament (note I said the UK not the EU) can actually come to some agreement as to what they want to do.

The EU cannot force the UK to stay. They cannot even force an extension. Only the UK can revoke article 50 and only they can request an extension..

storker

Franz Von Peppercorn II wrote: »

We could report the posts I suppose. The use of 26 counties is to my mind a troll.

I've never reported a post, on any site, and if I ever do it'll be because of something serious, not because of some jester capering about uttering his inanities that give every appearance of coming straight from the Daily Mail's comments sections.

(But I agree otherwise.)

knipex

blinding wrote: »

I actually follow politics and heard Jeremy say that he had delivered the £350 million for the NHS . Maybe you should try actually try following politics if you are going to comment on it .

Jeremy and Boris both say a lot of things, doesn't mean it actually happened.

Oct 2017 budget for Department of Health including NHS for 2017 / 2018

£124.7 Billion

Oct 2018 Budget for Department of Health including NHS for 2018 / 2019

£123.3 Billion

So. Your wrong, the NHS budget hasn't gone up by 350 million a week.

boege

If you really want to understand the dynamics and politics of the UK-EU relationship, see the graph below from a UK source.

Most countries in EU need or want access to the UK market. Ireland is a net importer. Now try predict who the EU will favour when the need arises.

knipex

blinding wrote: »

How long will Leo survive as Taoiseach if the Brits decide to play hardball with the 26 Counties . .

I assume you mean the Republic of Ireland ?

You claim to be Irish yet you deny the existence of the Republic which would normally lead me to believe you were one of the republican extremists. But you idolize Nigel and Ann, deplore the EU which would lead me to believe you are a BNP \ Brexit \ UKIP er.

So I can only conclude your a troll..

FrancieBrady

boege wrote: »

If you really want to understand the dynamics and politics of the UK-EU relationship, see the graph below from a UK source.

Most countries in EU need or want access to the UK market. Ireland is a net importer. Now try predict who the EU will favour when the need arises.

Can you predict when this is gonna happen? Just so that we can be ready like.

Franz Von Peppercorn II

boege wrote: »

If you really want to understand the dynamics and politics of the UK-EU relationship, see the graph below from a UK source.

Most countries in EU need or want access to the UK market. Ireland is a net importer. Now try predict who the EU will favour when the need arises.

<SNIP>

Trade deals are reciprocal so not getting that argument at all. Are you saying they will negotiate with Britain to allow EU imports into the U.K. but not U.K. imports into the EU. Or what?

jimmycrackcorm

blinding wrote: »

If the Brits really wanted to they could have Leo sliding up that Bannister at number 10 Downing Street .

The Eu did not make much of an effort on Catalonia . They actually fooked the Scots on Scotland membership of the Eu in the Scottish Independence Referendum . Lets see how it plays out but little beasts tend to get trampled on when big beasts have a rumble .

One thing for sure is Leo Varakar is not up to much .

Catalonia and Scotland are poor comparisons, they are both just autonomous regions within an EU member country.

If it comes to putting pressure on Ireland, it's pretty clear that the state of affairs in the UK will be disastrous at that point. They'll be more concerned about their own affairs and the backstop is actually a UK issue because of the mess they've made with NI

boege

Franz Von Peppercorn II wrote: »

Trade deals are reciprocal so not getting that argument at all. Are you saying they will negotiate with Britain to allow EU imports into the U.K. but not U.K. imports into the EU. Or what?

Of course not.

I believe the EU will reopen negotiations to get a bilateral trade deal. Backstops and any other Irish protections will be back on the table. It is a economic inevitability due to the surplus of trade enjoyed by so many individual EU countries with the UK. It is these individual economic interests that will prevail.

First Up

boege wrote:

I believe the EU will reopen negotiations to get a bilateral trade deal. Backstops and any other Irish protections will be back on the table. It is a economic inevitability due to the surplus of trade enjoyed by so many individual EU countries with the UK. It is these individual economic interests that will prevail.

For the UK's sake I hope the trade negotiators they are digging out of retirement or hiring from New Zealand and elsewhere have a better grasp of the subtelties of international trade than you demonstrate here.

Franz Von Peppercorn II

boege wrote: »

Of course not.

I believe the EU will reopen negotiations to get a bilateral trade deal. Backstops and any other Irish protections will be back on the table. It is a economic inevitability due to the surplus of trade enjoyed by so many individual EU countries with the UK. It is these individual economic interests that will prevail.

These inevitable deals have been promised for the last 3 years and here we are.

Dog Man Star

Brexit has been a monumental mistake for the British. The ones hurt the most will be the ones who voted against it, namely the Scottish and Northern Irish.

I cannot imagine the worry of being a Northern Irish farmer with quality beef ready to sell have the rug pulled from under them, and with a family to support. It is a tragic misstep, voted by people who didn't consider anything nor anybody before voting, just being swept away on a wave of islamophobia. Vote to leave the EU and no more crazy muslims blowing themselves up. Ridiculous scare-mongering. My wife's father is from Newcastle and voted for Brexit because he didn't like the Burkha. My wife's sister voted for Brexit because she didn't like the Euro. A total nonsense.

Most ironic is that one of the London Bridge murderers got into the UK via Ireland. He married an Irish woman. Yet, there is little focus on blocking illegal entry that way.

A monumental misstep that will set the UK back for decades.

Oops69

Anne Widecombe at the parliament yesterday ..... even Nigel Farage looked 'scarlet for her '

Oops69

Dog Man Star wrote: »

Brexit has been a monumental mistake for the British. The ones hurt the most will be the ones who voted against it, namely the Scottish and Northern Irish.

I cannot imagine the worry of being a Northern Irish farmer with quality beef ready to sell have the rug pulled from under them, and with a family to support. It is a tragic misstep, voted by people who didn't consider anything nor anybody before voting, just being swept away on a wave of islamophobia. Vote to leave the EU and no more crazy muslims blowing themselves up. Ridiculous scare-mongering. My wife's father is from Newcastle and voted for Brexit because he didn't like the Burkha. My wife's sister voted for Brexit because she didn't like the Euro. A total nonsense.

Most ironic is that one of the London Bridge murderers got into the UK via Ireland. He married an Irish woman. Yet, there is little focus on blocking illegal entry that way.

A monumental misstep that will set the UK back for decades.

I'd say you really look forward to deep political discussions with your wife's family .lol .